Why is Padre Pio so popular.

credoie

47 years since Padre Pio died today and he is still as Popular as ever. I always find it strange the devotion that some Catholics have to him.. yet they won't go to weekly mass.

NIMAN

I know there are some people that are meant to have been saved by his mitts, I know my mother swears on it!

She often forgets though the majority of people who got his mitts but still died, so not sure you can say PP says those people or not?

credoie

NIMAN wrote: »

I know there are some people that are meant to have been saved by his mitts, I know my mother swears on it!

She often forgets though the majority of people who got his mitts but still died, so not sure you can say PP says those people or not?

We all die sooner or late. I saw a Priest once heal a person with a relic of Padre Pio.

Personally the only Miracle I have seen was a picture of John Paul II & V Mary that I managed to put on his tomb a month after he did. A local priest asked to have it for a boy who had gone into a coma after an accident. He later woke up and the relic has been doing the rounds ever since. There isn't anything medically verifiable about this, but the family believe it helped.

At the end of the day, Christ did say we could move mountains IF we had faith.

hinault

credoie wrote: »

47 years since Padre Pio died today and he is still as Popular as ever. I always find it strange the devotion that some Catholics have to him.. yet they won't go to weekly mass.

Saint (Padre) Pio does enjoy an enormous devotional following here and in many other countries.

I've heard many accounts of how relics such as his mitts have helped cure people.

I've read several interesting accounts of those who attended Mass said by Padre Pio when he was alive at San Giovanni.

Like you, I'd prefer to see people attend Mass as well as their devotion to St.Pio.

credoie

hinault wrote: »

Saint (Padre) Pio does enjoy an enormous devotional following here and in many other countries.

I've heard many accounts of how relics such as his mitts have helped cure people.

I've read several interesting accounts of those who attended Mass said by Padre Pio when he was alive at San Giovanni.

Like you, I'd prefer to see people attend Mass as well as their devotion to St.Pio.

The Vatican didn't like him much for years. I always found his accounts of the souls in purgatory interesting.

Delirium

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Presumably the designation Catholic emphasises the point that Padre Pio is a saint of the Catholic church.

katydid

credoie wrote: »

47 years since Padre Pio died today and he is still as Popular as ever. .

Is he?

katydid

hinault wrote: »

Presumably the designation Catholic emphasises the point that Padre Pio is a saint of the Catholic church.

But he's not. He's a saint of the ROMAN Catholic church.

There's another thread where you can disagree with me on this...

uck51js9zml2yt

Another example of how the Roman Catholic church has changed the definition of a saint.
The new testament refers again and again to the saints in the city/group after which the letter is named.
It suggests they are living breathing people,"called out ones" . Not someone who had died and been titled by a man in a white suit.

Peregrinus

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

Another example of how the Roman Catholic church has changed the definition of a saint.
The new testament refers again and again to the saints in the city/group after which the letter is named.
It suggests they are living breathing people,"called out ones" . Not someone who had died and been titled by a man in a white suit.

Are you suggesting that people cease to be saints when they die?

uck51js9zml2yt

Peregrinus wrote: »

Are you suggesting that people cease to be saints when they die?

Quiet the opposite. They don't become saints when they die.
If you're a part of the true Church of Jesus Christ then scripture is clear. You're a saint in life first.
Going through a process and getting titles conferred on you culminating in the title of saint doesn't make make you anything other then someone with a title conferred on them.

Peregrinus

Oh, sure. But the church doesn't claim that its action makes you a saint. Its action recognises your saintliness, established by the heroic virtue you have demonstrated in your life. And the church doesn't claim that those who it has canonised are the only saints. In fact most the saints that are recognised by Christians have never been formally canonised, starting with Mary.

hinault

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

Another example of how the Roman Catholic church has changed the definition of a saint.
The new testament refers again and again to the saints in the city/group after which the letter is named.
It suggests they are living breathing people,"called out ones" . Not someone who had died and been titled by a man in a white suit.

One doesn't have to be canonised to be a saint. Canonisation is the official recognition by the institutional church as to the saintliness of souls.

And this emphasis on the New Testament appears to ignore the many saints described in the Old Testament.

katydid

hinault wrote: »

One doesn't have to be canonised to be a saint. Canonisation is the official recognition by the institutional church as to the saintliness of souls.

And this emphasis on the New Testament appears to ignore the many saints described in the Old Testament.

But canonisation is a joke, because it claims that souls were saintly that weren't. Look at the canonisation of JP11, for example. A man who totally disrespected women, and promoted and gave patronage to a child abuser! How can anyone take canonisation seriously?

uck51js9zml2yt

hinault wrote: »

One doesn't have to be canonised to be a saint. Canonisation is the official recognition by the institutional church as to the saintliness of souls.

And this emphasis on the New Testament appears to ignore the many saints described in the Old Testament.

Tell the Vatican that. Of course they must be beatified first and be approved by a council.

I've no problem recognising the " called out ones" of both the Old & New Testaments as I'm also among that number.

credoie

hinault wrote: »

Presumably the designation Catholic emphasises the point that Padre Pio is a saint of the Catholic church.

Exactly..

credoie

katydid wrote: »

But canonisation is a joke, because it claims that souls were saintly that weren't. Look at the canonisation of JP11, for example. A man who totally disrespected women, and promoted and gave patronage to a child abuser! How can anyone take canonisation seriously?

If you want to abuse our Catholics saints. Then open your own thread please. thanks!.

hinault

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

Tell the Vatican that. Of course they must be beatified first and be approved by a council.

I'm not the one here who has difficulty with what the Vatican does regarding canonisation.

uck51js9zml2yt

credoie wrote: »

If you want to abuse our Catholics saints. Then open your own thread please. thanks!.

There we go again."catholic saints". What made him a saint? Where is the justification for praying to the dead.
The biblical response is to call it necromancy.
It also ignores the point that there is only one mediator between God and men. But since when has the Roman Catholic church believed the bible over its own doctrine.
It's not so long ago that it persecuted those who dared believe God.

hinault

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

There we go again."catholic saints". What made him a saint? Where is the justification for praying to the dead.
The biblical response is to call it necromancy.
It also ignores the point that there is only one mediator between God and men. But since when has the Roman Catholic church believed the bible over its own doctrine.
It's not so long ago that it persecuted those who dared believe God.

You don't recognise that Padre Pio is a saint?

Why?

rockatansky

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credoie

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

There we go again."catholic saints". What made him a saint? Where is the justification for praying to the dead.
The biblical response is to call it necromancy.
It also ignores the point that there is only one mediator between God and men. But since when has the Roman Catholic church believed the bible over its own doctrine.
It's not so long ago that it persecuted those who dared believe God.

Bible over its own doctrine?? Who were the custodians of the Word of God? The bible did drop from heaven, it was written by members of the church inspired by God. Once you remove the bible from the church and only believe in the written text you forget the entirety of faith.

The bible is the word of God, but its not the exhaustive repository of our faith. God never said that he would give us a written text in which we were solely and only to believe. Where is "sola Scriptura" written in the bible?

LordSutch

Well I'm not going to say anything bad about the Pope of Padre Pio, but what exactly does Padre Pio do when you pray to him? ...also, what's the story about bits of him (relics) going on tour, so people can pray, to the relics? is this correct?

Sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick, but that's how I perceive the practice.

Please enlighten me if I'm incorrect in my understanding above^.

credoie

LordSutch wrote: »

Well I'm not going to say anything bad about the Pope of Padre Pio, but what exactly does Padre Pio do when you pray to him? ...also, what's the story about bits of him (relics) going on tour, so people can pray, to the relics?

Sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick, but that's how I perceive the practice.

Please enlighten me if I'm incorrect in my understanding above^.

He can't DO anything. Nor can any of the saints. They can ask God to do something however. Only God can heal and cure, nobody else.

LordSutch

Thanks; So you ask Padre Pio to talk to God on your behalf?

uck51js9zml2yt

credoie wrote: »

Bible over its own doctrine?? Who were the custodians of the Word of God? The bible did drop from heaven, it was written by members of the church inspired by God. Once you remove the bible from the church and only believe in the written text you forget the entirety of faith.

The bible is the word of God, but its not the exhaustive repository of our faith. God never said that he would give us a written text in which we were solely and only to believe. Where is "sola Scriptura" written in the bible?

Scripture is the inspired word of God. It's has the final say in how we are to govern our lives. It even contains a warning to those who would add to or take away from it. A warning that the Roman Catholic church ignored and put people to death for not only believing it but possessing a copy.

credoie

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

Scripture is the inspired word of God. It's has the final say in how we are to govern our lives. It even contains a warning to those who would add to or take away from it. A warning that the Roman Catholic church ignored and put people to death for not only believing it but possessing a copy.

It's has the final say in how we are to govern our lives. Where is that written in the Bible??

uck51js9zml2yt

credoie wrote: »

It's has the final say in how we are to govern our lives. Where is that written in the Bible??

If you were to read it rather than your. Cathecism you could see for yourself.
It's quiet clear on its origins. It's also quiet clear on its judgement on those who thinks they can add to it.

credoie

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

If you were to read it rather than your. Cathecism you could see for yourself.
It's quiet clear on its origins. It's also quiet clear on its judgement on those who thinks they can add to it.

Sorry. honestly where does it say what you are claiming in the sacred Scriptures?

hinault

LordSutch wrote: »

Thanks; So you ask Padre Pio to talk to God on your behalf?

The gospel tells of how on behalf of others, Mary and the Apostles, asked Jesus for help.

The wedding feast of Cana being one example.

uck51js9zml2yt

hinault wrote: »

The gospel tells of how on behalf of others, Mary and the Apostles, asked Jesus for help.

The wedding feast of Cana being one example.

And He told her where to go. The truth was that He did the things His Father told him, as He says Himself.


As for where in scripture. 1timothy says its inspired. Revelation speaks of those who add to or take away from Scripture.

hinault

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

And He told her where to go..

Incorrect.

I don't know what version of John's gospel Luther's bible contains that you're reading.

2:1 And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee: and the mother of Jesus was there.

2:2 And Jesus also was invited, and his disciples, to the marriage.

2:3 And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine.

2:4 And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come.

2:5 His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.

2:6 Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three measures apiece.


2:7 Jesus saith to them: Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.

2:8 And Jesus saith to them: Draw out now, and carry to the chief steward of the feast. And they carried it.

2:9 And when the chief steward had tasted the water made wine, and knew not whence it was, but the waiters knew who had drawn the water; the chief steward calleth the bridegroom,

2:10 And saith to him: Every man at first setteth forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse. But thou hast kept the good wine until now.

2:11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee; and manifested his glory, and his disciples believed in him

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

Revelation speaks of those who add to or take away from Scripture.

Like Martin Luther did.:rolleyes:

credoie

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

And He told her where to go. The truth was that He did the things His Father told him, as He says Himself.


As for where in scripture. 1timothy says its inspired. Revelation speaks of those who add to or take away from Scripture.

There does it say in the bible we should ONLY believe what is written in the bible and nothing else?

riffmongous

So is this a thread about Padre Pio or not?

hinault

riffmongous wrote: »

So is this a thread about Padre Pio or not?

The protestants and atheists here appear to want to discuss the properties of catholic sainthood instead :rolleyes:

credoie

riffmongous wrote: »

So is this a thread about Padre Pio or not?

After 7 days I have come to see boards.ie as an enormous disappointment and waste of time.

uck51js9zml2yt

hinault wrote: »

The protestants and atheists here appear to want to discuss the properties of catholic sainthood instead :rolleyes:

How often do I need to say it.I'm not a Protestant.

uck51js9zml2yt

credoie wrote: »

After 7 days I have come to see boards.ie as an enormous disappointment and waste of time.

If your Motive in joining was to propagate RC doctrine in the belief of not being challenged then perhaps an RC forum would be better for you.

katydid

credoie wrote: »

After 7 days I have come to see boards.ie as an enormous disappointment and waste of time.

In life, conversations have a habit of taking their own course. If you can't handle that...

In any case, what is there to say about Padre Pio? Not much, really, or we'd be still talking about him.

katydid

hinault wrote: »

The gospel tells of how on behalf of others, Mary and the Apostles, asked Jesus for help.

The wedding feast of Cana being one example.

As one living person to another.

riffmongous

katydid wrote: »

In life, conversations have a habit of taking their own course. If you can't handle that...

In any case, what is there to say about Padre Pio? Not much, really, or we'd be still talking about him.

In fairness katy I think the thread was derailed on purpose from a discussion on Padre Pio to focusing on RC practices, right around post number 10

katydid

riffmongous wrote: »

In fairness katy I think the thread was derailed on purpose from a discussion on Padre Pio to focusing on RC practices, right around post number 10

Yeah, but wouldn't go off in another direction if there was much interest in discussing Padre Pio beyond ten posts.

hinault

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

How often do I need to say it.I'm not a Protestant.

Of course you are.

hinault

Jessica Rapping Striker wrote: »

If your Motive in joining was to propagate RC doctrine in the belief of not being challenged then perhaps an RC forum would be better for you.

Sounds like you're trying to shout the odds there.

Delirium

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