Mary Mitchell O'Connor's "education" posters

rrrrrrrr

What do people think of the hundreds of posters, currently on every lamp post in Dun Laoghaire, featuring Mary Mitchel O'Connor?

They are supposedly promoting a public meeting about education last Thursday, but they're for all the world like election posters, which of course they couldn't bem as that would be illegal and incur a fine of €150 each.

While Mary's photo and name are clearly on display, the bit about the education meeting is in blue font on a blue background, which you hardly notice driving by..

Bit cheeky?

dandyelevan

rrrrrrrr wrote: »

What do people think of the hundreds of posters, currently on every lamp post in Dun Laoghaire, featuring Mary Mitchel O'Connor?

They are supposedly promoting a public meeting about education last Thursday, but they're for all the world like election posters, which of course they couldn't bem as that would be illegal and incur a fine of €150 each.

While Mary's photo and name are clearly on display, the bit about the education meeting is in blue font on a blue background, which you hardly notice driving by..

Bit cheeky?

The same Mary who drove down the steps of the Dail ?

Artdeco30

Saw these yesterday - they were everywhere and as the first poster on the thread said, virtually indistinguishable from election posters. I wonder if it is in response to Councillor Maria Bailey's posters about a migraine meeting in the same constituency? A lot of politicians are doing this poster nonsense - Paul Murphy had Donnybrook postered about a meeting during the marriage referendum and Senator Mary White was advertising a Mount Merrion meeting about inheritance tax in August.

Does this mean there is no prohibition on putting up any type of poster except an election poster? Could someone advertise their business in this way, for example?

Tabnabs

The excuse I've heard is that (a) it keeps the print industry busy and (b) sure aren't we lucky to have free speech and democracy to allow these wonderful posters to hang freely and unmolested.

I suspect there's a loophole to allow this BS to be put up. It should be closed off at the first opportunity.

Artdeco30

Just noticed a mistake in my previous thread - it was Eoin Murphy who had Donnybrook plastered with posters about a public meeting during the marriage ref.

Riskymove

Tabnabs wrote: »

I suspect there's a loophole to allow this BS to be put up. It should be closed off at the first opportunity.

As I understand it once the posters don't mention voting it doesn't fall under the laws around election posters

tbh I have seen similar from all shades of politicians

Riskymove

Artdeco30 wrote: »

Does this mean there is no prohibition on putting up any type of poster except an election poster? Could someone advertise their business in this way, for example?

I presume the same rules apply to those for temporary posters advertising an event (5k Runs, Protests against Water Charges, etc.)

nice_guy80

Is this the same woman who advocated closing small schools??

and advocates the continues state subvention of fee paying schools???

Godge

Ruth Coppinger ones up all over Dublin 15 advertising meetings.

What is really bad about them is that quite a lot of them are below the minimum legal height.

voter1983

Surely this is a litter matter?

Seth Brundle

I spoke with one of the litter wardens in a local authority a few years back.
Apparently if it is for a public event, it can stay up. If it is a political canvassing poster, it comes down.
Make what you wish but that apparently is the logic being followed.

the groutch

does the 7 day rule apply like with election posters?

ted1

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Is this the same woman who advocated closing small schools??

and advocates the continues state subvention of fee paying schools???

Fee paying schools receive less funding than public schools as they look after their own maintenance. Take away the subventions and the school will change to public and end is costing the state more. So she's correct

Fred Swanson

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Hotblack Desiato

ted1 wrote: »

Fee paying schools receive less funding than public schools as they look after their own maintenance. Take away the subventions and the school will change to public and end is costing the state more. So she's correct

Worth it to put an end to inherited privilege. If you want schools for snobs, don't take taxpayers' money.

ted1

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Worth it to put an end to inherited privilege. If you want schools for snobs, don't take taxpayers' money.

That's pure rubbishand you come across as someone who has a severe chip on your shoulder , some parents spend their money on cigarettes , some on holidays, some on new cars , some on semi private education for their kids.
As I pointed out earlier the kids education is costing less than it does in a fully public school. But I guess facts don't suit your agenda.

nice_guy80

ted1 wrote: »

Fee paying schools receive less funding than public schools as they look after their own maintenance. Take away the subventions and the school will change to public and end is costing the state more. So she's correct

We've had this dicussion before.
Private Education should not be subsidised.

It's either private or not.

ted1

nice_guy80 wrote: »

We've had this dicussion before.
Private Education should not be subsidised.

It's either private or not.

It's semi private, why shouldn't it? Do the parents not pay taxes too?

nice_guy80

ted1 wrote: »

It's semi private, why shouldn't it? Do the parents not pay taxes too?

They can send their children to non private schools. They are not forced to make that decision.


they make the choice, they should have to pay for the full cost of their children's private education (as in most countries)

ted1

nice_guy80 wrote: »

They can send their children to non private schools. They are not forced to make that decision.


they make the choice, they should have to pay for the full cost of their children's private education (as in most countries)

They pay taxes too, they are paying the full price. They just choose to top
Up their level.
Most of the patents also pay more taxes than those whose kids don't go to or ate schools so they are paying their fees too

Artdeco30

And back to the main point of the thread - namely politicians holding public meetings so that they can then advertise the event with huge photos of themselves on lamp posts.

Senator Mary White strikes again! Not long since her image advertised an inheritance tax meeting in D14, she is now holding a meeting on 'Future School Subject and CAO choices.'

Posters for this bizarre event currently all around Clonskeagh.

K-9

Mod:
Some posts moved to new thread about private schools.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057500688

Agent Smith

ted1 wrote: »

Fee paying schools receive less funding than public schools as they look after their own maintenance. Take away the subventions and the school will change to public and end is costing the state more. So she's correct

How dare you come on here and speak logically...

:pac:

nice_guy80

Agent Smith wrote: »

How dare you come on here and speak logically...

:pac:

How many private schools have gone public?

They'll be well able to cover their costs with the wealthy people who frequent the schools

K-9

Mod:

Post about private schools in the new thread started, link is a couple of posts above. This thread is about election posters, not private education.

the_syco

K-9 wrote: »

Mod:

Post about private schools in the new thread started, link is a couple of posts above. This thread is about election posters, not private education.

Sorry, only noted the thread change after I had posted. Post moved.

rubadub

voter1983 wrote: »

Surely this is a litter matter?

I would think it is. Her current election style posters in dun laoghaire rathdown are in violation many of the rules for election posters, so if it was an election they would be classed as litter. All parties are well aware of these rules which have been in place for years in this area. I would presume they had to seek permission from the local council and would presume the same rules apply.

On her facebook page she has the nerve to be talking about litter in DLR, unbelievable. Is she mocking people?

Mary Mitchell O'Connor TD
January 5 at 10:53am · Dublin ·
I am delighted to see Dún Laoghaire finish second out of 40 towns and cities surveyed across the country – the town’s highest ever finish – in the most recent Irish Business Against Litter (IBAL) rankings.
Congratulations to all staff, local businesses and residents involved, you are a credit to our community.

https://www.facebook.com/mary.mitchelloconnor/?fref=ts

I don't think anybody is under any illusion that these are election posters. Her name is in huge font with the meeting it advertises in smaller lettering. I hope people will challenge any FG canvassers who have the nerve to show their face.

Several of the posters have been removed on leopardstown road today, the remnants of some are still up, cable ties and bits of posters.

To make this worse the left overs I spotted are on ESB electrical poles. I kid you not, this shameless degenerate is still insisting on putting them up and endangering peoples lives and property for her own gain. The ESB gave widely publicised warnings about the election posters being a fire hazard for several years. Even now she has the pick of the poles she still insists on endangering people. I have no doubt the ESB did not remove them. Maybe her goons knew full well of the danger and are not risking their own lives, just leave the houseowners at risk.

http://www.esb.ie/main/press/pressreleaseWS.jsp?id=1114
http://www.esb.ie/main/press/pressreleaseWS.jsp?id=1734

Many are obstructing traffic signs and traffic lights on the N11 and other roads..

The meeting being advertised is supposed to be about growing your business online. I expect she will be discussing how to circumvent spam filters, find loopholes in advertising & banking laws, or outright break them and live with the fines, as no doubt it can sometimes be more economical even if you do endanger people.

Absolutely despicable & inexcusable tactics.

Fred Swanson

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RainyDay

the groutch wrote: »

does the 7 day rule apply like with election posters?

The rules vary between local authority areas. Dublin city is 7 days before/after the meeting. Dun Laoghire is 30 days before and 7 after.

Idbatterim

Originally Posted by Hotblack Desiato View Post
Worth it to put an end to inherited privilege. If you want schools for snobs, don't take taxpayers' money.

dont take tax payers money? The people that send their kids to a private school, man thats given me a good laugh! You mean the taxpaying parents who in a lot of cases are being bled dry at every turn to finance other peoples kids?

I got a private education, my mum and dad broke their necks to give it to me. Should I apologise for that? Are they rich or snobs because they chose to spend it on that, versus cigarettes and alcohol and having a poor or no work ethic? Spare me!

the groutch

do the election poster rules apply to bus shelters?
seen a FG candidate (not MMO'C) with a full-blown election poster (not a meeting notice) on a bus shelter in Monkstown village today.

schemingbohemia

That would be Marie Bailey - looks dodgy to me legally speaking.

RainyDay

the groutch wrote: »

do the election poster rules apply to bus shelters?
seen a FG candidate (not MMO'C) with a full-blown election poster (not a meeting notice) on a bus shelter in Monkstown village today.

Nope - they can pay for whatever private advertising they like at any time - bus shelters, billboards, newspaper ads whatever. THere are spending limits for election periods, so they may well be trying to spend some money before these limits come into play on Tuesday next.

nice_guy80

I saw some nicely edited/defaced election posters for Joan Bruton in Blanchardstown over the weekend

ted1

the groutch wrote: »

do the election poster rules apply to bus shelters?
seen a FG candidate (not MMO'C) with a full-blown election poster (not a meeting notice) on a bus shelter in Monkstown village today.

No, they are paying for the privilege and as such can do what they want

Agent Smith

schemingbohemia wrote: »

That would be Marie Bailey - looks dodgy to me legally speaking.

note to self, Dont take Legal advise from schemingbohemia....