About time something was done?

cms88

Is it about the the GAA did something about keepers coming up to take frees? Today it looked like there was an actual rule saying Cluxton can take as long as he wants to decide whether or not he's going to take a free. Its been going on for years with him now and nothing seems to be done.

Do i blame him? No its not against the rules of course but its about time it was. If a free isn't taken within 30 seconds it should go the other way

tritium

Same ****e as gets posted every time Dublin win an AI. Cluxtons free taking didn't cost Kerry the game, being second best for most of the match did.

Plenty of outfield player who take their sweet time on frees..

cms88

tritium wrote: »

Same ****e as gets posted every time Dublin win an AI. Cluxtons free taking didn't cost Kerry the game, being second best for most of the match did.

Plenty of outfield player who take their sweet time on frees..

So you think its fine for someone to take 2 minutes to take a free do you?

And no it didn't cost them because he missed most of them. The fact is he's been left get away with taking as long as he wants to stroll up and take them. How much time did he waste today doing it?

SeanJ09

It wasn't the reason Kerry lost today, but Cluxton must have took at least 90 seconds to take that last free. 90 seconds which weren't accounted for in injury time either.

tritium

90 seconds where the ref, as has been noted many times elsewhere, was actually dealing with a Kerry player anyway :rolleyes:


Its amazing how so many posters can't wait to find some reason to criticise Dublin when they win. Seriously folks, take a look at how much time is conveniently lost in other ways during an average match and never gets added back. Heck, to make it easy for you here's something from 2011!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ballinplay-stats-worry-for-football-26780654.html

cms88

tritium wrote: »

90 seconds where the ref, as has been noted many times elsewhere, was actually dealing with a Kerry player anyway :rolleyes:


Its amazing how so many posters can't wait to find some reason to criticise Dublin when they win. Seriously folks, take a look at how much time is conveniently lost in other ways during an average match and never gets added back. Heck, to make it easy for you here's something from 2011!
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Again what about the other ones? Of do they not count?

Its almost as amazing as how Dubs always turn a blind eye to things like this. Another classic it ignoring Kevin Mc and his over carrying, something he was at once gain today

First of all I don't think anyone will seriously argue that Dublin weren't deserving winners on the day or that the time used on Cluxton taking the frees had any serious impact on the game but in a more general sense I think there has to be time limits placed on taking frees from when they are awarded. Regardless of whether the time is added on again or not it doesn't help the flow of the game to have play stopped for so long and facilitates a team in the lead to break the flow of the game. Its not an issue that's solely about Dublin, other teams do it also.

I don't see anything wrong with it, as long as the time taken is added on, which is presumably simply a matter of applying the existing rules.

pajero12

Jesus noone can say anything about Dublin without being branded part of the anti-dublin brigade, I live in Dublin, A few of my mates have played/do play for Dublin, and I was cheering for them today,

But Cluxton does take the piss a little, The last one fair enough, Sheehan was being given a yellow at the time, but for the others it was a bit of a joke,

Surely a team as well organised as Dublin know who their free takers are and from what position they're taking them from without needing the outfielders to wave down at them like muppets.

Godge

When I saw the title I thought this thread was about Kieron Donaghy and the way that whenever he comes on the field he has a go at someone and sooner or later he is involved in something off the ball, today taking a swing at Rory O'Carroll. It is about time something was done about it.

SeanJ09

tritium wrote: »

90 seconds where the ref, as has been noted many times elsewhere, was actually dealing with a Kerry player anyway :rolleyes:


Its amazing how so many posters can't wait to find some reason to criticise Dublin when they win. Seriously folks, take a look at how much time is conveniently lost in other ways during an average match and never gets added back. Heck, to make it easy for you here's something from 2011!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ballinplay-stats-worry-for-football-26780654.html

I don't see anyone in this thread criticising the Dubs including myself? Criticising the rules rather than Dublin and quit with the Anti Dublin Brigade nonsense.

tritium

cms88 wrote: »

Again what about the other ones? Of do they not count?

Its almost as amazing as how Dubs always turn a blind eye to things like this. Another classic it ignoring Kevin Mc and his over carrying, something he was at once gain today

Almost as amazing as the whinging every time Dublin win. Always sees to be some underhanded reason why they won out, never that they were simply better.

Guessing you didn't even bother reading the link so -fascinating stuff, makes you realise how much time is lost to cheap cynical fouling for example. And guess what, back in 2011, in spite of Cluxtons "time wasting", Dublin were actually ahead of the pack for keeping the ball in play! Amazing stuff!

tritium

SeanJ09 wrote: »

I don't see anyone in this thread criticising the Dubs including myself? Criticising the rules rather than Dublin and quit with the Anti Dublin Brigade nonsense.

Oh yeah, and this stuff is all about concern for the rules is it .....:rolleyes:

cms88 wrote: »

Again what about the other ones? Of do they not count?

Its almost as amazing as how Dubs always turn a blind eye to things like this. Another classic it ignoring Kevin Mc and his over carrying, something he was at once gain today

RoyalCelt

tritium wrote: »

Same ****e as gets posted every time Dublin win an AI. Cluxtons free taking didn't cost Kerry the game, being second best for most of the match did.

Plenty of outfield player who take their sweet time on frees..

OK so because it didn't cost kerry the game we should just accept this massive time wasting issue.

If you win a free you should have 20 seconds to take it or its a free the other way.

Not the 90 seconds cluxton is often allowed.

tritium

RoyalCelt wrote: »

OK so because it didn't cost kerry the game we should just accept this massive time wasting issue.

If you win a free you should have 20 seconds to take it or its a free the other way.

Not the 90 seconds cluxton is often allowed.

Why should a team be restricted on which player takes their free (which is what a 20 second rule would amount to here). Rules are fine, ref just needs to add the time back properly. If you want a change just stop the clock for frees

cms88

tritium wrote: »

Oh yeah, and this stuff is all about concern for the rules is it .....:rolleyes:

Is there not a rule about over carrying? Something Kevin Mc brakes on a regular basis?

Its funny how even when something thats actually true is said about Dublin you're still ''anti Dublin''

STB.

cms88 wrote: »

Is there not a rule about over carrying? Something Kevin Mc brakes on a regular basis?

Its funny how even when something thats actually true is said about Dublin you're still ''anti Dublin''

Its funny the low post thread starters on a wind up.

keeponhurling

The Cluxton thing of strolling up for the free does seem a little ridiculous at this stage.
He always runs back to his goals a lot fast than he ambles up to take the free!

GAA pitches are big, and it does waste a lot of time and slow down the game.

As other posters have said, either extra time needs to be added on, or the ref has discretion to change the free to a throw ball if he thinks their taking the Mick (which I suspect he already has the authority to do).
And time wasted within the additional time, should be added on at the end.

Valetta

cms88 wrote: »

So you think its fine for someone to take 2 minutes to take a free do you?

And no it didn't cost them because he missed most of them. The fact is he's been left get away with taking as long as he wants to stroll up and take them. How much time did he waste today doing it?

Cluxton didn't take 2 minutes for any of the frees today, so your argument lacks credibility from the start.

It's gamesmanship that every single player, and team engage in.

Dublin get no advantage (no more than any other team), so your OP comes across as pure begrudgery.

Scarecrow 2

It's funny all this talk and nothing down through the years when the gooch would steal yards on his frees. I can recall an equalizer some years ago where he scored free in injury time at least 10 yards in from where free was awarded.

Dublin better team and would of won today if there had being another 10 minutes.

Kerry are so overrated. Beat poor cork team, poor Kildare team and average Tyrone team.

Hitchens

Mikey Sheehy never wasted time taking a free :P

Strumms

There were 6 minutes played today in time added on, two in the first half, four at the end of the second. There is no way there were stoppages anything like four minutes so you can only think the ref added it for the extra time it took for Cluxton to get up to take the frees. As people without blinkers have pointed out one of those frees was delayed not by Cluxton but by the ref booking and lecturing a Kerry player. There is no restriction as to who can and can't take a free, get over it.

A lot of trolling and anti Dubs BS, you can spend your evening griping about small minded **** and rules that apply to every player throughout the sport.

At the end of the day Dublin were by far the better team and should have won by more. If anyone want to talk about rules, foul play or otherwise take off the blinkers and by all means have that debate but in the wider context of the game and every club and county as a whole..but no it has to be all about Dublin.... And guess what tonight it is because we are AI champions, deservedly so.

cms88

Valetta wrote: »

Cluxton didn't take 2 minutes for any of the frees today, so your argument lacks credibility from the start.

It's gamesmanship that every single player, and team engage in.

Dublin get no advantage (no more than any other team), so your OP comes across as pure begrudgery.

90 seconds then if you want to be exact about it.

As for no advantage, again Kevin Mc over carrying once more and Brogan fouling the ball for the last score.

If you want ti ignore this then fair enough...

Strumms

So Kerry were robbed then is that what you are saying ?

cms88

Strumms wrote: »

There were 6 minutes played today in time added on, two in the first half, four at the end of the second. There is no way there were stoppages anything like four minutes so you can only think the ref added it for the extra time it took for Cluxton to get up to take the frees. As people without blinkers have pointed out one of those frees was delayed not by Cluxton but by the ref booking and lecturing a Kerry player. There is no restriction as to who can and can't take a free, get over it.

A lot of trolling and anti Dubs BS, you can spend your evening griping about small minded **** and rules that apply to every player throughout the sport.

At the end of the day Dublin were by far the better team and should have won by more. If anyone want to talk about rules, foul play or otherwise take off the blinkers and by all means have that debate but in the wider context of the game and every club and county as a whole..but no it has to be all about Dublin.... And guess what tonight it is because we are AI champions, deservedly so.

Once again over carrying is a rule broken by one particular Dublin player in every game he plays....

cms88

Strumms wrote: »

So Kerry were robbed then is that what you are saying ?

Where did i say thatt? Just pointing out the facts

purplecow1977

It's amazing how defensive Dubs get about this and how they automatically thing the worst!

Cluxton shouldn't be allowed to take that long. It's a total time waste.

Strumms

cms88 wrote: »

Once again over carrying is a rule broken by one particular Dublin player in every game he plays....

Do you watch every game he plays ? If so he must be very flattered.

cms88

Strumms wrote: »

Do you watch every game he plays ? If so he must be very flattered.

Well every Dublin game is on live is it not? Why are you trying to ignore this? Something Dubs are very good at i notice.....

Strumms

cms88 wrote: »

Where did i say thatt? Just pointing out the facts

And it's worthy of debate why ? I'm yet to see any game where someone doesn't get away with a step or two, or where the ref might miss a foul on the ball, on more then one occasion in fact A Kerry player picked it off the ground in the first half but it wasn't called. So ****in what. Bleat on about it as much as you like your frustration at pretty much nothing amuses me.

Moneymaker

Read thread title, assumed it was going to be some ****e about splitting Dublin in half or games outside of Croker.

Turned to be something equally dull and irrelevant.

Better team won today. Get over it.

cms88

Strumms wrote: »

And it's worthy of debate why ? I'm yet to see any game where someone doesn't get away with a step or two, or where the ref might miss a foul on the ball, on more then one occasion in fact A Kerry player picked it off the ground in the first half but it wasn't called. So ****in what. Bleat on about it as much as you like your frustration at pretty much nothing amuses me.

a step or two? Kev is more in the 5/6 extra but lets just ignore that shall we? What about Brogans foul on the ball for the last point?

Its funny because had Dublin lost we know who would be doing the moaning, but then again its fine when Dublin do it, but its ''anti Dublin'' when others do

cms88

purplecow1977 wrote: »

It's amazing how defensive Dubs get about this and how they automatically thing the worst!

Cluxton shouldn't be allowed to take that long. It's a total time waste.

Well everything about against is anti Dublin no matter what.....

Strumms

cms88 wrote: »

a step or two? Kev is more in the 5/6 extra but lets just ignore that shall we? What about Brogans foul on the ball for the last point?

Its funny because had Dublin lost we know who would be doing the moaning, but then again its fine when Dublin do it, but its ''anti Dublin'' when others do

i think if you feel that strongly about it you should write into the GAA and ask for a replay. :pac:

cms88

Moneymaker wrote: »

Read thread title, assumed it was going to be some ****e about splitting Dublin in half or games outside of Croker.

Turned to be something equally dull and irrelevant.

Better team won today. Get over it.

Seems to be pretty relevant seeing as they benefit from it more than any other team

cms88

Strumms wrote: »

i think if you feel that strongly about it you should write into the GAA and ask for a replay. :pac:

Maybe i should ask who Dublin use to get their players off from their bans...

Moneymaker

cms88 wrote: »

Seems to be pretty relevant seeing as they benefit from it more than any other team

Benefit from what?

Did it benefit us when Donegal deservedly hammered us last year?

Mayo in 2012?

Or how about the 16 years where we won **** all?

Been over this a million times. Vast majority of decent Dublin fans support trips away from Croker. We'd still be the best team in the country in Killarney or Clones.

Strumms

cms88 wrote: »

Maybe i should ask who Dublin use to get their players off from their bans...

the appeals process that is available to any player :pac:

cms88

Strumms wrote: »

the appeals process that is available to any player :pac:

Dont see to many other counties getting an appeal over the line in less than a week, but lets also ignore that will we?

cms88

Moneymaker wrote: »

Benefit from what?

Did it benefit us when Donegal deservedly hammered us last year?

Mayo in 2012?

Or how about the 16 years where we won **** all?

Been over this a million times. Vast majority of decent Dublin fans support trips away from Croker. We'd still be the best team in the country in Killarney or Clones.

It may not have been the reason for winning but it did today, and in 2011

Funny they weren't all that good in Killarney this year....

Strumms

cms88 wrote: »

Dont see to many other counties getting an appeal over the line in less than a week, but lets also ignore that will we?

You can if you like... Or just be outraged by it. Write to the GAA, call Joe Duffy or mention it the next time you visit your therapist. Whatever you need to do to bring you inner peace.

munster87

I definitely wouldn't complain about Cluxton from a Kerry point of view. He did everything he could to keep them in the game!

cms88

Strumms wrote: »

You can if you like... Or just be outraged by it. Write to the GAA, call Joe Duffy or mention it the next time you visit your therapist. Whatever you need to do to bring you inner peace.

Again why are you trying to change the subject? Or will you just change it again now?

rebel girl 15

Constructive discussion in line with the forum charter - already have had to hand out a few cards.

If it continues, I will lock the thread for a few days until people cool down

Amprodude

What about BJK last year for Kerry in the dying moments of the Donegal game when the Donegal goal keeper was kicking out the ball and Keane ran in and kicked the ball away to waste time. Of course you are blindfolded to all of that. Some guys here last year were saying it was necessary, that Kerry were too nice before etc to teams. No harm to give Kerry a bit of their own medicine from time to time. What cluxton did today was disgraceful but then again Kerry would do the same if they were in that position and time almost out.

Shurimgreat

Definitely time something was done. It was clearly a time wasting tactic today, designed to slow the game down and take Kerry's momentum away. Even if Cluxton misses, which he missed I think 3 out of 4, it serves a purpose. If an outfield player stood over the ball for a minute or so, the ref would probably book him. But a goalie is given a free ride? It's cynical play in my view and time to outlaw it.

EICVD

Cms88 must eat a lemon for breakfast, lunch, dinner & supper! You seem a little bitter the Dubs won today so that must be the reason?

Shurimgreat

Moneymaker wrote: »

Read thread title, assumed it was going to be some ****e about splitting Dublin in half or games outside of Croker.

Turned to be something equally dull and irrelevant.

Better team won today. Get over it.

Its not an anti Dublin thing so relax. The OP is making a general point about keepers coming up to take frees. Its wrong regardless who does it. From what I have seen, keepers are no better at taking long range frees than any other player. There success rate is usually around 50%. In many cases its a tactic by all the teams who do it to slow down the play. A minute or more to take a free is pretty disgraceful to be honest, regardless of who does it, but particularly if a team is leading.

As for taking Dublin out of croker, its a separate issue. However if every AI semi final and final was played in Killarney for example, who do you think would be the first to complain? Just saying!

Strumms

As a dubs supporter I don't want Cluxton coming up for those frees. Why ? Because he misses too many of late. More then enough players with maybe not the distance but certainly the accuracy and better of Cluxton and none of those frees were out of the range for other players bar maybe one. While it takes Cluxton a time to get up there... If the designated free taker was one of the lads in the full back line they would only get there marginally quicker... It's not a time wasting tactic nobody in their sane mind can say that any team would sacrifice the point to waste time. Anyone who does should just take leave and follow their sences or lack there of, off to the conspiracy theory forum, put on their tinfoil hats and have a grand old time discussing chemtrails, Area 51 and the evil scourge that are the Dubs...

Stoner

SeanJ09 wrote:

I don't see anyone in this thread criticising the Dubs including myself? Criticising the rules rather than Dublin and quit with the Anti Dublin Brigade nonsense.

Well why was the thread started after a Dublin win.
I agree that there should be time limits, Star contributed to the longest one today by pushing him over on his way up to taking a free, then the ref had to call star over, then he went over and stood over the ball . He was at that in 2013 too, just trying to get Kerry going. But it wastes time too.

ThunbergsAreGo

cms88 wrote: »

Is there not a rule about over carrying? Something Kevin Mc brakes on a regular basis?

Its funny how even when something thats actually true is said about Dublin you're still ''anti Dublin''

So does almost every player