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Administrative Officer 2015 open competition

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Veledan22


    Does anyone know if this is the last week for interviews, or are there more next week?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    Anyone else going mad waiting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Veledan22


    Emmal14 wrote: »
    Anyone else going mad waiting?

    Yes, :( hopefully we will hear something by the end of this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Veledan22


    Just got the results email....can't imagine they are going to have enough vacancies to ever get near my number! Best of luck everyone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭coloneldecker


    Same here. Anyone got any theories on how many vacancies there'll actually be? I didn't get a breakdown of my results from the various parts of the assesment centre, did anyone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Holysock




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Veledan22


    No, I just got a generic email telling me where I placed and that they were waiting on confirmation of the number of vacancies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭coloneldecker


    Holysock wrote: »


    That would get me in on this one but looks like that's over a number of competitions and not just this one tho so there'd need to be more than that for me to get anything here. Ah well!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Veledan22


    I'm the same. Very few of the 200 places would want to be going to any of the other competitions for there to be any chance of me getting anything.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    Ye i got about the middle i think but it depends on how many jobs there is. I think you can request feedback on your assessment centre day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 119 ✭✭coloneldecker


    Normally you get a break down of marks in each segment, are we not to expect that for this competition?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭roe_cat


    So i'm now prematurely imagining my new job...(hopeful but still further down the panel than I'd like for safety...)

    Is this new payscale correct? Didn't realise starting salaries were being reduced...
    http://www.impact.ie/your-sector/public-sector/civil-service/civil-service-salary-scales/civil-service-salary-scales-2016/civil-service-general-service-grades-2016/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    In the information about the position it states starting salary is 29,992. Don't know if i could go below that! Though at 103 god only knows if I will even get the opportunity


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 Paphos


    Does anyone know if PAS got in touch with current employers before forming the panel? I wasn't sure if that was going to be before or after.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    Paphos wrote: »
    Does anyone know if PAS got in touch with current employers before forming the panel? I wasn't sure if that was going to be before or after.

    No they only get in touch when you are called on the panel. Thank god otherwise life would be very awkward!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Veledan22


    Does anyone think they will be getting back to us before Christmas with the number of places they have?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    Veledan22 wrote: »
    Does anyone think they will be getting back to us before Christmas with the number of places they have?

    I seriously doubt it! I'd say maybe January


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Thisisit90


    Anyone else think a figure of 150 jobs sounds about right? Just basing this on the announcement of 200 jobs across:

    •Administrative Officer in the Civil Service;
    • Graduate Economist with the Irish Government Economic and Evaluation Service;
    • Trainee Auditor in the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General;
    • Junior Diplomat/Third Secretary in the Department of Foreign Affairs;
    • Legal Researchers a while back.

    I'm guessing ao will be the majority.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 connmel


    Thisisit90 wrote: »
    Anyone else think a figure of 150 jobs sounds about right? Just basing this on the announcement of 200 jobs across:

    •Administrative Officer in the Civil Service;
    • Graduate Economist with the Irish Government Economic and Evaluation Service;
    • Trainee Auditor in the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General;
    • Junior Diplomat/Third Secretary in the Department of Foreign Affairs;
    • Legal Researchers a while back.

    I'm guessing ao will be the majority.

    I was thinking about at least 120 so the same ballpark really. And realistically to fill 120 posts they will probably need to call at least 160/170. Of course though this will be across the life of the panel as requests come in in dribs and drabs.

    Has anyone got an email address to ask for marking feedback. I'm intrigued because I thought I had definitely failed the presentation! but it appears not!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Veledan22


    connmel wrote: »
    I was thinking about at least 120 so the same ballpark really. And realistically to fill 120 posts they will probably need to call at least 160/170. Of course though this will be across the life of the panel as requests come in in dribs and drabs.

    Has anyone got an email address to ask for marking feedback. I'm intrigued because I thought I had definitely failed the presentation! but it appears not!

    Do you know how long a panel usually lasts for?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Veledan22 wrote: »
    Do you know how long a panel usually lasts for?

    One year from the date of first appointment from the panel.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Thisisit90 wrote: »
    Anyone else think a figure of 150 jobs sounds about right? Just basing this on the announcement of 200 jobs across:

    •Administrative Officer in the Civil Service;
    • Graduate Economist with the Irish Government Economic and Evaluation Service;
    • Trainee Auditor in the Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General;
    • Junior Diplomat/Third Secretary in the Department of Foreign Affairs;
    • Legal Researchers a while back.

    I'm guessing ao will be the majority.

    Its hard to call- given the embargo has just been lifted- and graduate recruitment is encompassing significant recruitment other than at AO grade (EO grade for example). If AO was the defined graduate entry into the civil service- I'd actually hazard that 220-250 was on the low side given the ending of the embargo- however, as its now sweeping up EOs and indeed APs- it may even be on the high side......... Time will tell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    connmel wrote: »
    I was thinking about at least 120 so the same ballpark really. And realistically to fill 120 posts they will probably need to call at least 160/170. Of course though this will be across the life of the panel as requests come in in dribs and drabs.

    Has anyone got an email address to ask for marking feedback. I'm intrigued because I thought I had definitely failed the presentation! but it appears not!

    They will be sending marking feedback on according to an email I received today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 Thisisit90


    Its hard to call- given the embargo has just been lifted- and graduate recruitment is encompassing significant recruitment other than at AO grade (EO grade for example). If AO was the defined graduate entry into the civil service- I'd actually hazard that 220-250 was on the low side given the ending of the embargo- however, as its now sweeping up EOs and indeed APs- it may even be on the high side......... Time will tell.

    Is that the Eos for revenue? I think that is separate to the 200 mentioned (Could be wrong though!). Agreed, its tricky to estimate at the moment. Was it 250 interviewed for ao?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Thisisit90 wrote: »
    Is that the Eos for revenue? I think that is separate to the 200 mentioned (Could be wrong though!). Agreed, its tricky to estimate at the moment. Was it 250 interviewed for ao?

    EO is defacto graduate recruitment nowadays (which is tacitly admitted- by EO recruitment coming under the Graduate Recruitment Unit- and not the general PAS recruitment sections). Its across the board- its not just the Revenue Sections. Apparently some Departments have been rather cheeky- seeking EOs with specific qualifications- akin the manner in which they used try get specialised staff in via the AO grade- in essence- they are now looking for the qualifications and skills in EOs that were once considered to be the desirable attributes for an AO........ Anyhow- we digress........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    It really will be interesting to see what happens! And also if they want you to specialise further once you are in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    Got my assessment centre feedback emailed today. Bloody presentation is what has screwed me did really well everywhere else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Whizzgirl


    Hi folks,

    Does anyone know the maximum score for each of the three areas in the AO competition?
    Interview competencies
    Presentation &
    Job simulation.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭roe_cat


    Emmal14 wrote: »
    Got my assessment centre feedback emailed today. Bloody presentation is what has screwed me did really well everywhere else.

    Do you have to ask for feedback or did they just send it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 Whizzgirl


    I requested the feedback. They gave qualifying score and score achieved for interview presentation and job simulation. The maths or verbal were not counted in the placing - they just verified against your on-line result.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    roe_cat wrote: »
    Do you have to ask for feedback or did they just send it?

    I had to request it. As Whizzgirl said they sent out the minimum qualifying score and your score but not the maximum! I have requested that from them after I realised I read the results wrong lol! Actually did ok in the presentation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭roe_cat


    Did you just email info@publicjobs.ie?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    Yes Roe Cat i just emailed them and requested it! I have attached a pic of the max scores for each section received from Pas this morning! Actually interview was ok but could have done better!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    Anybody received any contact yet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭:Keith:


    Given the lack of activity here recently I'm guessing everyone is in the same boat and there's been no announcement of how many positions there'll be.

    The feedback from the assessment day was very interesting, in particular the comments from the interview panel. Coming out I didn't really know how I did so seeing their thoughts was enlightening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    :Keith: wrote: »
    Given the lack of activity here recently I'm guessing everyone is in the same boat and there's been no announcement of how many positions there'll be.

    The feedback from the assessment day was very interesting, in particular the comments from the interview panel. Coming out I didn't really know how I did so seeing their thoughts was enlightening.

    I got one sentence of feedback for interview how long was yours? Anybody know if the salary scale has defo changed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 TCO


    Emmal14 wrote: »
    I got one sentence of feedback for interview how long was yours? Anybody know if the salary scale has defo changed?

    Salary scale for AO is as follows:

    Revised pay with effect from 1 January 2016 for General Service Grades who were
    appointed on or after the 6th April 1995 paying the Class A rate of PRSI
    contribution and making an employee contribution in respect of personal
    superannuation benefits for General Service Grades:

    Administrative Officer Standard Scale - PPC

    €30,221 €32,575 €33,247 €36,194 €39,967 €42,838
    €45,711 €48,593 €51,466 €54,329 €56,314¹ €58,294²

    Taken from page 8 of the latest circular on pay - circular 17/2015.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 ashball


    My interviews feedback was just the one line as well. I hope we hear soon, this is driving me mad!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    TCO wrote: »
    Salary scale for AO is as follows:

    Revised pay with effect from 1 January 2016 for General Service Grades who were
    appointed on or after the 6th April 1995 paying the Class A rate of PRSI
    contribution and making an employee contribution in respect of personal
    superannuation benefits for General Service Grades:

    Administrative Officer Standard Scale - PPC

    €30,221 €32,575 €33,247 €36,194 €39,967 €42,838
    €45,711 €48,593 €51,466 €54,329 €56,314¹ €58,294²

    Taken from page 8 of the latest circular on pay - circular 17/2015.

    Thanks a mill! Is that for new civil servants? I would be coming in from the private sector.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    ashball wrote: »
    My interviews feedback was just the one line as well. I hope we hear soon, this is driving me mad!

    I am the same!! Annoyed there is only one line as I was hoping to improve on my technique


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 TCO


    Emmal14 wrote: »
    Thanks a mill! Is that for new civil servants? I would be coming in from the private sector.

    Yeah that's the rate for new civil servants. You'll get an increment every year subject to satisfactory performance.

    Hopefully there'll be plenty of positions available - I'm in the 80s on the panel. I've heard there are about 100 positions to be filled.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13 ashball


    I'm just hoping that by the time they make the offers enough people have wandered off that they get to my (lowish) number!

    Gawd it's like the CAO for adults..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭roe_cat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭roe_cat


    For the interview - I'm not actually so sure how much the feedback matters... it's so subjective.

    Did the same interviews last year (still in same job since then so no new experience to show...) Last year I fell down on leadership and they didn't think a whole lot of my interpersonal skills - this year my best marks were on interpersonal skills. Definitely felt that it helped a lot that the interview board this time were from departments more likely to be interested in my background.

    I didn't think that I had done well on specific competencies - conversation flowed well but I really didn't come up with many examples to tick the boxes... Didn't seem to matter in the end.

    As for the presentation - didn't feel I had done great last time and they gave me 80. This time I was confident going in, sat in front of the same two people and gave a far better presentation. Mark this time - 60...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 TCO


    That scale on the impact site is for civil servants hired pre April 95 that aren't making a pension contribution.

    The PPC scale I posted earlier is the applicable one for people that join the service post April 95.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 418 ✭✭:Keith:


    Emmal14 wrote: »
    I got one sentence of feedback for interview how long was yours? ?

    Sorry, I should clarify! I only got one a sentence as well, but was enlightening in the sense I really wasn't sure how the interview went.

    I got in the 30s so feeling somewhat hopeful.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    TCO wrote: »
    Yeah that's the rate for new civil servants. You'll get an increment every year subject to satisfactory performance.

    Hopefully there'll be plenty of positions available - I'm in the 80s on the panel. I've heard there are about 100 positions to be filled.

    That would be fantastic as I am 103! Fingers crossed! It's the not knowing that is killing me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31 TCO


    Emmal14 wrote: »
    That would be fantastic as I am 103! Fingers crossed! It's the not knowing that is killing me

    Same here. The 100 figure seems reasonable in the light of the announcement that there will be 200 grad jobs in total. Again, the 100 figure is only what I heard,nothing can be taken for granted with recruitment in the public sector, so we'll have wait and see what PAS say!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    TCO wrote: »
    Same here. The 100 figure seems reasonable in the light of the announcement that there will be 200 grad jobs in total. Again, the 100 figure is only what I heard,nothing can be taken for granted with recruitment in the public sector, so we'll have wait and see what PAS say!

    I'd say I have already wrecked PAS staff heads with emails asking questions. They could avoid so much if there was more information available. Now I know they probably don't know themselves but it's so frustrating particular for those of us outside the civil service


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭Emmal14


    TCO wrote: »
    That scale on the impact site is for civil servants hired pre April 95 that aren't making a pension contribution.

    The PPC scale I posted earlier is the applicable one for people that join the service post April 95.

    As per TCO http://www.per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/DPER-Circular-17.2015.pdf


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