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Administrative Officer 2015 open competition

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭octo


    Hi

    Yes I understand there were different versions of tests.
    That makes sense. I was thinking that a way to cheat the system would be to create two separate identities on publicjobs.ie. Then you could record the first test and have all the answers ready for the second test. But if there are different versions of the test then my dastardly plan would be foiled!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 jameswhale


    I did this test the other day and found it ok. Was caught for time on a few of the numerical ones, but did ok. Not too sure I qualify anyway I have an honours degree level 8 but its not a first or a second class honours 2.1! Maybe they put weight to what degree it is mine is accountancy based so id hope thats more relevant than having a first in arts with womens studies and geography as majors. Done now anyway. Seems like a pain in the arse process after doing the online stuff anyway for a job sometime next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    jameswhale wrote:
    I did this test the other day and found it ok. Was caught for time on a few of the numerical ones, but did ok. Not too sure I qualify anyway I have an honours degree level 8 but its not a first or a second class honours 2.1! Maybe they put weight to what degree it is mine is accountancy based so id hope thats more relevant than having a first in arts with womens studies and geography as majors. Done now anyway. Seems like a pain in the arse process after doing the online stuff anyway for a job sometime next year.

    ?? I've an Arts degree 2.1 and a business postgrad and a post-experience MSc in Strategic Management. I don't take your point as being at all valid. Surely they know what they want. A degree in Sociology, or indeed womens' studies, would surely trump an accountancy degree in a policy-driven role. Your comment is naive, in my opinion; having studied to a high level in both areas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    They ask you to bring your degree with you to the interview. You don't need it until then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 219 ✭✭psnKOB79LFC


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    ?? I've an Arts degree 2.1 and a business postgrad and a post-experience MSc in Strategic Management. I don't take your point as being at all valid. Surely they know what they want. A degree in Sociology, or indeed womens' studies, would surely trump an accountancy degree in a policy-driven role. Your comment is naive, in my opinion; having studied to a high level in both areas.


    Naive but reasonably true.. what is the pass rate on the degree you did... 99%? Exactly. Lets be honest most degrees are worthless and are only a heads up into real exams later in life. Sociology; yes because reading about this would make you a better manager... text book

    "A high level"... whats that exactly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18 Sunnies Washington


    Naive but reasonably true.. what is the pass rate on the degree you did... 99%? Exactly. Lets be honest most degrees are worthless and are only a heads up into real exams later in life. Sociology; yes because reading about this would make you a better manager... text book

    "A high level"... whats that exactly?

    Lets look at the requirements for both positions -

    Third Secretaries should be able to demonstrate:

    -a keen interest in, and understanding of, Irish public affairs, foreign policy and international relations
    -an ability to project key messages abroad about Ireland’s economic and trade capacity, performance and business potential, and to deliver on economic, trade and cultural promotion opportunities
    -an ability to manage and deliver on Ireland’s programme of development cooperation
    -a high degree of resilience and resourcefulness in dealing with particularly challenging situations, often involving Irish citizens in difficulty abroad
    -a knowledge and/or aptitude for foreign languages

    Applications are particularly welcome from candidates with further qualifications directly relevant to economic and trade promotion as well as from candidates with qualifications and/or experience in development cooperation.

    Administrative Officer (AO)

    The Administrative Officer position is primarily aimed at graduates. Administrative Officers play a crucial role in policy formulation (through critical analysis, research and policy drafting) for a wide range of governmental areas. Administrative Officers can also be involved in drafting briefing materials for Ministers. This role is an excellent opportunity for honours graduates to begin working in the Public Service.

    Based on this, why do you think an accounting degree would bump you up the list?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭SJ.


    I think it's probably better for people to think of the term 'for graduates' as meaning 'for people with degrees' rather than 'for people who are just out of college'.

    The new AOs I know range in age from 24 to 34 so they have some experience as well as a degree, which is the minimum bound for entry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Sisyphus Mark II


    -an ability to project key messages abroad about Ireland’s economic and trade capacity, performance and business potential, and to deliver on economic, trade and cultural promotion opportunities
    -an ability to manage and deliver on Ireland’s programme of development cooperation

    Accountancy degree might be relevant for these requirements, particularly so if your a qualified accountant that has done advanced performance measurement for elective.

    Don't see an accounting degree on its own holding much weight on its own without postgraduate or professional experience.
    An economics degree through Arts could be more relevant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 ColcloughP


    -an ability to project key messages abroad about Ireland’s economic and trade capacity, performance and business potential, and to deliver on economic, trade and cultural promotion opportunities
    -an ability to manage and deliver on Ireland’s programme of development cooperation

    Accountancy degree might be relevant for these requirements, particularly so if your a qualified accountant that has done advanced performance measurement for elective.

    Don't see an accounting degree on its own holding much weight on its own without postgraduate or professional experience.
    An economics degree through Arts could be more relevant.

    It's all moot unless you can pass the psychometric tests though. Someone with fluent Russian, 5 years experience working in international trade and a 1.1 MA in International Politics could fail to get through the psychometric tests while 21 year old with no languages, no work experience and a newly minted 2.2 BA in Film Making could sail through even though they'd never have a hope of passing even the first interview.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Sisyphus Mark II


    Surely they would hire that person with fluent russian. If not silly system.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 ColcloughP


    Surely they would hire that person with fluent russian. If not silly system.

    As far as I know, you have to get through the psychometric tests.

    None of your qualifications or experience is even considered until you get past the first round.

    The 3rd Secretary thread is full of people, throughout the years, complaining about not pass them in spite of having languages, degrees and experience that was specifically mentioned in the job post. Meanwhile there are also tons of people who made it through the psychometric tests easy enough only to be told that they were too unqualified to make it past the next round.

    It is a silly system. It doesn't prioritise trying to hire the best candidates, it prioritises making the hiring process as easy as possible for those doing the hiring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭An Ri rua


    Naive but reasonably true.. what is the pass rate on the degree you did... 99%? Exactly. Lets be honest most degrees are worthless and are only a heads up into real exams later in life. Sociology; yes because reading about this would make you a better manager... text book

    "A high level"... whats that exactly?

    99%? i'm not sure what university you're familiar with (maybe you have only attended college, that could explain it) but when I attended Maynooth (2 decades ago) the failure rate for 1st year French was 90%. English 50+% at least. When I attended the Smurfit School, the entry level was high. Would you be questioning their rationale also?

    Are you intending to have a go at me in particular? A high level is one level 8 and 2 level 9 qualifications. What's a high level to you? More importantly, what's "a high level" to PAS and to the National Qualifications Framework? QQI. or should that be QED.

    How does the study of sociology prepare someone for a career in people management & research/analysis in the public or civil service? I'll leave that to you to ponder on. Maybe you can run a cost benefit analysis on it or work out its net present value. Seriously, obre les ojos.

    You should let PAS, and whoever you attend interviews with, know that you feel degrees are worthless. Because we're not discussing their real worth, we're discussing them vis a vis these competitions. And that's what THEY are measuring and giving value for. Take up your agenda with them but don't disparage others who have qualifications that you do not. Play the ball, not the man. Perhaps you need to read Boards' rules as I see you are a newbie.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Naive but reasonably true.. what is the pass rate on the degree you did... 99%? Exactly. Lets be honest most degrees are worthless and are only a heads up into real exams later in life. Sociology; yes because reading about this would make you a better manager... text book

    "A high level"... whats that exactly?
    An Ri rua wrote: »
    99%? i'm not sure what university you're familiar with (maybe you have only attended college, that could explain it) but when I attended Maynooth (2 decades ago) the failure rate for 1st year French was 90%. English 50+% at least. When I attended the Smurfit School, the entry level was high. Would you be questioning their rationale also?

    Are you intending to have a go at me in particular? A high level is one level 8 and 2 level 9 qualifications. What's a high level to you? More importantly, what's "a high level" to PAS and to the National Qualifications Framework? QQI. or should that be QED.

    How does the study of sociology prepare someone for a career in people management & research/analysis in the public or civil service? I'll leave that to you to ponder on. Maybe you can run a cost benefit analysis on it or work out its net present value. Seriously, obre les ojos.

    You should let PAS, and whoever you attend interviews with, know that you feel degrees are worthless. Because we're not discussing their real worth, we're discussing them vis a vis these competitions. And that's what THEY are measuring and giving value for. Take up your agenda with them but don't disparage others who have qualifications that you do not. Play the ball, not the man. Perhaps you need to read Boards' rules as I see you are a newbie.

    Mod: Both of you, cut out the sniping. Any more and there will be infractions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Georgie Berkeley


    ColcloughP wrote: »
    As far as I know, you have to get through the psychometric tests.

    None of your qualifications or experience is even considered until you get past the first round.

    The 3rd Secretary thread is full of people, throughout the years, complaining about not pass them in spite of having languages, degrees and experience that was specifically mentioned in the job post. Meanwhile there are also tons of people who made it through the psychometric tests easy enough only to be told that they were too unqualified to make it past the next round.

    It is a silly system. It doesn't prioritise trying to hire the best candidates, it prioritises making the hiring process as easy as possible for those doing the hiring.

    You're 100% correct: You have to achieve a very high score in the online test in order to be called for the supervised test, and if you achieve a high score in the latter, then and only then will they dust off your CV and give it some real consideration.

    It's an antiquated and perverse system, but, as you say, it saves on admin.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    You're 100% correct: You have to achieve a very high score in the online test in order to be called for the supervised test, and if you achieve a high score in the latter, then and only then will they dust off your CV and give it some real consideration.

    It's an antiquated and perverse system, but, as you say, it saves on admin.

    You don't have to score an abnormally high score.

    You have to pass all 3 sections (typically around a 60% pass mark- in or around 50 out of 80).
    You only need to absolutely pass the numeracy (aka once you've passed it- your mark is discarded and does not factor in your placing on the panel.
    Your place on the panel is determined solely by your scoring on the verbal reasoning and psychometric testing.

    Its done this way to help women who typically don't score as well at these type numeracy events, than do men- and is a policy which equality groups have advocated fiercely in favour of retaining.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    You don't have to score an abnormally high score.

    You have to pass all 3 sections (typically around a 60% pass mark- in or around 50 out of 80).
    You only need to absolutely pass the numeracy (aka once you've passed it- your mark is discarded and does not factor in your placing on the panel.
    Your place on the panel is determined solely by your scoring on the verbal reasoning and psychometric testing.

    Its done this way to help women who typically don't score as well at these type numeracy events, than do men- and is a policy which equality groups have advocated fiercely in favour of retaining.

    The fact of the matter is that this is a competitive process. At maximum 300 applicants are likely to be called to stage 2 testing. As there are at minimum 3000 applicants, this means that you must place in AT THE VERY LEAST the top ten per cent, if not the top 5 per cent in order to progress with the competition.

    In practice this means that you DO need to perform extremely well in the tests.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fiachr_a


    ColcloughP wrote: »
    It is a silly system. It doesn't prioritise trying to hire the best candidates, it prioritises making the hiring process as easy as possible for those doing the hiring.
    Just because you have a BA or Masters doesn't make you intelligent. I know people with computer science degrees who've failed these tests. People with the sharpest minds don't always make the best academics.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    fiachr_a wrote: »
    Just because you have a BA or Masters doesn't make you intelligent. I know people with computer science degrees who've failed these tests. People with the sharpest minds don't always make the best academics.

    Anyhow- as those of you who do eventually manage to get through and are posted in government Departments will discover- being a good academic- could very well have nothing whatsoever to do with the post in question........


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fiachr_a


    Its done this way to help women who typically don't score as well at these type numeracy events, than do men- and is a policy which equality groups have advocated fiercely in favour of retaining.
    Very wrong, you can't have equality by ignoring that women are bad at maths.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 ColcloughP


    fiachr_a wrote: »
    Just because you have a BA or Masters doesn't make you intelligent. I know people with computer science degrees who've failed these tests. People with the sharpest minds don't always make the best academics.

    But surely a 4 year long BA and/or a masters is a better metric than a 20 minute test. As far as I can tell, the only thing those tests accurately measure is someone's ability to speed-read, which is hardly analogous with intelligence.

    I know lots of people in the army and lots of people that have applied for it. I know people who failed the psychometric tests who went on to become very successful in their field and I know people who passed the tests, got into the army and then went on to become very poor officers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    ColcloughP wrote: »
    But surely a 4 year long BA and/or a masters is a better metric than a 20 minute test. As far as I can tell, the only thing those tests accurately measure is someone's ability to speed-read, which is hardly analogous with intelligence.

    I know lots of people in the army and lots of people that have applied for it. I know people who failed the psychometric tests who went on to become very successful in their field and I know people who passed the tests, got into the army and then went on to become very poor officers.

    Yeah. They should interview all 7000 applicants for the 100 jobs Max. Very efficient way of doing things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 ColcloughP


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    Yeah. They should interview all 7000 applicants for the 100 jobs Max. Very efficient way of doing things.

    You're just presenting the worst solution to your position. A classic straw man argument.

    A far more reasonable and fairer process would be to have a more comprehensive application form which would ask the applicant to give more than just the basics of their qualifications. It should allow applicants to upload a reasonably sized CV with a motivational letter and it should ask them to specifically state why their education and experience would make them a suitable candidate for the job.

    People who are successful in this round will be those who not only have the relevant experience but who also sold themselves as candidates by understanding the position and demonstrating how their qualifications match the needs of the job.

    So with 3rd sec, for example, people with languages, experience and a master's in trade or international relations who can write a good application form go through while people with biology degrees who can write a good application but not good enough to demonstrate why their knowledge of biology would make them a good diplomat, don't get through.

    Sure it'll probably take longer, but when it comes to hiring the best people for the job of who effectively runs the country, I think it'd be worth it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ezra_pound


    ColcloughP wrote: »
    You're just presenting the worst solution to your position. A classic straw man argument.

    A far more reasonable and fairer process would be to have a more comprehensive application form which would ask the applicant to give more than just the basics of their qualifications. It should allow applicants to upload a reasonably sized CV with a motivational letter and it should ask them to specifically state why their education and experience would make them a suitable candidate for the job.

    People who are successful in this round will be those who not only have the relevant experience but who also sold themselves as candidates by understanding the position and demonstrating how their qualifications match the needs of the job.

    So with 3rd sec, for example, people with languages, experience and a master's in trade or international relations who can write a good application form go through while people with biology degrees who can write a good application but not good enough to demonstrate why their knowledge of biology would make them a good diplomat, don't get through.

    Sure it'll probably take longer, but when it comes to hiring the best people for the job of who effectively runs the country, I think it'd be worth it.

    So you ARE saying 7000 or whatever amount of applicants there are should be subjectively shortlisted?

    The benefit of this is questionable. For example I have never met a junior diplomat or AO who seemed to me not to have the relevant qualifications or to be in any way unsuitable for the role. In other words the current system works well. If this were not the case perhaps your suggestion should be considered.

    Your suggestion is a) inefficient b) weakens the objective and impartial nature of civil service appointments and c) is unnecessary as the current system appoints quality and highly suitably qualified staff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 ColcloughP


    ezra_pound wrote: »
    So you ARE saying 7000 or whatever amount of applicants there are should be subjectively shortlisted?

    The benefit of this is questionable. For example I have never met a junior diplomat or AO who seemed to me not to have the relevant qualifications or to be in any way unsuitable for the role. In other words the current system works well. If this were not the case perhaps your suggestion should be considered.

    Your suggestion is a) inefficient b) weakens the objective and impartial nature of civil service appointments and c) is unnecessary as the current system appoints quality and highly suitably qualified staff.

    Yes, of course you meet AOs and 3rd Secs who are qualified, but that's only because they're selecting the few qualified applicants out of the few hundred who make it through phase 1, however, there's no way of knowing whether or not there was someone more qualified that didn't make it through phase 1. That's because right now out of the people who make it through phase 1, only a fraction are even qualified enough to ever have gotten the job.

    If you processed application forms instead, you would have people going in for an interview, everyone would be qualified. Speaking in terms of raw statistics, surely when you interview a group of 100 people for a job, you are more likely to get the best person for the job if 100% of the interviewees are qualified for the job compared to a mere fraction of 100%.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    The misunderstanding of both what certain university degrees entail and what the role of an AO is in the Civil Service in this thread is staggering. Honestly this thread reads like a conversation you'd hear between week old first years walking down the concourse in UCD. If people make it through the online assessment they'd do well to read up on the role or even try to talk to an actual AO. Suffice to say for the most part nobody will care that you have a degree in accounting or women's studies and the chances of you working in either of those areas would be slim.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭keepkeyyellow


    Does anyone who did the last AO comp remember how long it took them to get results? Was looking at the CO one and it took 6-7 weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 connmel


    Does anyone who did the last AO comp remember how long it took them to get results? Was looking at the CO one and it took 6-7 weeks.

    For the EO competition earlier this year it was 2 weeks later.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 197 ✭✭daithi84


    Just realised i only did 2 out of the 3 tests :-(

    There goes my chances


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭Armaghmagic


    Sorry to hear that Daithi.

    I see that they are recruiting EOs for the transport authority if you want to throw your hat into that ring?

    Check Public Jobs or National Transport Authority website! Dont lose faith yet :-)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fiachr_a


    ColcloughP wrote: »
    But surely a 4 year long BA and/or a masters is a better metric than a 20 minute test. As far as I can tell, the only thing those tests accurately measure is someone's ability to speed-read, which is hardly analogous with intelligence.
    They test how sharp your mind is supposed to be. A lot of very dull minds have degrees.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    fiachr_a wrote: »
    They test how sharp your mind is supposed to be. A lot of very dull minds have degrees.

    There may very well be a significant additional weighting given to the psychometric/work-skills test this time round (perhaps someone might like PAS to clarify). The numeracy- doesn't count (other than a pass mark being necessary).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    I think the AP results just started coming out today so once they clear anything from that, they'll probably get onto the results for this competition.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Slydice wrote: »
    I think the AP results just started coming out today so once they clear anything from that, they'll probably get onto the results for this competition.

    Getting the HEO out the door is high priority too- its going to be an interesting few weeks ahead...........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭Bobby04


    Slydice wrote: »
    I think the AP results just started coming out today .....

    Do you know that for a fact? Curious because that's not what people are saying on the AP thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Bobby04 wrote: »
    Do you know that for a fact? Curious because that's not what people are saying on the AP thread.

    Shur... let's give it a week and we'll see :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 385 ✭✭Bobby04


    Slydice wrote: »
    Shur... let's give it a week and we'll see :)

    :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    Getting the HEO out the door is high priority too- its going to be an interesting few weeks ahead...........

    Is there a HEO competition on the way?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    Is there a HEO competition on the way?

    Yup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    Yup.

    Cool hadn't heard that. Any idea if there'll be internal/interdepartmental aspects to it?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    Cool hadn't heard that. Any idea if there'll be internal/interdepartmental aspects to it?

    There is.
    I don't have much info on it- and I don't want to speculate in the absence.
    Apparently some Departments are being laggards and trying to delay the competition- as they have internal panels in place who they haven't placed yet.
    There is also an argument over what date the panel ratios will apply from.
    PSEU reps should have more info.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,787 ✭✭✭Aglomerado


    There is.
    I don't have much info on it- and I don't want to speculate in the absence.
    Apparently some Departments are being laggards and trying to delay the competition- as they have internal panels in place who they haven't placed yet.
    There is also an argument over what date the panel ratios will apply from.
    PSEU reps should have more info.

    There's an internal panel in my Department, and about half of them have been promoted in the last year. They've still to get to me though... :o


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Aglomerado wrote: »
    There's an internal panel in my Department, and about half of them have been promoted in the last year. They've still to get to me though... :o

    The proposal is its to be what will be the first ever external HEO competition with an equal External/Interdepartment/Internal split- 1:1:1 with the ratios to be set dated back to the 1st of July last (same as for the AP panels). If there are internal HEO promotions since the 1st of July- there would have to be commensurate appointments from both the new (to be) constituted external and interdepartmental panels.

    Its not just one Department dragging its feet though- apparently, its several.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭Riamfada


    Hi,

    Does anyone know when there will be more information from the department about the administrative officer positions. Did the online exam a few weeks ago and have heard nothing since.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭Halpenny


    We're expecting AO results before the end of the week. PAS stated this on twitter.

    Also there's an active thread on the graduate campaign: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057495516


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Mac0783


    The results are out. :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 hard copy


    Just got results, ranked in the low 600's but according to the message they're only taking 250 to next stage. Happy enough as thought I might have failed numerical but seems like a very low number to take to 2nd stage


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 hard copy


    Just got results, ranked in the low 600's but according to the message they're only taking 250 to next stage. Happy enough as thought I might have failed numerical but seems like a very low number to take to 2nd stage

    (seems to be 2 threads on this which maybe should be merged)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Congratulations on reaching the qualifying standard- however, we're only calling the top 250 to the next stage.......... :(
    Apparently they had just shy of 4000 applicants.

    Well done to those of you who are in the top 250.

    Its so damn annoying that the numeracy isn't counted- and I really don't think its fair in today's day and age........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭jameskil


    hard copy wrote: »
    Just got results, ranked in the low 600's but according to the message they're only taking 250 to next stage. Happy enough as thought I might have failed numerical but seems like a very low number to take to 2nd stage

    well done - in the 1500s here :(
    lost points on the assessment questionnaire. Seems pointless having a numerical exam when its not counted overall. Ill never get called anyway


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭keepkeyyellow


    550s - assessment questionnaire screwed me over the most


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