[NSFW] Topless protesters pulled from stage at Muslim religious conference

Cabaal

http://www.thejournal.ie/protesters-stage-muslim-conference-2329129-Sep2015/

MEMBERS OF THE activist group Femen were dragged off stage after interrupting a religious conference in Paris on Saturday evening.

In a video of the incident a man can be seen attempting to kick one of the women.

Following this they were handed over to police, who were thanks by the group for protecting them.

The event was taking place in the Pontoise exhibition centre in the north of Paris.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM-wxU86v8g

Looked like the group going after the women got more then one kick in,

looksee

I don't see how you can make an issue out of that nonsense. If they had interrupted any conference with any sort of protest they would have been bundled out. That's what Security people are employed for, they did their job.

Cabaal

looksee wrote: »

I don't see how you can make an issue out of that nonsense. If they had interrupted any conference with any sort of protest they would have been bundled out. That's what Security people are employed for, they did their job.

Moved off the stage, yep you're spot on.
Being physically attacked though isn't on no matter where the protest is and death threads being sent to the group after certainly isn't on.

Femen spokesperson, Inna Shevchenko tweeted her thanks for all the support the group had received and also stated that a number of death threats had been received.

As for calling the protest nonsense, to be fair its not and its a legit protest

silverharp

Clearly at least one guy assaulted the women by kicking them. However I hope the 2 protesters are charged with something. Id go with the free speech angle here . people shouldn't be going around sabotaging each others conferences. Have a peaceful roadside one if you must

Cabaal

silverharp wrote: »

Clearly at least one guy assaulted the women by kicking them. However I hope the 2 protesters are charged with something. Id go with the free speech angle here . people shouldn't be going around sabotaging each others conferences. Have a peaceful roadside one if you must

I'm sure they will be charged with something, but to be fair anyone that assaulted them should also be charged.

Yes there is a time and place for protests, but given part of this conference was discussing the rights and wrong of beating wifes its understandably emotive.

The bottom line is there is no good that came come from beating a women and its insane that in our modern day society that anybody can even bring this matter to a discussion for reasons to beat a women.

If the conference was talking about times where women should or could beat men their would be outcry about it and rightly so,

silverharp

Cabaal wrote: »

I'm sure they will be charged with something, but to be fair anyone that assaulted them should also be charged.

Yes there is a time and place for protests, but given part of this conference was discussing the rights and wrong of beating wifes its understandably emotive.

The bottom line is there is no good that came come from beating a women and its insane that in our modern day society that anybody can even bring this matter to a discussion for reasons to beat a women.

If the conference was talking about times where women should or could beat men their would be outcry about it and rightly so,

I only heard about this because of the protest but an articulate media campsign ahead of this would have been more useful. Most people still aren't aware that Muslims sit around discussing this stuff in large groups.
I was more surprised that feminists are taking any action at all , maybe the patriarchal air conditioning in offices story is done for this year

jungleman

In fairness, the actual security guards approached the stage calmly and it looked like they just wanted to escort the women off quietly.

It looks like the stage was rushed by crowd members though, and they were the ones who stuck the boot in.

Cabaal wrote: »

The bottom line is there is no good that came come from beating a women and its insane that in our modern day society that anybody can even bring this matter to a discussion for reasons to beat a women.

While I agree with the sentiment, context is key. In this instance, obviously no violence was needed. The guys who started kicking the women behaved like animals, it was completely unjustified.

That said, if for instance, a woman started beating me around the face and head with a stiletto, or if I saw a woman attack my little sister, I would have no problem at all throwing a punch, regardless of the attackers gender.

silverharp

In fairness I believe Mohammed beat his wife for leaving the house without permission so I doubt they are talking about self defence

looksee

Given that this was an assembly of conservative, pea-brained, primitive, misogynists the very fact that they were discussing the topic of how to treat women, while risible and disgusting to us, is an improvement on taking it for granted that they have rights to abuse and subjugate women. How is this protest supposed to help the situation?

Why would anyone think that these men's attitudes could be changed by acting in the most provocative and - to them - offensive manner possible? Surely it is only confirming in their pathetic little minds that women need to be kept under control?

Yes I understand that this is infuriating and their attitudes should be smashed, but you don't force people to change their attitudes. These are some of the most arrogant, obnoxious, self-satisfied people in the world, and they think they are great!

It took a great deal of courage and frustration to do what those women did, and it would be good to think that, if nothing else, the film would draw attention to the (official) attitudes of (some) Muslim men, but those same men are far more likely to see it as confirmation of their bias. It might have been more effective to stand outside the conference centre with placards to the effect 'These pathetic men are discussing whether they should continue to beat women!'

Cabaal

looksee wrote: »

Given that this was an assembly of conservative, pea-brained, primitive, misogynists the very fact that they were discussing the topic of how to treat women, while risible and disgusting to us, is an improvement on taking it for granted that they have rights to abuse and subjugate women. How is this protest supposed to help the situation?

Why would anyone think that these men's attitudes could be changed by acting in the most provocative and - to them - offensive manner possible? Surely it is only confirming in their pathetic little minds that women need to be kept under control?

Yes I understand that this is infuriating and their attitudes should be smashed, but you don't force people to change their attitudes. These are some of the most arrogant, obnoxious, self-satisfied people in the world, and they think they are great!

err, can't the suffragette movement be talked about in the same way?

Women interrupting horse races etc because they want the right to vote. Women putting themselves in mortal danger and atleast in one instance getting themselves killed.
Sure that only confirms the mindset that women shouldn't have the vote, they are only showing themselves up, you can't change mindsets by protesting and pissing small minded people off.

Yet thats exactly what they did, they changed minds. History looks back on these women as campaigns for a cause, even those that intentionally put themselves in mortal danger such as the women I linked above have monuments to them in government buildings.

It took a great deal of courage and frustration to do what those women did, and it would be good to think that, if nothing else, the film would draw attention to the (official) attitudes of (some) Muslim men, but those same men are far more likely to see it as confirmation of their bias. It might have been more effective to stand outside the conference centre with placards to the effect 'These pathetic men are discussing whether they should continue to beat women!'

Thing is we don't know for a fact that all men in the conference are thinking the same way on the subject, its very possible that this protest may have gotten some men and women at the conference thinking about how oppressed women really are.

I say women because the video showed women that were not protestors in it,

Nodin

Cabaal wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/protesters-stage-muslim-conference-2329129-Sep2015/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM-wxU86v8g

By the moobs of the Prophet!!!!!!

looksee

Cabaal wrote: »

err, can't the suffragette movement be talked about in the same way?

Women interrupting horse races etc because they want the right to vote. Women putting themselves in mortal danger and atleast in one instance getting themselves killed.
Sure that only confirms the mindset that women shouldn't have the vote, they are only showing themselves up, you can't change mindsets by protesting and pissing small minded people off.

Yet thats exactly what they did, they changed minds. History looks back on these women as campaigns for a cause, even those that intentionally put themselves in mortal danger.

Yes of course the suffragette movement could be talked about in the same way. I am not objecting to protest, I am just suggesting that this was not the most useful way of going about it. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong. I do know that the treatment of women is not going to be influenced by 'Western' attitudes - those women might well have made a difference by appearing clothed and protesting. There would have been less 'excuse' for the men assaulting them, and the assault would be seen for what it was.

Thing is we don't know for a fact that all men in the conference are thinking the same way on the subject, its very possible that this protest may have gotten some men and women at the conference thinking about how oppressed women really are.

I say women because the video showed women that were not protestors in it,

It is quite possible (admittedly not all that likely given the mob attitude of some of the men at the conference - not the security men) that the whole conference was geared towards improving attitudes towards women - it should not be necessary by our standards, but evidently it is by their's. In that case what did they achieve?

In a society that is so primitive that a person's head can be hacked off - officially - in the street it needs a good deal more subtlety (mass civil disobedience for example) to make any changes.

recedite

Feminists V Misogynists.
Misogynists knock Feminists to the ground and kick them viciously while they are down.
It was all over quicker than a Conor McGregor fight, and a bit more brutal too.

endacl

silverharp wrote: »

Clearly at least one guy assaulted the women by kicking them. However I hope the 2 protesters are charged with something. Id go with the free speech angle here . people shouldn't be going around sabotaging each others conferences. Have a peaceful roadside one if you must

A roadside protest with boobies? I'm imagining lots and lots of crashes...

jackofalltrades

I'd say this was one of the few times that protesters were happy that security were there.
The lads getting kicks in, while the protester was on the ground should be charged with assault.

Amazed this conference was targeted, as feminists generally seem to leave Islam alone.
The protest could have done with a bit more publicity though.

feargale

Cabaal wrote: »

As for calling the protest nonsense, to be fair its not and its a legit protest

I wonder how much talk of a legit protest we would read here if naked men interrupted a feminist conference.
Huh?

endacl

I'd say that security guard felt a right tit.

Edgarfrndly

feargale wrote: »

I wonder how much talk of a legit protest we would read here if naked men interrupted a feminist conference.
Huh?

I think that's a red herring to be fair. Islam is seen as subjugating women, and forcing them to cover up. The same can't be said for women towards men in a general context.

magicbastarder

silverharp wrote: »

I only heard about this because of the protest but an articulate media campsign ahead of this would have been more useful.

well, the fact that they made the news means that probably more people are aware that there was a conference on the ins and outs of beating your wife (going by what i've read here) than would have happened with a well meaning media campaign.

silverharp

magicbastarder wrote: »

well, the fact that they made the news means that probably more people are aware that there was a conference on the ins and outs of beating your wife (going by what i've read here) than would have happened with a well meaning media campaign.

it depends, months on I cant recall what the protest was about just that there was a protest.

feargale

Edgarfrndly wrote: »

I think that's a red herring to be fair. Islam is seen as subjugating women, and forcing them to cover up. The same can't be said for women towards men in a general context.

Your understanding of gross over-generalisation doesn't seem to even add up to your grasp of ichthyology. There are shades of Islam, and believe me if you don't know it already or if you're not googling enough, there sure as hell are shades of feminism too. The response to this protest may not have been as measured as it should be, but to call the protest legit??? Sweet Jesus, is there no proportionality in Boards?

legspin

endacl wrote: »

A roadside protest with boobies? I'm imagining lots and lots of crashes...

The Danes don't think so....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3HueAryUxU

(More NSFW that the OP.)

vicwatson

legspin wrote: »

The Danes don't think so....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3HueAryUxU

(More NSFW that the OP.)

The Policemans name in the video? - Bent Koch Hansen !! :D:D

Hotblack Desiato

silverharp wrote: »

it depends, months on I cant recall what the protest was about just that it involved boobs

fyp

Michael OBrien

silverharp wrote: »

it depends, months on I cant recall what the protest was about just that there was a protest.

It was a conferance on the rights of women in Islam. Women were not part of it.
The protest may have been a bit disruptive but was not violent, the reaction to it definitely was. It was not a case where the women were simple escorted off by security, as that is what you would expect to happen,but that muslims lost their minds and some actually attacked the women, calling for their deaths.