Richmond 2015 UCI Road World Championships - Spoiler tags req'd or start race threads

godtabh

Looks like Ireland will have a some what weakend senior squad with out Roche, Martin and Brammeier.

Roche confirmed today in is Indo article that the Vuelta was his last race this season.

Beasty

Full Team here

Only Sam Bennett and Conor Dunne in the men's senior road race, with Siobhan Horgan, Olivia Dillon and Fiona Meade making up the senior women's team

U23 representation is in the form of Ryan Mullen and Eddie Dunbar, with Michael O'Loughlin, Simon Tuomey, Adam Stenson, Darragh O'Mahony and Ciara Doogan making up the junior team

Taxuser1

the Junior selection was probably a tough one, a lot of those lads are flying.

Yesterday's Laragh Classic has 3 of the NRPT Juniors in the Top 10, two of them first years.

Ciara Doogan could go very well, really strong rider.

godtabh

Can we not send more than 2? I though it was at least 3

RobFowl

godtabh wrote: »

Can we not send more than 2? I though it was at least 3

No point sending someone just for the sake of it, the have to be able to make a contribution at the very least.

godtabh

RobFowl wrote: »

No point sending someone just for the sake of it, the have to be able to make a contribution at the very least.

Experience?

RobFowl

godtabh wrote: »

Experience?

A lot of money from a tight budget to send someone somewhere they are out of their depth...

neris

Can they not use a U23 in the senior team or can they only compete in one category?

RobFowl

neris wrote: »

Can they not use a U23 in the senior team or can they only compete in one category?

They didn't qualify for the U23 worlds unfortunately but thats a different thread...

godtabh

RobFowl wrote: »

They didn't qualify for the U23 worlds unfortunately but thats a different thread...

Could Mullen not ride then? Or would that rule out his TT effort?

RobFowl

godtabh wrote: »

Could Mullen not ride then? Or would that rule out his TT effort?

Have to ride either u23 or elite, can't ride both cats

harringtonp

RobFowl wrote: »

They didn't qualify for the U23 worlds unfortunately but thats a different thread...

"Dunbar will also be in action in the Under 23 Road Race on Friday 25th following the UCI’s announcement of additional quotas for this event."

MPFGLB

What about Damien Shaw or Philip Deignan ????


I know Nico is knackered but surely has to ask questions ..if so knackered and caught up cannot ride for his country...Not in the nationals nor in the Worlds ...poor

Had no problem when at Ag2R and leader and even at TCS rode worlds

Beasty

MPFGLB wrote: »

I know Nico is knackered but surely has to ask questions ..if so knackered and caught up cannot ride for his country...Not in the nationals nor in the Worlds ...poor

I'm knackered and have not ridden the Tour or the Vuelta this year


:P

RobFowl

MPFGLB wrote: »

What about Philip Deignan ????

I'd say its the rubbish training and policies of the team he's in

morana

RobFowl wrote: »

I'd say its the rubbish training and policies of the team he's in

and he is all tied up with Lizzie!!!!

Preparing for the wedding is tough business

MPFGLB

RobFowl wrote: »

I'd say its the rubbish training and policies of the team he's in

Geraint Thomas who has been racing since spring inc cobble classics, Tour de France , Vuelta ,etc is leading UK team

Poor showing by Irish pros imo whatever the reasons

RobFowl

MPFGLB wrote: »

Geraint Thomas who has been racing since spring inc cobble classics, Tour de France , Vuelta ,etc is leading UK team

And he didn't win a classic, blew up at the Tour and was nowhere to be seen at the Vuelta :cool:

Pudsy33

Very disappointing that neither Roche or Martin are lining out I have to say. They both could have done well on a hard and selective race. It looks bad on the federation and the riders. The U23 road race situation is a disgrace.

MPFGLB

THomas won a classic this year , was fantastic at PR and was the primary reason Froome won the Tour plus he won stages race in spring and started at Tour down Under

To say he didn't ride one of the hardest season is to be blind

RobFowl

MPFGLB wrote: »

THomas won a classic this year

Did he?
Thought the best he managed was the E3 Harelbeke but maybe I was mistaken.

Pudsy33

RobFowl wrote: »

Did he?
Thought the best he managed was the E3 Harelbeke but maybe I was mistaken.

E3 would be considered a classic. He didn't win a monument or anything but still a good performance.

Beasty

Everyone is going to be different. Some "enjoy" pounding away week after week, others need a break. Can't imagine Chris Froome was thinking too much about the Worlds and getting into Team GB after the year he has had

I think though that it's one hell of a challenge to get yourself up for the Tour, then the Vuelta and still have something left to have a serious dig at the Worlds. I suspect Geraint Thomas may not be Team GB's main man there and will do what he does remarkably well, acting as support for the likes of Cav (if fit) or Ben Swift (as will others such as Ian Stannard and Alex Dowsett)

Ireland does not have the luxury of a full team and hence anyone participating is going to have to make do with whatever alliances they can form on the day. If Nico had a Team Sky to help him out he may have thought differently.

MPFGLB

Beasty wrote: »

Everyone is going to be different. Some "enjoy" pounding away week after week, others need a break. Can't imagine Chris Froome was thinking too much about the Worlds and getting into Team GB after the year he has had

I think though that it's one hell of a challenge to get yourself up for the Tour, then the Vuelta and still have something left to have a serious dig at the Worlds. I suspect Geraint Thomas may not be Team GB's main man there and will do what he does remarkably well, acting as support for the likes of Cav (if fit) or Ben Swift (as will others such as Ian Stannard and Alex Dowsett)

Ireland does not have the luxury of a full team and hence anyone participating is going to have to make do with whatever alliances they can form on the day. If Nico had a Team Sky to help him out he may have thought differently.

I agree with all that but the things is Roche used get himself up for the Worlds after riding (as GC leader) at Tour & Vuelta and many races.
Seems the requirements at SKY are too knackering !!

Thomas is leading for UK according to cycling news

Also where is Dan Martin ??

If he can ride Lombardia he can ride Worlds ??


Neither riding the nationals nor the Worlds ....you have to ask questions...about commitment and programme

Rod Elligsworth is making sure the UK lads who ride for SKY are ready for worlds it seems...incStannard, Swift , etc

gordongekko

Dan said he didn't want to travel across the Atlantic to ride a course that didn't suit him.

Beasty

MPFGLB wrote: »

Rod Elligsworth is making sure the UK lads who ride for SKY are ready for worlds it seems...incStannard, Swift , etc

But not Froome, and possibly not Cav (who did the ToB rather than the Vuelta)

MPFGLB

If Nico had a Team Sky to help him out he may have thought differently.

You ride for your country and do the best you can (as most countries do) without the guarantee of wining...Only about 20 riders can realistically win the RR this year

Brian?

Pudsy33 wrote: »

E3 would be considered a classic. He didn't win a monument or anything but still a good performance.

E3 isn't a classic. It's a semi classic.

godtabh

This even more puzzling

Stick Bottle wrote:

Deignan appears to have been overlooked, as he is in north America at present racing with Team Sky.

Deignan is racing in Canada (I assume) and isnt in the squad. Money is always an excuse so why bother then?

MPFGLB

How much can it cost to fly Philip Deignan to Richmond and keep him a few days and fly him back to Europe. You'd think Sam Bennett would need someone with experience to help him or why bother at all


Some thing just doesn't add up

Brian?

MPFGLB wrote: »

How much can it cost to fly Philip Deignan to Richmond and keep him a few days and fly him back to Europe. You'd think Sam Bennett would need someone with experience to help him or why bother at all


Some thing just doesn't add up

I understand why you're upset. But it makes no sense to have Deignan, Roche or Martin at the worlds. If they were there the best they could hope for was to roll in in the bunch.

Pudsy33

Brian? wrote: »

E3 isn't a classic. It's a semi classic.

Do monuments=classics then? Or can a race be a classic without being a monument? Are the GPs of Quebec and Montreal classics? Genuinely curious about the distinctions.

MPFGLB

Brian? wrote: »

I understand why you're upset. But it makes no sense to have Deignan, Roche or Martin at the worlds. If they were there the best they could hope for was to roll in in the bunch.

As I said Sam Bennett needs help and without Roche & Martin Philip Deignan is the best bet

I am not upset I am puzzled as to the lack of commitment for riding for your country and as I said you do so (as most riders do) without the guarantee of a result

Pudsy33

We are gonna miss Brammier too, pity he is hurt. He's would have been a good helper for sam.

Brian?

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Do monuments=classics then? Or can a race be a classic without being a monument? Are the GPs of Quebec and Montreal classics? Genuinely curious about the distinctions.

All monuments are classics. Then there are classics that are not monuments: San Sebastian, Amsterdam Gold, Fleche Wallone etc. .

Below that we have semi classics: E3 Harlebeke, Oomlap van Neusblad and other really hard names to spell.

I suppose the races in Quebec and Montreal would be semi classics. It's more clear cut with European races though.

RobFowl

Pudsy33 wrote: »

E3 would be considered a classic. He didn't win a monument or anything but still a good performance.

E3 would be considered a semi Classic at best ....

Beasty

MPFGLB wrote: »

I am not upset I am puzzled as to the lack of commitment for riding for your country and as I said you do so (as most riders do) without the guarantee of a result

These guys have to make a living and indeed fund their pensions. At the stage someone like Nico is in his career he needs to really focus on doing his job. They never know what's round the next corner and a major crash could be career ending. He's not going to get paid for riding the Worlds and there is probably little it could do for him career-wise

It's slightly different for the likes of Sam who can use something like the Worlds to raise their profile even further (and he's the type of rider, unlike Nico, who may even have an outside chance)

Pudsy33

Brian? wrote: »

All monuments are classics. Then there are classics that are not monuments: San Sebastian, Amsterdam Gold, Fleche Wallone etc. .

Below that we have semi classics: E3 Harlebeke, Oomlap van Neusblad and other really hard names to spell.

I suppose the races in Quebec and Montreal would be semi classics. It's more clear cut with European races though.

Sweet, thanks.

Brian?

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Sweet, thanks.

No worries. I butchered the spelling of Oomlap het Nosebleed though. Watch out for that.

Thud

Did Dan not say after his fall that he might be back in time for Lombardia but this was prob too soon?

Pudsy33

Thud wrote: »

Did Dan not say after his fall that he might be back in time for Lombardia but this was prob too soon?

He said he wanted to him time with Garmin on a high so I took it to mean he would race Lombardia.

slow

The Olympics is in Brazil next year. Will that be too far to travel?

morana

slow wrote: »

The Olympics is in Brazil next year. Will that be too far to travel?

well if they go please ask them to race not like london!!!

Pudsy33

slow wrote: »

The Olympics is in Brazil next year. Will that be too far to travel?

I hope Martin and Roche take it seriously, it's a climbers dream.

MPFGLB

Pudsy33 wrote: »

I hope Martin and Roche take it seriously, it's a climbers dream.

The thing is they need to ensure their programmes are set to include some sort of peak for Rio & the worlds ...other riders with hard seasons manage to do this...

Whatever you say about pensions & riding not for 1st or potential crashing...its all smoke and mirrors ...You have to make some commitment in your programme to ride the World & Olympics well

And if riders like Thomas & Stannard can do it ...I am not convinced by any argument on here why the best Irish riders can't

Its a commitment issue plain & simple... If your team is having you ride too much then negotiate

As for the non selection of Philip Deignan ...i see no credible argument for that either

RobFowl

I take it all back, Thomas is a legend.

wav1

I feel we should have taken up our full allocation regardless.OK there are guys who are not available for whatever reason,but still think we should have sent a third rider.Ronan Mc Loughlin raised a few eyebrows when selected on the three rider team for Valkenberg in 2012,but ended up doing a very respectable ride and I am pretty sure its one of the highlights of his career,and a proud one[even though the three riders did all have different kit]

wav1

RobFowl wrote: »

I take it all back, Thomas is a legend.

He's not.Remember he referred to Dan Martin as the Irish Guy with the brummy accent?

Beasty

wav1 wrote: »

He's not.Remember he referred to Dan Martin as the Irish Guy with the brummy accent?

Was there anything inaccurate with that statement ?

RobFowl

wav1 wrote: »

He's not.Remember he referred to Dan Martin as the Irish Guy with the brummy accent?

My tongue may have been in my cheek when referring to the leek eating rider who blew up in the tdf, sleepwalked his way round the vuelta and pulled out of the worlds

RobFowl

Beasty wrote: »

Was there anything inaccurate with that statement ?

God save the Queen