IQ test

So I did an IQ test and did very well on it, I am bit sceptical of the results. I would consider my self intelligent but noting extraordinary.

Do you think IQ tests can really measure intelligence

They are a good way of screening people.

Anyone who talks about their IQ test results, or posts them on Facebook, should be avoided at all costs.

Maximus Alexander

I did one and I got 85, which is an A right? So yeah I think they're very accurate because I am samrt.

But can actual intelligence be measured allowing for cultural bias etc.?

Sheep Lover

I got a 9, Is the test marked out of ten?

Maximus Alexander

mariaalice wrote: »

But can actual intelligence be measured allowing for cultural bias etc.?

You're the smart one, you tell us!

Conall Cernach

I think many online IQ tests are biased so that participants score highly in order for them to pay to get their results printed out in a large certificate.

rubadub

If it was done on a facebook link then you are a confirmed moron for thinking it's genuine. Divide your answer by at least 3.

Sky King

mariaalice wrote: »

Do you think IQ tests can really measure intelligence

They are good at measuring how well you do at an extremely specific set of problems. They can't measure empathy, diplomacy, creativity, tenacity, good judgement, common sense etc etc

Plus online tests tend to tell you you did well to get money out of you.

Menas

rubadub wrote: »

If it was done on a facebook link then you are a confirmed moron for thinking it's genuine. Divide your answer by at least 3.

Trouble is that if you are dumb enough to believe in facebook IQ test results then you are likely unable to know how to divide by three.

rubadub

rubadub wrote: »

If it was done on a facebook link then you are a confirmed moron for thinking it's genuine. Divide your answer by at least 3.

It wasn't a Facebook link.

toptom

M

toptom

Mumbo jumbo stuff really

johnayo

I won't bother taking the test because it would just confirm that I am thick stupid.:D

Sky King

Sky King wrote: »

They are good at measuring how well you do at an extremely specific set of problems. They can't measure empathy, diplomacy, creativity, tenacity, good judgement, common sense etc etc

Plus online tests tend to tell you you did well to get money out of you.

The civil service tries to test for diplomacy and the like with multiple choice answers eg: a minister has asked for something awkward - I decided that I would be honest with myself went for option (d) and told the minister to get lost. I didn't get the job.

biko

mariaalice wrote: »

Do you think IQ tests can really measure intelligence

They do somewhat but you can't take the results as gospel. And a high IQ doesn't mean you'll get money nor being happy.
But to measure how well you will do in a certain field of work/school can be good. I think there is a benefit to standardized tests.

I also did the Myers–Briggs Type Indicator test recently and I think it was only reasonable accurst about my personality type but sort of fascinating as well.

rubadub

mariaalice wrote: »

It wasn't a Facebook link.

Where was it from? if you are not going to tell can you at least say if you think they had an interest in giving you a high score? many do, with good reason, but I can think of few reasons they would want to make it artificially high.

hal9000

I am so smrt!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcGQpjCztgA

eamonnq

mariaalice wrote: »

So I did an IQ test and did very well on it,

Congratulations!!

KomradeBishop

IQ tests are a pretty poor measure. If you sit down to an IQ test, and take your time about it, it's pretty easy to get every question right, as it's just logical deduction - it will just take a bit of time until you hit on the right way to figure out the question - whereas if you have a time limit or get bored and say 'fúck it, good enough answer', you can end up getting a lot wrong.

Menas

KomradeBishop wrote: »

IQ tests are a pretty poor measure. If you sit down to an IQ test, and take your time about it, it's pretty easy to get every question right, as it's just logical deduction - it will just take a bit of time until you hit on the right way to figure out the question - whereas if you have a time limit or get bored and say 'fúck it', you can end up getting a lot wrong.

And if you practice you can get better at doing these tests....which then becomes a measure of how good you are at doing the test rather then your intelligence.

eamonnq

rubadub wrote: »

Where was it from? if you are not going to tell can you at least say if you think they had an interest in giving you a high score? many do, with good reason, but I can think of few reasons they would want to make it artificially high.

Can you post a link, and then we could all take it and see do we all get high scores.

KomradeBishop

Menas wrote: »

And if you practice you can get better at doing these tests....which then becomes a measure of how good you are at doing the test rather then your intelligence.

Ya exactly - and if you do something like e.g. programming, you will be well used to the process/way-of-thinking that goes into doing such a test, and will probably outscore others.

There are whole wide-ranging areas of intelligence that IQ tests just don't measure.

masti123

There are next to no online test that can be accurate, the one on Mensa's site gives a ballpark number and is capped around 145...
And IQ is not a good way to measure how smart someone is, it's more of a showcase of ability to think logically and how fast you interpret information.

Mesrine65

I did a test for Mensa & passed...

Annual membership fee €60...fúck off, I'm not that thick.

KomradeBishop

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Ya exactly - and if you do something like e.g. programming, you will be well used to the process/way-of-thinking that goes into doing such a test, and will probably outscore others.

There are whole wide-ranging areas of intelligence that IQ tests just don't measure.

I agree with that, because the test I was given appeared to me to be biased towards those with a high level of verbal reasoning, plus if you knew the Latin routs of cetin words you would be quicker in the matching words section, what i found interesting was the fact that was set up in such a way that wrong answers were doubly penalised to counteract people guessing the answer and having a 50% chance of getting it right, in other words if you didn't know the answer it was framed to be better to skip it.

galljga1

What you really need is the Oxford Capacity Analysis.
There is a great little place on Middle Abbey Street where it is available.
Someday, you may even meet Xenu.

masti123

masti123 wrote: »

There are next to no online test that can be accurate, the one on Mensa's site gives a ballpark number and is capped around 145...
And IQ is not a good way to measure how smart someone is, it's more of a showcase of ability to think logically and how fast you interpret information.

Would the ability to think logically and how fast you interpret information not be a good measure of intelligence?

TheLastMohican

Menas wrote: »

Trouble is that if you are dumb enough to believe in facebook IQ test results then you are likely unable to know how to divide by three.

This is what that little yoke with numbered pressure pads is for. Idiot boy!

PizzamanIRL

I got an "Enter your email now and send us $5.99 to get your results sent to you!"

The fact that I didn't do what they asked tells me I'm smart enough.

Dard23

Anyone remember the DATS test? I think that's what it's called. I did it in school and again during my apprenticeship. It's better then an IQ test as it measures specific areas where you are strong and weak. I for instance was average at Maths but good at English, Mechanical reasoning and Spacial reasoning from what I remember.

Maximus Alexander

Dard23 wrote: »

Anyone remember the DATS test? I think that's what it's called. I did it in school and again during my apprenticeship. It's better then an IQ test as it measures specific areas where you are strong and weak. I for instance was average at Maths but good at English, Mechanical reasoning and Spacial reasoning from what I remember.

I remember that all right, we did it in transition year. I got 99th percentile in 3 of the categories, but memory obviously wasn't one of them, because I don't remember which three. :pac:

Then the guidance counsellor had a meeting with each student and used their DAT scores to suggest college courses that might suit them. "Well... let's see... You could doing anything you put your mind to Max".

Cheers buddy, thanks for the guidance. :rolleyes: I don't work in the field that my degree is in.

Turtwig

These types of tests are good for checking for learning disabilities and the like. Anything interpreted beyond that though should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Sanity_Saviour

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I remember that all right, we did it in transition year. I got 99th percentile in 3 of the categories, but memory obviously wasn't one of them, because I don't remember which three. :pac:

Then the guidance counsellor had a meeting with each student and used their DAT scores to suggest college courses that might suit them. "Well... let's see... You could doing anything you put your mind to Max".

Cheers buddy, thanks for the guidance. :rolleyes: I don't work in the field that my degree is in.

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Deleted User wrote: »

They are a good way of screening people.

Anyone who talks about their IQ test DATS results, or posts them on Facebook, should be avoided at all costs.

Maximus Alexander

You're doing a poor job of avoiding me so far. I wish you were better at it.

zeffabelli

mariaalice wrote: »

So I did an IQ test and did very well on it, I am bit sceptical of the results. I would consider my self intelligent but noting extraordinary.

Do you think IQ tests can really measure intelligence

No. They can measure a specific type of thinking. They look for one answer....

Creative connective thinking can create many answers, so can lateral thinking.

Badly Drunk Boy

hal9000 wrote: »

I am so smrt!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcGQpjCztgA

Any time I see that, I think of my favourite Slovenian band, Laibach, and their song 'Smrt Za Smrt' (Death For Death).

Laibach just played 2 gigs in North Korea 2 weeks ago, becoming one of the only western acts to do so. Their set included a medley of Sound Of Music songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv-9digMM1w

smiling at the "if you had all the time in the world bit "... that's why they are timed, I should think
I think they're alright at judging potential intelligence but it's up to you to translate that to real world results or achievements, and lack of one doesn't preclude the other

KomradeBishop

Generally intelligence tests - of most varieties from what I can see - don't seem to have a time limit.

osarusan

bluewolf wrote: »

smiling at the "if you had all the time in the world bit "... that's why they are timed, I should think

The timing adds an extra component though, which may force students to move on to another question before they've given as much thought to a question as they otherwise would, and some students would get more answers right if they had more time.

So a timed test isn't purely a test of intelligence (or language comprehension, or whatever the test is testing) but also (possibly unintentionally) of speed of thought process and exploration of possibility.

This time limit is something that is rarely necessary in situations outside the test itself - if you have a particularly puzzling problem at work, for example, you don't simply move on if you fail to solve it in 5 minutes, you stick with it until you have solved it or come to the conclusion that you will never solve it by yourself - so its value in testing is certainly open to criticism.

Of course, test-setters are aware of this and try to set times which limit the impact of the time-limit itself, but the impact of the time-limit (psychological impact also) cannot be completely negated.

meeeeh

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Generally intelligence tests - of most varieties from what I can see - don't seem to have a time limit.

The ones we did in school at psychology were definitely timed. It would make no sense not to time it.

not yet

mariaalice wrote: »

So I did an IQ test and did very well on it, I am bit sceptical of the results. I would consider my self intelligent but noting extraordinary.

Do you think IQ tests can really measure intelligence

Yeah, but can you sh!t standing up, that's the true measure of intelligence.

not yet

mariaalice wrote: »

So I did an IQ test and did very well on it, I am bit sceptical of the results. I would consider my self intelligent but noting extraordinary.

Do you think IQ tests can really measure intelligence

Have you met Christ our saviour and his young fella Jesus..?

osarusan

osarusan wrote: »

The timing adds an extra component though, which may force students to move on to another question before they've given as much thought to a question as they otherwise would, and some students would get more answers right if they had more time.

So a timed test isn't purely a test of intelligence (or language comprehension, or whatever the test is testing) but also of speed of thought process and exploration of possibility.

This time limit is something that is rarely necessary in situations outside the test itself - if you have a particularly puzzling problem at work, for example, you don't simply move on if you fail to solve it in 5 minutes, you stick with it until you have solved it or come to the conclusion that you will never solve it by yourself - so its value in testing is certainly open to criticism.

That interesting from another point, if you are not timed but are marked for getting a high score in the shortest time, however you will also do well if you get the test fully correct, so best out come is fully correct in the shortest time but you can do almost as well just by getting everything correct, the out come of the test means you will get a job/career you really want.

What they are really looking for in that sort of test is what sort of person you are and how you approach situations what sort of attitude to speed verses accuracy do you have, what's you attitude to risk different question will have different weighing, its often not just about getting the questions correct.

Thinking about this the thing about the most 'intelligent' people I know are the type that can absorb and sort huge amounts of technical and statistical information much quicker that the average person.

osarusan

mariaalice wrote: »

Thinking about this...

But imagine if you'd only been given 3 or 5 minutes to think about it before you had to move on to the next thing...you might not have reached that conclusion :pac:

Ave Sodalis

Mesrine65 wrote:

Annual membership fee €60...fúck off, I'm not that thick.

Mensa is proof that having a high IQ doesn't mean you're necessarily intelligent.

Seriously though, saying this as someone who has a high IQ, the tests are very limited in what they measure. If someone told me they had a high IQ, I wouldn't immediately think they must be smart. I would actually put more faith in someone with a high EQ, but at the end of the day, this is also just one test. Intelligence is quite subjective anyway, although society generally pretends otherwise. The Leaving Cert tends to be spouted as a big factor but I know more than one person who got over 550 points who are definitely unintelligent, and I know very smart people who are did poorly in their Leavung... as a wise man once said "if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing it's stupid".

meeeeh

osarusan wrote: »

But imagine if you'd only been given 3 or 5 minutes to think about it before you had to move on to the next thing...you might not have reached that conclusion :pac:

In fairness time management is a skill. I know a few very intelligent people and they can be very different in how they process things, in which areas they shine and also when. My iq in high school wasn't super high but it was well above average, I think it's on a level of a common moron atm because I deal with a lot less numerical or mathematical problems.

Also there are studies that show stress linked to poverty amongst other things will lower someone's IQ results. Better off people will reach better results, when you take away other factors like upbringing or whatever. It's interesting how our mind works but I Q definitely isn't a very good predictor how someone will do later in life.

OneOfThem

meeeeh wrote: »

The ones we did in school at psychology were definitely timed. It would make no sense not to time it.

Would timing not distort the results? Some people handle pressure better than others, which would effect performance?

osarusan

meeeeh wrote: »

In fairness time management is a skill.

Agreed, completely.

But my point is that a test which is designed to test something else can actually be testing time management unintentionally.

And the results of this test will be used to evaluate understanding of a particular subject, even though the results may actually demonstrate better time management rather than better understanding of the subject matter itself.