Road bike for climbing?

Alek

January 2016 is coming soon, together with a new Bike to Work credit.

My current N+1 aim is a lightest road bike possible within 1500e limit, available from LBS or online as long as the website deals with B2W scheme.

I'm looking for alu frame (I understand I can get more bang for the buck here when it comes to large manufacturers. Am I right?) and possibly Shimano components. (105?) although I guess Sram would be lighter. I don't mind lower end groupsets as long as they're light enough.

What are your suggestions?

Unknown Soldier

Alu = https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/endurace/2016/endurace-al-7-0.html

Has 50-34 with 11-32. You're more than able!


CF Version with 105 https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/endurace/2016/endurace-cf-7-0.html

And yes, I have been looking at Canyon Bike P0rn this evening

I can't help it!

Alek

Do they accept B2W? It has to be this particular one, my corpo will only deal with these middlemen.

godtabh

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

Alu = https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/endurace/2016/endurace-al-7-0.html

Has 50-34 with 11-32. You're more than able!


CF Version with 105 https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/endurace/2016/endurace-cf-7-0.html

And yes, I have been looking at Canyon Bike P0rn this evening

I can't help it!

The 105 version will be my next bike (once this one is paid off!)

Unknown Soldier

Alek wrote: »

Do they accept B2W? It has to be this particular one, my corpo will only deal with these middlemen.

Yes they do. They are register for Irish VAT.

It really depends on your company?

Basically my company sends the full amount to Canyon and then we internally sort out the BTW stuff,

For example, bike is 1500, That's sent to Canyon. Based on the highest BTW

It's 1500-1000, so its the 1000 is minus 510 and you are hit for 490 but you then have to pay the "over" 1000 of 500.

Bike = 990

I think.

Unknown Soldier

godtabh wrote: »

The 105 version will be my next bike (once this one is paid off!)

As I used to say to my missus..

L’Oréal

Because you're worth it...

jon1981

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

Yes they do. They are register for Irish VAT.

It really depends on your company?

Basically my company sends the full amount to Canyon and then we internally sort out the BTW stuff,

For example, bike is 1500, That's sent to Canyon. Based on the highest BTW

It's 1500-1000, so its the 1000 is minus 510 and you are hit for 490 but you then have to pay the "over" 1000 of 500.

Bike = 990

I think.

Assuming the OP is on the higher rate of tax, that's correct.

Unknown Soldier

jon1981 wrote: »

Assuming the OP is on the higher rate of tax, that's correct.

"Assuming the person using the BTW" is probably more accurate. :pac:

Alek

As far as I understand my company can only operate via these guys: https://www.biketowork.ie/ and not i.e. these: https://www.cyclescheme.ie/

They won't send money or do other accountancy themselves.

Daroxtar

YOU really need a lighter bike.....??
Struggling going uphill, ya?
GTFOH
:P

Alek

Struggling going uphill, ya?

Struggling going up leaderboards, that's all :P

Unknown Soldier

Alek wrote: »

As far as I understand my company can only operate via these guys: https://www.biketowork.ie/ and not i.e. these: https://www.cyclescheme.ie/

They won't send money or do other accountancy themselves.

Think outside the box?

I think, I think, I know a fella who's thought outside the box 4 times in the last three years.

He may be bullsh1tting though.

rtmie

Alek wrote:

As far as I understand my company can only operate via these guys:

You may need to get a different job so
:-)
LBS told me that the voucher guys charge the bike shop a commission so the bike shop has no wiggle room to haggle a discount with you. You may as a result end up paying pretty much list price.

kuro_man

Unknown Soldier wrote: »

Alu = https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/endurace/2016/endurace-al-7-0.html

Has 50-34 with 11-32. You're more than able!


CF Version with 105 https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/endurace/2016/endurace-cf-7-0.html

And yes, I have been looking at Canyon Bike P0rn this evening

I can't help it!

This seems to be the best value CF 105 bike at the moment...pity about Canyon's bad rep on customer service and the non-standard fork/headset/stem. Is the bike/price good enough to look passed those issues?

nilhg

For a lightweight (6.95kg claimed) alu bike with full Ultegra, this Radon is going to be hard to beat for value at €1500,

http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/radon-ignite-9.0-sl-239565/wg_id-6668

Sizing is like Cube i think, 58cm would be more like 56 in a lot of other models.

I had a Radon on hire for a week in Spain last year, one of the cheaper models, it was a lovely bit of kit, I was asking the cap in the hire shop about them, he loved them, very reliable.

lennymc

some of the al bikes are seriously light. changing the wheels on my caad to race tubs brings it down to 7.2 something kg. with pedals (330g), bottle cage and garmin mount. If I changed a few small bits and some lighter pedals it would easily be sub 7kg. Think its about 7.5 out of the box in a 52. Very stiff bike with aggressive race geometry. I've done a three hour spin on it and found it comfy. Raced it at the weekend and it was responsive, handled really well and fast. Really like it. You may get the ultegra version for about 1500 online. Dunno how that works out for you with b2w, but you should definately get the 105 version for your budget.

lennymc

lennymc wrote: »

some of the al bikes are seriously light. changing the wheels on my caad to race tubs brings it down to 7.2 something kg. with pedals (330g), bottle cage and garmin mount. If I changed a few small bits and some lighter pedals it would easily be sub 7kg. Think its about 7.5 out of the box in a 52. Very stiff bike with aggressive race geometry. I've done a three hour spin on it and found it comfy. Raced it at the weekend and it was responsive, handled really well and fast. Really like it. You may get the ultegra version for about 1500 online. Dunno how that works out for you with b2w, but you should definately get the 105 version for your budget.

CAAD10 would be my choice too.

The gearing is slightly taller at a mid compact chain ring of 52-36 though.

lennymc

my one is 36/28 which should get me over anything!
the 105 is 34/28 afaik.

Alek

36/27 is absolutely fine for me already, on a 11kg bike

I guess getting a cannondale on B2B is the most realistic - will look around for one

lethal dose

I would have already bought a CAAD 10 if it were available in anything other than stealth black (frame that is). I was in LBS last week and both Cannondale and Specialized will have the 2016 Alu frames launched in the coming weeks.

rtmie

nilhg wrote: »

For a lightweight (6.95kg claimed) alu bike with full Ultegra, this Radon is going to be hard to beat for value at €1500,

http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/radon-ignite-9.0-sl-239565/wg_id-6668

Sizing is like Cube i think, 58cm would be more like 56 in a lot of other models.

I had a Radon on hire for a week in Spain last year, one of the cheaper models, it was a lovely bit of kit, I was asking the cap in the hire shop about them, he loved them, very reliable.

I think OP said they are tied to BTW voucher which presumably means LBS. Not sure Radon available in that channel.

Alek

After some research I think I really fancy the new 2016 CAAD12 105 Disc... bit heavy (8.6kg compared to 8kg for non-disc ver.) and a bit over my budget (1800e approx), but....





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Interesting:

Raw frames are slightly lighter than the CAAD 10, 1o98 grams for the rim version and 1094 for the disc version.

jon1981

Is that yoke ^^ carbon?

Nevermind (used google). It's ALU

StevieGriff

What the hell is going on with them hoods?

Alek

them hoods?

Hydraulic disc brake reservoirs inside.

OleRodrigo

Alek wrote: »

Hydraulic disc brake reservoirs inside.

Alek

OleRodrigo wrote: »

...

yawn

onthefringe

Alek wrote: »

yawn

Horrendous looking levers... Horrendous
Don't care if they stop well they look s***e

A bike should look well too and cannondales do generally ... But there's no way I'd pay hard earned money for fuglyness

StevieGriff

Alek wrote: »

Hydraulic disc brake reservoirs inside.

I know. But I hadn't realised the 105 ones were gunna be so hideous. The ultegra spec ones are pretty bad but those...sweet jesus.

RonanCFD

Only €99 over budget:

http://www.bunnyhop.de/de/fahrraeder/rennrad/cannondale-caad10-force-racing-edition-2015

irishrover99

By the sounds of it Alek job uses vouchers so he can only by from a shop in Ireland.
Stand to be corrected on that but i was told this from my employer

lennymc

RonanCFD wrote: »

Only €99 over budget:

http://www.bunnyhop.de/de/fahrraeder/rennrad/cannondale-caad10-force-racing-edition-2015

i bought this from bunnyhop.de about 4 or 5 weeks ago. It was 1499 (plus 65 quid shipping and paypal charge). Really nice bike.

lethal dose

lennymc wrote: »

i bought this from bunnyhop.de about 4 or 5 weeks ago. It was 1499 (plus 65 quid shipping and paypal charge). Really nice bike.

Lovely choice of colour too.

rollingscone

Hydraulic road discs...have you tracked down one you can test ride.

OleRodrigo

Will be in a similar position next year and am looking at the Canyon Ultimate AL SLX with Ultegra. Its 200 above your budget but at 7.25 kilos and with the new Ultegra 11 speed its fantastic value ( the 105 5800 is incredibly smooth, so expecting the same from the new ultegra ) . Geometry is harsher than the Endurace, but should be a good bit more responsive for those hill attacks.

https://www.canyon.com/en-ie/road/ultimate/2016/ultimate-al-slx-9-0.html

Alek

Decided that financial benefits of buying online are better than what B2W can offer

So close to pulling the trigger on this one...

http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/radon-ignite-9.0-sl-239565/wg_id-6668

Full Ultegra and Ksyrium Elite wheelset... and under 7kgs.


Would and alu frame that light (1,170 g) be reliable long term?

rollingscone

Alek wrote: »

Decided that financial benefits of buying online are better than what B2W can offer

So close to pulling the trigger on this one...

http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/radon-ignite-9.0-sl-239565/wg_id-6668

Full Ultegra and Ksyrium Elite wheelset... and under 7kgs.


Would and alu frame that light (1,170 g) be reliable long term?

Which child are you selling?

Alek

Which child are you selling?

The inner one :P


No, I'm not. Nearly clicked on the big fat BUY button last night.... but then, at the last line of defense against the New Bike Demon, decided to check what would be the real scientific gains of having a 3kg lighter bike for hills.

Speed difference while climbing an 8%, 5km long hill:



Power needed to go up that hill @ 11kph:



As you can see, feck all for 1500e. If I was racing or something, it would be different, but I'm not spendng this kind of money for 4-5 places up the Strava leaderboards.

I know that a new bike would improve my motivation significantly, but novelty wears off and then I'd be left with another bike, no space to store it and endless deciding "which one should I take today"

Case closed.




For now

Lumen

Alek wrote: »

at the last line of defense against the New Bike Demon, decided to check what would be the real scientific gains of having a 3kg lighter bike for hills

No good can come from so called "science".

Alek

Alek wrote: »

The inner one :P


No, I'm not. Nearly clicked on the big fat BUY button last night.... but then, at the last line of defense against the New Bike Demon, decided to check what would be the real scientific gains of having a 3kg lighter bike for hills.

Speed difference while climbing an 8%, 5km long hill:



Power needed to go up that hill @ 11kph:



As you can see, feck all for 1500e. If I was racing or something, it would be different, but I'm not spendng this kind of money for 4-5 places up the Strava leaderboards.

I know that a new bike would improve my motivation significantly, but novelty wears off and then I'd be left with another bike, no space to store it and endless deciding "which one should I take today"

Case closed.




For now

Hey Alek, what site is that bike calculator from?

Alek

Hey Alek, what site is that bike calculator from?

http://bikecalculator.com/

Alek

Alek wrote: »

http://bikecalculator.com/

I actually know that site well, I didn't see the comparison on it any where!
Interesting.

Alek

Comparison tools are here: http://bikecalculator.com/oldStuff.html

kuro_man

Its €750 really - that's an aggressive bike, so you probably gain another minute on the descent for the other €750
If you do 750 climbs, that only €1 per climb - seems like a bargain to me

Alek

so you probably gain another minute on the descent

I can gain 3 or even more minutes at no cost, by undoing the brakes :P

BarryAlfaro

Really helpful suggestions here.Thumbs up.

cython

Alek wrote: »

I can gain 3 or even more minutes at no cost, by undoing the brakes :P

Probably only the once though, so probably €250 per minute per climb at that rate

Alek

Demons have won.

Funds are being allocated.

When is this Ice Cream hill climb Daragh?

http://www.radon-bikes.de/en/bikes/rennrad/wettkampf/ignite/ignite-90-sl/

rollingscone

Alek wrote: »

Demons have won.

Funds are being allocated.

When is this Ice Cream hill climb Daragh?

http://www.radon-bikes.de/en/bikes/rennrad/wettkampf/ignite/ignite-90-sl/

I'll be interested to know how you managed bike maintenance while homeless! ;p

Alek

Alek wrote: »

Demons have won.

Funds are being allocated.

When is this Ice Cream hill climb Daragh?

http://www.radon-bikes.de/en/bikes/rennrad/wettkampf/ignite/ignite-90-sl/

Sweet bike