Can you tax a car without insurance?

Jimmy Bottlehead

Forgot to declare the S2000 off the road back in May, but it was never used.

Anyways, I'm gonna declare it off the road again for the next three months. However, I have to pay the arrears (which is fine) but it's asking me for insurance details which I don't have as it wasn't insured while off the road.

Anyone know how to sort it?

Have you not recently sold the car to your wife/husband/partner?

RustyNut

You could transfer the ownership to someone close to you and the arrears disappear. It will put 2 more owners on the book but is legit, or you could just use makey uppy insurance details as there are no checks.

Jimmy Bottlehead

RustyNut wrote: »

You could transfer the ownership to someone close to you and the arrears disappear. It will put 2 more owners on the book but is legit, or you could just use makey uppy insurance details as there are no checks.

So supposing I were to sell my car to my father on September 1st. Send in log book, etc.

He has until the end of September to declare it off the road, is that right?

RustyNut

As long as its off the road, transfer it today to your dad, the log book will then be sent to him. Then do nothing until you are putting it back on the road. When you are putting it back you can bring the log book into your local tax office and transfer it back to yourself and tax it from that date with no back tax.

slimjimmc

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

So supposing I were to sell my car to my father on September 1st. Send in log book, etc.

He has until the end of September to declare it off the road, is that right?

No, he has 10 days from the date on the 'log book' to declare it off the road not a whole month.

Alanstrainor

Surely if you did sell it to your dad, and he decided it was too low to drive for the next three months and just kept it on the drive until he got a chance to sell it back to you. You wouldn't have to declare it off the road at all.

EDIT: I'm a bit late to the game...

ironclaw

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Forgot to declare the S2000 off the road back in May, but it was never used.

Anyways, I'm gonna declare it off the road again for the next three months. However, I have to pay the arrears (which is fine) but it's asking me for insurance details which I don't have as it wasn't insured while off the road.

Anyone know how to sort it?

Make up any policy number, even an old one. Its irrelevant and no idea why they even ask for it. I think its a half assed way to try get people to tax and insure.

Jimmy Bottlehead

Be jaysus, wasn't the aul fella having a midlife crisis today and was in the mood for a convertible. Handy!

wingnut

ironclaw wrote: »

Make up any policy number, even an old one. Its irrelevant and no idea why they even ask for it. I think its a half assed way to try get people to tax and insure.

+1 I'm too lazy to even look it up when renewing I just put in 111111111111111. Its not linked to any database it is literally a pointless exercise.

batskat

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Surely if you did sell it to your dad, and he decided it was too low to drive for the next three months and just kept it on the drive until he got a chance to sell it back to you. You wouldn't have to declare it off the road at all.

EDIT: I'm a bit late to the game...

Yep

However there is planning laws that make it illegal in some parts of Ireland to park a car in drive way or gardens or even fields for long durations exceeding 9 months

A car parked for more than 9 months becomes a permanent structure similar to caravan or shed and changes the purpose of the land from garden or driveway into building land . That requ9ires building permission . I dont invent this I just track that problem as i have several cars stored and its a issue my cousins farm have to hide the cars nows under hay stacks so government spy aerial pics dont expose the cars

Should be no issues for 3 months but the rules could change any time as cash strapped government wants all cars taxed even those parked in storage if they can .

Also if your father died while you wait for three months the car would go into his estate and other members of the family might inherit it

Safer to wait when you want to use the car sell it to dad and the next week buy it back

Just saying

Special Circumstances

batskat wrote: »

I dont invent this I just track that problem as i have several cars stored and its a issue my cousins farm have to hide the cars nows under hay stacks so government spy aerial pics dont expose the cars

WOW is it drones or helicopters or satellites they are using?

jca

batskat wrote: »

Yep

However there is planning laws that make it illegal in some parts of Ireland to park a car in drive way or gardens or even fields for long durations exceeding 9 months

A car parked for more than 9 months becomes a permanent structure similar to caravan or shed and changes the purpose of the land from garden or driveway into building land . That requ9ires building permission . I dont invent this I just track that problem as i have several cars stored and its a issue my cousins farm have to hide the cars nows under hay stacks so government spy aerial pics dont expose the cars

Should be no issues for 3 months but the rules could change any time as cash strapped government wants all cars taxed even those parked in storage if they can .

Also if your father died while you wait for three months the car would go into his estate and other members of the family might inherit it

Safer to wait when you want to use the car sell it to dad and the next week buy it back

Just saying

Ah here....will ya stop for God sake... go and get a pint or something to help you relax... If that was the case my aul fella would be up to his neck in tax bills, there's more abandoned projects around his place nor little(some of them mine btw)....

alias no.9

Special Circumstances wrote: »

WOW is it drones or helicopters or satellites they are using?

They've been training seagulls as planning enforcement agents

Special Circumstances

alias no.9 wrote: »

They've been training seagulls as planning enforcement agents

Be the hokey ha, would ya credit it, german seagulls I suppose.

slimjimmc

batskat wrote: »

Yep

However there is planning laws that make it illegal in some parts of Ireland to park a car in drive way or gardens or even fields for long durations exceeding 9 months

The 9 month planning restriction on storing a vehicle at a private dwelling applies to caravans, campervans and boats as part of a condition for a Class 8 exempted development, not other vehicles.

3. No caravan, campervan or boat shall be so kept or stored for more than 9 months in any year or occupied as a dwelling while so kept or stored.

CiniO

slimjimmc wrote: »

The 9 month planning restriction on storing a vehicle at a private dwelling applies to caravans, campervans and boats as part of a condition for a Class 8 exempted development, not other vehicles.

Does that mean if I decide to buy a caravan, I can not keep it on my driveway? Where else can I park it then?

mgbgt1978

You could simply Tow it away for a 5 minute drive and then bring it back home again.....every 8 months and 29 days.



TBH, I don't think this particular piece of legislation is aimed at yourself.

wingnut

CiniO wrote: »

Does that mean if I decide to buy a caravan, I can not keep it on my driveway? Where else can I park it then?

Seems to say that allright. Very odd, how that managed to be written into law like that.