For Sale : Mavic Ksyrium Elite S wheelset

Fireball XL5

Hi folks I am selling my 2014 Ksyrium Elite S wheelset and am looking for 350 euro.

I bought this wheelset in April 2014 and they have done approx. 1,000k since then and are in almost as new condition.

They are a fantastic first upgrade for anyone who has been using the stock wheels supplied with say a bike to work bought machine. I could not personally believe the step up in the quality of the bearings and the increased rolling performance.

They come with the Mavic supplied tyres which I never used.

I am located in Stillorgan on the South side of Dublin.

Derrydingle

Would a 9 speed shimano cassette work on them

Fireball XL5

Yes - a nine speed requires the use of the spacer that came with the wheels. I have the spacer and can provide it.

Derrydingle

Derrydingle wrote:

Would a 9 speed cassette work on them

Would you take 250 for them

Fireball XL5

No - too low - check out their new price online and you will see that there is a bargain on offer here.

Derrydingle

I know the price of new 2015 wheels but please remember you are selling used 2014 wheels are you willing to come down in price and if so what kind of price would you be talking

Fireball XL5

Maybe less that 350 but certainly not 250

Derrydingle

I be willing to go to 280 if that helps

Taxuser1

I'm happy to offer €300.

Offer is dependent on me exchanging my own wheels which is an agreed sale per Adverts but is dependent on viewing this week.

I too am in Stillorgan btw

JKC

Fireball XL5 wrote: »

Maybe less that 350 but certainly not 250

Offer €300 depending on inspection, can view this evening.

Fireball XL5

As the offer from JKC is a far more concrete and less conditional offer I would be happy to accept that offer if JKC wishes to PM me.

JKC

Fireball XL5 wrote: »

As the offer from JKC is a far more concrete and less conditional offer I would be happy to accept that offer if JKC wishes to PM me.

PM sent.

Taxuser1

Fireball XL5 wrote: »

As the offer from JKC is a far more concrete and less conditional offer I would be happy to accept that offer if JKC wishes to PM me.

both are conditional on viewing?

seems a little unfair to judge on what is conditional on my side when I've made an offer.

also, first offered rules for same price ? Mods?

Fireball XL5

It is not correct to simply say that both offers were conditional on viewing. One of the offers contained a second conditionality - the potential of a sale at some future unspecified date.

It was on this basis - faced with two offers one of which was concrete and one of which contained a condition which may never have come to fruition - that I made my decision.

From the logical perspective of a seller the position clearly is that if two similar offers are on the table and one is conditional on the sale of another item and the other is not - then the logical thing for any seller to do is to accept the more concrete offer.

It would seem not only unfair but also illogical for a potential buyer to attempt to block a seller by simply saying "you have to sell to me because I made the first offer even though my offer is based solely on the possibility that I might sell something else at some stage in the future."

In addition, why should a seller be forced into accepting an offer on the basis of something that may never happen? If the first offer did not contain the second conditionality the first offer would have been accepted. If you had simply made the offer subject to viewing there would not have been an issue but clearly you were not prepared to commit yourself until such time as your own sale went through. I see no reason why your potential sale should have any effect on my decision.

I am curious myself to see what the mods might have to say on this one as it raises a very interesting point - can a potential buyer block a seller from selling to a person by imposing conditions relating to potential future sales on the offer? You may well feel that the sale was agreed but there is an old saying that there is many a slip twixt cup and lip. Your sale, as with any other sale on the forum or any other, can fall through.

Taxuser1

Fireball XL5 wrote: »

It is not correct to simply say that both offers were conditional on viewing. One of the offers contained a second conditionality - the potential of a sale at some future unspecified date.

It as on this basis - faced with two offers one of which was concrete and one of which contained a condition which may never have come to fruition - that I made my decision.

From the logical perspective of a seller the position clearly is that if two similar offers are on the table and one is conditional on the sale of another item and the other is not - then the logical thing for any seller to do is to accept the more concrete offer.

It would seem not only unfair but also illogical for a potential buyer to attempt to block a seller by simply saying "you have to sell to me because I made the first offer even though my offer is based solely on the possibility that I might sell something else at some stage in the future."

In addition, why should a seller be forced into accepting an offer on the basis of something that may never happen? If the first offer did not contain the second conditionality the first offer would have been accepted.

I am curious myself to see what the mods might have to say on this one as it raises a very interesting point - can a potential buyer block a seller from selling to a person by imposing conditions on the offer?

don't worry about it friend, as I hadn't met the asking price, I imagine I don't have much right to object and the mods can't help me.

The issue on my side was to meet the guy who's agreed to buy my wheels which is midweek. His contingency was that he offered on the basis that he would view first, much the same as your purchaser is doing. There's nothing ever final until cash changes hand.

Your offer is as much contingent on your suitor's being happy with what he sees in a time frame that's just that little bit better than I can give you - a day or two. So its really nothing to do with my contingency, rather your own lack of patience in waiting for the time frame and that's your right.

Fireball XL5

Taxuser1 wrote: »

Your offer is as much contingent on your suitor's being happy with what he sees in a time frame that's just that little bit better than I can give you - a day or two. So its really nothing to do with my contingency, rather your own lack of patience in waiting for the time frame and that's your right.

I strenuously object to the sentiments expressed here. You seem to have missed the point completely. You were clearly not prepared to commit yourself until your own sale went through. It was presumptuous of you to have considered that you could block me from making a decision to sell to any person other than yourself.

Cash is king and any seller who would refuse cash in return fro a half baked promise would need his/her head examined.

I will refer the matter to the mods myself.

Taxuser1

Fireball XL5 wrote: »

I strenuously object to the sentiments expressed here. You seem to have missed the point completely. You were clearly not prepared to commit yourself until your own sale went through. It was presumptuous of you to have considered that you could block me from making a decision to sell to any person other than yourself.

Cash is king and any seller who would refuse cash in return fro a half baked promise would need his/her head examined.

I will refer the matter to the mods myself.

I'm not sure what you're arguing. Has the second offer given you cash already by paypal ? did he not specify that he would pay subject to viewing?

there's no difference between contingent reasoning - you're as rich now as you were before the 2 offers.

Look, as I said, mods will agree that I should have offered asking price for my first assertion that "he who posts first" - so i'm wrong on that. But you were quick to accept on a level where you thought you'd get paid quicker. That's fair enough. I hope the sale goes through for you tonight. No need for quickened pulses though.

Fireball XL5

Matter referred to the mods for a ruling and possible comment in relation to the rules of the forum.

Beasty

Taxuser1 wrote: »

both are conditional on viewing?

seems a little unfair to judge on what is conditional on my side when I've made an offer.

also, first offered rules for same price ? Mods?

Your offer was conditional on a number of factors including viewing. The "first to offer asking" rule only applies to unconditional offers and the OP is perfectly at liberty to accept a later, but less conditional, offer at the same price

Fireball XL5

Item sold.

secman

Thought for a moment I was in the legal forum ......