Rose of Tralee never had a plus size or black contestant

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Why has there never been a plus size or black contestant in the rose of tralee ?

stephenl15

Ooooh controversial :P

Hammer89

Neither have lovely bottoms.

Hande hoche!

It needs a trans person of colour next year.

robman60

I can recall quite a few heavy birds on it over the years. I don't believe in fat shaming but equally I don't believe in encouraging negative body choices, and being "plus size" is undoubtedly detrimental to your body.

So basically fat birds welcome but NOT because they're fat.

Fukuyama

Why are there no fat blokes in bodybuilding competitions? :eek:


:rolleyes:

PinkLemonade

robman60 wrote: »

I can recall quite a few heavy birds on it over the years. I don't believe in fat shaming but equally I don't believe in encouraging negative body choices, and being "plus size" is undoubtedly detrimental to your body.

So basically fat birds welcome but NOT because they're fat.

Plus size can mean any dress size over 12, which is in no way "detrimental to your health"

Son Of A Vidic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJmY6h-LV0

suicide_circus

WHAT!?

Next you'll be telling me that some regional beauty contest in rural Burkina Faso never had a white contestant!

Men should be able to take part. It's sexist that they can't. I'm going to start practicing my party piece now for it. How about a hip-hop dance? That went down so well last time.

as_mo_bhosca

There was one black contestant years ago. French speaking if I recall correctly. Can't remember where she was from.

rubadub

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_of_Tralee_(festival)

The winner is the woman deemed to best match the attributes relayed in the song: "lovely and fair"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rose_of_Tralee_(song)

She was lovely and fair as the rose of the summer,

Cold War Kid

Fukuyama wrote: »

Why are there no fat blokes in bodybuilding competitions? :eek:


:rolleyes:

The Rose Of Tralee is comparable to a bodybuilding competition?!

There was an Asian lass one year. No Irish connections whatsoever other than the fact she found Ireland interesting and was studying the Irish language.

ThinkProgress

Plus sized women are beautiful... no matter what anyone else thinks! ;-P

So naturally they don't need some shallow beauty contest to confirm what they already know... besides they have their girlfriends and family to constantly nod in approval on command.

RGDATA!

I heart TV wrote: »

Why has there never been a plus size or black contestant in the rose of tralee ?

Pretty sure you're wrong on both counts. Where did you get your information?

kneemos

Not that many black crazy women with Irish heritage.
Think I saw some quite heavy "girls"this year.

Duggy747

Black or white, skinny or fa...............well, preferably slim or curvy................it don't matter as long as they all have lovely bottoms. :pac:

coconnellz

Just to keep everyone happy next year they should have a fat black transgender women!

ThinkProgress

Cold War Kid wrote: »

The Rose Of Tralee is comparable to a bodybuilding competition?!

Sure.

They're both hugely fake images of supposedly perfect physiques. (Starved, dehydrated, fake tan, sucking their bellies in etc) lol

seamus

Don't know why anyone would care that there's never been a plus size contestant. Fat people tend not to be attractive to the majority of people. So they don't tend to get selected for beauty contests. Simple as.

There have in fact been a few black contestants. But in general the contestants have to be of Irish heritage or ancestry. So the number of black women who fall into that category and who could give two craps about some sexist backwards contest in Tralee is likely to be tiny.

The 2010 rose was Indian.

SEPT 23 1989

I thought they all came from an Irish background?

kfallon

I'd ride the lot of 'em!

endacl

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Plus sized women are beautiful... no matter what anyone else thinks! ;-P

Depends on the degree of plus. Unhealthy never looks attractive.

endacl

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Sure.

They're both hugely fake images of supposedly perfect physiques. (Starved, dehydrated, fake tan, sucking their bellies in etc) lol

I think you might be mixing up the annual lovely girls show with another type of show...

Fukuyama

Cold War Kid wrote: »

The Rose Of Tralee is comparable to a bodybuilding competition?!

There was an Asian lass one year. No Irish connections whatsoever other than the fact she found Ireland interesting and was studying the Irish language.

My understanding was that a portion of the contest is judged based on aesthetics, no? I've never watched it so I'm not sure - I always assumed it was a beauty competition.

So a fat girl is going to struggle to get in. Much in the same way a fat bloke won't even get into a bodybuilding contest (different from power lifting) because aesthetically, his body isn't up to par.

Am I missing something here?

Fukuyama

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Sure.

They're both hugely fake images of supposedly perfect physiques. (Starved, dehydrated, fake tan, sucking their bellies in etc) lol

To be fair, bodybuilders will be the first to admit that it's an extreme pursuit - nowhere near typical or normal. Their competition physiques only last a few hours.

kneemos

Am I missing something here?[/quote]



The PC agenda.

Stheno

I don't think they allow married women to enter as well.

Cold War Kid

kneemos wrote: »

Think I saw some quite heavy "girls"this year.

Quote marks because they were actually... "boys"?

super_furry

I thought these kind of things were meant to be sexist and demeaning anyway? Surely the more 'progressive and equal' thing to do would be to ban it?

kneemos

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Quote marks because they were actually... "boys"?

Yep.

seamus

Fukuyama wrote: »

My understanding was that a portion of the contest is judged based on aesthetics, no? I've never watched it so I'm not sure - I always assumed it was a beauty competition.

There's no specific "does she look well" part, I understand. Part of the reason the contest was expanded was to serve as a foil to the corruption and immorality of the Miss World and Miss Universe competitions. To good Irish Catholics in the wesht of Ireland, these were as close to perverted Satanic sex festivals as you could get in the 1950's.

So the Rose was started where young women could apparently preserve their dignity by having some sweaty priests drool over them instead, and display how they were Lovely Girls and not she-whores of Satan.

Ultimately a munter is never going to get selected to take part in the pageant, but the core of it still focuses on maintaining relatively modest outfits and make up. So you won't see a bikini competition or a fake tan lake for swimming in.

goose2005

Belinda Brown in 2010 was mixed-race

Buford T. Justice XIX

I heart TV wrote: »

Why has there never been a plus size or black contestant in the rose of tralee ?

It's because the different qualifying areas never send them.

Simples.

The_Minister

seamus wrote: »

The 2010 rose was Indian.

*Googles* Well, I'll be.

DeadHand

I'd be more worried about the financial elitism of the thing.

The contestants are, as far as I can see, highly privileged young women from wealthy backgrounds with expensive educations.

I never recall seeing a shop assistant, bartender or waitress compete. As if they could never be as hot or interesting as a girl who spent much of her life cloistered in a library steadfastly avoiding boys.

Omackeral

as_mo_bhosca wrote: »

There was one black contestant years ago. French speaking if I recall correctly. Can't remember where she was from.

Probably France.

Sky King

Omackeral wrote: »

Probably France.

They speak French in parts of Africa.

Eugene Norman

There's been more than one mixed race.

No transgendered though. Or pre-op non-cis females who choose to dress as "males". (What non progressives call male).

B17G

Will they put out the cones for next year.....?

smash

Plus size this, plus size that... Not everyone has to be catered for all the time.

The Cool

Not necessarily black but there have been some non-Caucasians in it, the 2010 Rose was Indian (or maybe half-?), representing London and the 2011 one was Filipino representing Queensland. But as somebody said you have to have Irish heritage / family / whatever to enter so of course the pool of entrants is going to be mostly pale freckly cailins. Ireland being multicultural is still pretty new but hopefully there'll be a bigger variety of girls in years to come.

It's true about the financial thing too, they prefer girls who've done charity stuff and the like. Excuse me if my mummy and daddy didn't pay for me to go to India for a summer.

As for plus-size roses, I suppose it's hard to put yourself out there to be "the first plus-sized rose" as that's all you'll be defined as. I dunno who people are referring to about heavier roses in this year's competition? I definitely didn't see any!

JohnnyChimpo

smash wrote: »

Plus size this, plus size that... Not everyone has to be catered for all the time.

No plus-size bird is gonna go to an event that isn't catered

Rawr

I'm just surprised that this contest is still going on.

Also as long as the winner can spend the year going around to the opening ceremonies for local Spar shops and random community projects that the national press tend to ignore; then it doesn't really matter who they are.

I can't for the life of me ever remember who wins that thing

sbsquarepants

You'd remember if Oprah won it!

somesoldiers

seamus wrote: »

There's no specific "does she look well" part, I understand. Part of the reason the contest was expanded was to serve as a foil to the corruption and immorality of the Miss World and Miss Universe competitions. To good Irish Catholics in the wesht of Ireland, these were as close to perverted Satanic sex festivals as you could get in the 1950's.

So the Rose was started where young women could apparently preserve their dignity by having some sweaty priests drool over them instead, and display how they were Lovely Girls and not she-whores of Satan.

Ultimately a munter is never going to get selected to take part in the pageant, but the core of it still focuses on maintaining relatively modest outfits and make up. So you won't see a bikini competition or a fake tan lake for swimming in.

There was one Rose this year who felt it worth mentioning "I am Church of Ireland" for some reason during the interview with Daithi, I thought that odd

Old Jakey

Surprised some jealous feminist hasn't managed to ban the competition.

seamus

somesoldiers wrote: »

There was one Rose this year who felt it worth mentioning "I am Church of Ireland" for some reason during the interview with Daithi, I thought that odd

She may have thought that would be noteworthy and controversial. It would be, if this was 1990. But with last year's winner being openly gay, I think the people of Tralee can handle a proddie rose without much fuss.

Daith

seamus wrote: »

She may have thought that would be noteworthy and controversial. It would be, if this was 1990. But with last year's winner being openly gay, I think the people of Tralee can handle a proddie rose without much fuss.

She wasn't really openly gay on the show though. It only really came out afterwards.

When we get an out gay woman with a female escort then we will see progress!

efb

There were def a few bigger roses this year

tonycascarino

I remember there was a black rose from Philadelphia a few years back. A half Filipino won the Rose of Tralee twice if I remember - Luzveminda O'Sullivan & Tara Talbot and a half Indian won another year - Clare Kambamettu