Several dead after jet crashes onto road in UK

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Several people have been confirmed dead after a plane crashed during an airshow in Shoreham-By-Sea, according to Sky sources.

Police say the plane, believed to be a Hawker Hunter, hit several cars on the A27 in West Sussex at about 1.20pm.

Royal Sussex County Hospital says it has received two casualties, one in a critical condition and one with minor injuries.

http://news.sky.com/story/1540055/several-dead-as-airshow-jet-crashes-on-road

Shocking footage there, a terrible thing to happen when people thought they were going for a nice day out. It's been a bad few weeks for aviation.

Specialun

Jesus christ

Miley30

Another crash ? Christ

That is some shocking footage, poor souls RIP

Omackeral

Holy fudge

The pilot didn't get to eject, did he? At least not that I could see, though I may have missed it. Lord only knows what was going through his head when he realized there wasn't anything he could do.

lazybones32

Other news agencies report only injuries but from the pictures fatalities seem likely.

whiskeyman

Could be a lot of dead from looking at that footage... seems to be a lot of cars and I see traffic lights at the crash site?
If only the plane could have hit the field beside it only

Jan Laco

It really pises me off. These should be banned or just be out over sea. For all the bearaucracy people have to go through at airport security for safety and then on the other hand these boy racers of the air are allowed to fly around dangerously.
The pilots can bail out but those people in the cars can't. And they weren't anything to do with the airshow.

DoYouEvenLift

Holy sh!t that is fuking terrible!

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lazybones32 wrote: »

Other news agencies report only injuries but from the pictures fatalities seem likely.

I'd say fatalities are guaranteed. A number of cars and cyclists took the brunt of the wreckage and fireball. The Mail has a photo of one car that had its roof sliced clean off. If there was someone in there it would be fatal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3207016/Pilot-pulled-burning-wreckage-plane-crashes-Shoreham-Airshow.html

Wibbs

Deleted User wrote: »

The pilot didn't get to eject, did he? At least not that I could see, though I may have missed it.

Ditto, but I think he or she was still in it. Probably didn't realise quite how much speed had had been dropped, or altitude lost until a second before. Plus though they originally had ejector seats it may not have been a functional example in a display aircraft? I would imagine the rocket motors the maintenance and all of that of a vintage Martin Baker ejection seat might cause extra headaches and expense with running a vintage jet? Whatever about running World war two piston engine vintage aircraft the jets are a whole next level of headache. Speeds are higher too and more fuel on board so bigger crashes if mistakes happen. Very sad. RIP to anyone caught up in that.

conorh91

Deleted User wrote: »

The pilot didn't get to eject, did he?

I doubt it was even in his mind to, it looks like he was trying to do a loop and left it too late before ascending. Presumably he intended to do the loop over the traffic. Seems like a foolish error.

Wibbs

Jan Laco wrote: »

The pilots can bail out but those people in the cars can't.

In the vast majority of cases the pilots can't bail out of vintage planes as the vast majority were never fitted with ejection seats. To bail out old style needs altitude, much more than what you'd have in an airshow setting. I do agree that over the sea is a much better plan mind you.

EDIT the Mail are reporting the pilot was pulled outa that mess alive. :eek:

Mena

Jan Laco wrote: »

It really pises me off. These should be banned or just be out over sea. For all the bearaucracy people have to go through at airport security for safety and then on the other hand these boy racers of the air are allowed to fly around dangerously.
The pilots can bail out but those people in the cars can't. And they weren't anything to do with the airshow.

Let's ban everything that's dangerous and live our lives wrapped in cotton wool huh?

Horrible situation to have happened but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

Jan Laco

Mena wrote: »

Let's ban everything that's dangerous and live our lives wrapped in cotton wool huh?

Horrible situation to have happened but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

I don't mean ban everything that's dangerous. If people get a buzz from dangerous things all the best to them. Just let it not interfere in the lives of people who haven't made the choice to do something dangerous.

Diamond Doll

I've read that the pilot survived and is recovering in hospital. Doubt many others involved are recovering, judging by that footage. Horrible thing to happen.

Tarzana2

:eek:

I thought there were strict rules on where airshow planes could fly ie. not over the assembled crowd or roads.

Tarzana2

Deleted User wrote: »

The pilot didn't get to eject, did he? At least not that I could see, though I may have missed it. Lord only knows what was going through his head when he realized there wasn't anything he could do.

Why was he flying over a busy road? :mad:

Reminds me of the Lviv airshow crash where the numpty pilot was doing his maneuvers over a large crowd.

Tarzana2

Mena wrote: »

Let's ban everything that's dangerous and live our lives wrapped in cotton wool huh?

Nobody is saying that, but these events need to be tightly controlled.

DoYouEvenLift

HOW is it possible for that pilot to have survived. Not that I don't want him to survive, as much of an idiot as he is for causing this, but just how...he flew a plane straight into a road full of cars...can't wrap my head around this

Mena

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Nobody is saying that, but these events need to be tightly controlled.

They already are. **** happens, as sad as that is.

conorh91

Boring username wrote: »

That second picture is actually from the Ukrainian (I think) air disaster in 2002. That's an Su-27 fighter, not a Hawker Hunter. Still a shocking picture though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_air_show_disaster


Edit: Actually it's not from the Ukranian show, I was confused for a moment. Disregard the above.

already deleted before your edit. cheers!

Harry Palmr

Seven confirmed dead, you can clearly see the crash was at a traffic light junction

Diamond Doll

Apparently two cyclists are among the dead ... sure they wouldn't have stood a chance.

Zillah

Jan Laco wrote: »

It really pises me off. These should be banned or just be out over sea. For all the bearaucracy people have to go through at airport security for safety and then on the other hand these boy racers of the air are allowed to fly around dangerously.
The pilots can bail out but those people in the cars can't. And they weren't anything to do with the airshow.

Accidents at these events are vanishingly rare. Sure they're big and flashy when they happen but it's not like a jet crashing into traffic is something you're going to see again any time soon.

Jimoslimos

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

HOW is it possible for that pilot to have survived. Not that I don't want him to survive, as much of an idiot as he is for causing this, but just how...he flew a plane straight into a road full of cars...can't wrap my head around this

He probably would have been clothed/surrounded in flame retardant material for starters, similar to the stuff F1 drivers use, which would afford some protection against the fireball.

Gbear

Jan Laco wrote: »

I don't mean ban everything that's dangerous. If people get a buzz from dangerous things all the best to them. Just let it not interfere in the lives of people who haven't made the choice to do something dangerous.

If I can't juggle chainsaws on a busy street, I don't see why this should be any different.

I can't believe that it was correct procedure to fly anywhere close to a public road.

Someone surely had to have ****ed up, even beyond underestimating how much the plane had dropped, for this accident to have taken place.

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This little piggy wrote: »

I've read that the pilot survived and is recovering in hospital. Doubt many others involved are recovering, judging by that footage. Horrible thing to happen.

I would imagine he's the critical patient? Two others have minor injuries. That's pure speculation on my part, but I'd be astonished if he walked out of that with minor injuries.

Tarzana2

Mena wrote: »

They already are. **** happens, as sad as that is.

Not everyone seems to follow the rules sadly. WTF was he doing, trying to do a loop over a busy road? Shít happens isn't really good enough.

RIP to the innocent dead.

Kaiser Sosay

Jan Laco wrote: »

It really pises me off. These should be banned or just be out over sea.

I have to agree. If safety was given priority, then if a loop goes wrong the crowd should always be well out of the danger zone. The fact that they weren't suggests safety isn't a priority.

conorh91

Tarzana2 wrote: »

RIP to the innocent dead.

Somehow I suspect one person who won't have any peace is the pilot of this disaster. I suspect he's going to regret his own survival for some time.

Dyr

Zillah wrote: »

Accidents at these events are vanishingly rare. Sure they're big and flashy when they happen but it's not like a jet crashing into traffic is something you're going to see again any time soon.

Seems to happen with an alarming frequency given the relatively small amount of air shows that happen


I'm a huge fan of vintage aircraft but pulling low level acrobatics like this has always seemed downright irresponsible to me

fullstop

Time to can these airshows? That's a few incidents in the last month or so, that was pretty sickening to watch...imagine being in the car and that coming towards you?

lazybones32

fullstop wrote: »

Time to can these airshows? That's a few incidents in the last month or so, that was pretty sickening to watch...imagine being in the car and that coming towards you?

Imagine being in a car and seeing another car coming towards you? Or a deer...or seeing a child run out in front of you?


Oh, the humanity!

Tarzana2

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Not everyone seems to follow the rules sadly. WTF was he doing, trying to do a loop over a busy road? Shít happens isn't really good enough.

RIP to the innocent dead.

He wasn't. If you watch the video, the loop happened away from the road, but when he lost control, that's when he crashed. We don't know what happened - it could have been a mechanical error and nothing to do with the pilot. It's far too early to be making assumptions yet.

Tarzana2

Deleted User wrote: »

He wasn't. If you watch the video, the loop happened away from the road, but when he lost control, that's when he crashed. We don't know what happened - it could have been a mechanical error and nothing to do with the pilot. It's far too early to be making assumptions yet.

There should be a wide buffer zone around where the maneuvers are being carried out to allow for anything going wrong, be that mechanical or pilot error. I can't imagine worst case scenarios aren't accounted for at these shows. And if they're not, they should be.

Old Jakey

Everyone blaming the pilot and none of ye have any idea what caused the accident. Disgusting.

RayM

lazybones32 wrote: »

Imagine being in a car and seeing another car coming towards you? Or a deer...or seeing a child run out in front of you?


Oh, the humanity!

The sole purpose of the plane being in the sky in the first place was to entertain people by performing dangerous stunts. When people who weren't watching or partaking in the spectacle are killed as a direct result, that's when it's reasonable to question whether or not the whole thing is worthwhile.

Tarzana2

Old Jakey wrote: »

Everyone blaming the pilot and none of ye have any idea what caused the accident. Disgusting.

We don't know if the crash was his fault. We can, however, question why he crashed near a busy road.

acb121

This happens like clockwork, several times a year.

I've been put off going to one.

Also, I must say that footage of these incidents posted online is pornographic really.

It's somebody's life being snuffed out.

fatherted1969

Seems mad that you can loop over congested areas below. Always looks like planes are very near crowds when they're performing their stunts at airshows. An avoidable tragedy

Jimoslimos

acb121 wrote: »

This happens like clockwork, several times a year.

I've been put off going to one.

Also, I must say that footage of these incidents posted online is pornographic really.

It's somebody's life being snuffed out.

The footage put up on the BBC is bizarre, half a second of impact cut out - so you see the approach - pause - cloud of smoke. It's not as if the camera was close enough anyway to capture the gory image of someone dying.

Sterling Archer

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Seems mad that you can loop over congested areas below. Always looks like planes are very near crowds when they're performing their stunts at airshows. An avoidable tragedy

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fullstop

lazybones32 wrote: »

Imagine being in a car and seeing another car coming towards you? Or a deer...or seeing a child run out in front of you?


Oh, the humanity!

Oh I didn't realise people performed stunts on open roads in cars for paying crowds.

Also, if a car hits you, you have a chance of surviving or even getting out un-injured, what chance have you got with a plane.

the_syco

Jan Laco wrote: »

The pilots can bail out but those people in the cars can't. And they weren't anything to do with the airshow.

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

HOW is it possible for that pilot to have survived.

Looks like he stayed in the aircraft to avoid anything.

Tarzana2 wrote: »

There should be a wide buffer zone around where the maneuvers are being carried out to allow for anything going wrong, be that mechanical or pilot error. I can't imagine worst case scenarios aren't accounted for at these shows. And if they're not, they should be.

It seems like it was done far away from anywhere at an airfield?

Tarzana2

Shane_ef wrote: »

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That green area looks quite small actually for the purpose.

the_syco wrote: »

It seems like it was done far away from anywhere at an airfield?

Near a busy road?

Sterling Archer

Tarzana2 wrote: »

That green area looks quite small actually for the purpose.

Looks to be around 800 meters across.. (Fairly illadvised, should have been further north) I really only posted the link as i'm fairly sure not many people posting here would bother to look at area and assume it's directly over a built up area

Lemming

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Near a busy road?

Would that be a busy road with lots of traffic going to and from an airshow I wonder? ..... Maybe Shoreham airshow perhaps? Who'd have thought it?! The A27 busy with traffic right beside an airshow.

In any case, wait for the technical report before you all start jumping up and down in fashion worthy of the Daily Mail Fail.

Tarzana2

Lemming wrote: »

Would that be a busy road with lots of traffic going to and from an airshow I wonder? ..... Maybe Shoreham airshow perhaps? Who'd have thought it?! The A27 busy with traffic right beside an airshow.

Uh huh, and if you know a road is going to be busy for that reason, plan for it.

Lemming

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Uh huh, and if you know a road is going to be busy for that reason, plan for it.

You DO realise that most aircraft taking off and/or consequently landing (the two most statistically dangerous manouevres in avation) at that airport - never mind the airshow - will have to cross the A27 right? Twice if they're doing the airshow.