Is the Western World anti-man?

0byme75341jo28

I think it is clear to see for anyone who can think for themselves that the western world is currently extremely anti-man. The examples are everywhere, from gender quotas to cries of "sexual harrassment" for being stared at. Misandry is now acceptable in most areas of life, whilst any attempt to point this out is usually received with a backlash of abuse, and quite ironically, more misandry.

In my opinion the media and large portions of the Internet are doing their best to attach a shame to being male, similarly to what's happening to white people. Somehow it's my fault for being male and therefore benefitting from this imaginary "male privilege", and I should be ashamed of that. Nonsense.

I'm sick to the back teeth of attempts being made to make me feel bad about my masculinity. I'm a man, and I'm proud of that fact. I hope everyone feels the same way about themselves, even those who have changed gender.

The equality movement has gone too far.

Wacker The Attacker

bros before hoes man.


I'm with you.

Neil3030

It's a crying shame. Madness even. Gone are the days when you could stare at a woman and face no consequences, or leapfrog female colleagues with tried and tested hiring biases.

NachoBusiness

Yes.

Mardy Bum

Is the western world becoming insecure?

Melisandre121

Women are heroes men are zeroes

Kev W

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Yes.

So it's true because there's a book about it?

I have some close female friends.

From hearing what they go through, objectification, abuse, groping, and just the general way in which they are treated like meat and how many men, even married friends of mine, have tried it on with them, assuming they hardly have the self esteem to not want to be a dirty little secret, it's depressing. The worst are the many men who go from pleading to abuse when knocked back.

Tefral

If it is its only because men couldn't give a ****. We sit here mumbling about how this and that has changed, but willing to do **** all about it.

Women conversely are highly organised in groups and are able to get their point across.

The only grumble I have in Ireland really is fathers rights, after that nothing else effects me, in fact the modern woman is great. The missus comes home with just as much money as I do, she pays for half of everything, she can drive so I don't have to drive her around. I can feck off to the pub and not get hassle, she's the one who bought me my PlayStation, she loves cooking, any of my female friends love making me sandwiches I think its great anyway!

buried

Neil3030 wrote: »

It's a crying shame. Madness even. Gone are the days when you could stare at a woman and face no consequences, or leapfrog female colleagues with tried and tested hiring biases.

yeah those TV adverts for diet coke were a total disgrace

c_man

I think it's quite clear that a lot of the "sticks" used to drum up the feminist agenda are BS, but bring that up at your peril.

Chips Lovell

Sigh.

Kev W

c_man wrote: »

I think it's quite clear that a lot of the "sticks" used to drum up the feminist agenda are BS, but bring that up at your peril.

Examples?

The Randy Riverbeast

There are some anti men groups, but there are anti everything groups. The best thing to do is ignore them. Giving these kinds of people attention just makes them think that people take them seriously.

0byme75341jo28

Neil3030 wrote: »

It's a crying shame. Madness even. Gone are the days when you could stare at a woman and face no consequences, or leapfrog female colleagues with tried and tested hiring biases.

And here are the days where a woman can get a job over a man, simply because a company needs to hire a certain amount of female staff to give the impression they're not "sexist".

ahnowbrowncow

Kev W wrote: »

Examples?

The gender wage gap.

Huntergonzo

But women rule the world, you see basically everything a man does is more or less aimed towards gettin some poontang and women own the distribution rights to poontang hence men bow to women and naturally women rule the world.

NachoBusiness

Kev W wrote: »

So it's true because there's a book about it?

Eh, no. The other way around: There's a book about it because it's true. Not one book by the way, many

Helen Smith wrote a recent book about it also called Men On Strike. Short interview here regarding her views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCpBa4ITEcI

Kev W

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

The gender wage gap.

The gap exists. Any more?

One eyed Jack

Samuel Scary Urination wrote: »

I think it is clear to see for anyone who can think for themselves that the western world is currently extremely anti-man.

I can think for myself, and I don't think at all that the Western world is "anti-man". I see lobby groups lobbying, but I don't think they're at all representative of the general population in society.

I'm sick to the back teeth of attempts being made to make me feel bad about my masculinity. I'm a man, and I'm proud of that fact. I hope everyone feels the same way about themselves, even those who have changed gender.

Learn to shut them out. You should be proud to be who you are. People who will try to put you back in your place and humiliate you are a fact of life. Don't let them make you feel like that.

The equality movement has gone too far.

I'm a man too and I too am proud of that fact. I'm also a reasonable person who can think for myself, and I think it's less of an "equality movement", and more of an increase in a "whingers movement", a movement where anyone can be a member, and they all share the same basic ideology - the world doesn't suit them.

I have no problem with people fighting for what they believe in and working towards a world which better suits them (it's how humanity as a whole evolved - we don't adapt to our environment, we adapt our environment to suit ourselves), but there's a world of a difference between those people, and whingers, who expect everyone else to do all the work. That's not how the world works.

frostyjacks

Yes. Masculine traits such as reason and logic are getting overruled by the feminine traits like emotion and (hyper)sensitivity. Men and women are fundamentally different, it's ridiculous that we have to pretend we're all the same.

Huntergonzo

frostyjacks wrote: »

Yes. Masculine traits such as reason and logic are getting overruled by the feminine traits like emotion and (hyper)sensitivity. Men and women are fundamentally different, it's ridiculous that we have to pretend we're all the same.

Reason and logic are no match for spontaneous manipulative tears, us lads are going to have to catch up quick or eventually we'll be confined to museums!

o1s1n

Kev W wrote: »

The gap exists. Any more?

Which is due to choices women make rather than the discriminatory reasons many bang drums about.

If women were indeed cheaper labour than their male counterparts, then why don't companies aim for a female only workforce? Would save a fortune.

Kev W

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Eh, no. The other way around: There's a book about it because it's true. Not one book by the way, many

Helen Smith wrote a recent book about it also called Men On Strike. Short interview here regarding her views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCpBa4ITEcI

There are books about Batman, that doesn't prove Batman is real.

That clip seems mostly focused on marriage, it's a bit much to use that as evidence that the western world is ant-man. If anything the elements of marriage that are disadvantageous to men are holdovers from the times when marriage for all intents and purposes conferred ownership of a woman to a man.

There's certainly an inequality there that needs to be addressed but it's not as if a woman has never had to pay alimony to a man after a divorce, for example. Alimony is itself kind of a bull**** concept regardless of who's paying whom.

NachoBusiness

Kev W wrote: »

The gap exists. Any more?

The gender pay gap is a myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bu4CRiw9mg

kylith

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Eh, no. The other way around: There's a book about it because it's true. Not one book by the way, many

Helen Smith wrote a recent book about it also called Men On Strike. Short interview here regarding her views.

Yeah, they only write books about true things you know! I read this one about how there's a digital signature encoded into our DNA that proves God made us all. They wouldn't write a book about it if it wasn't true! There was another one about how the world is secretly run by a group of lizards in human-suits. They wouldn't have written a book about it if it wasn't true. :rolleyes:

Dude, if you give a publishing company a cheque and they'll publish anything you like.

RWCNT

Samuel Scary Urination wrote: »

I think it is clear to see for anyone who can think for themselves that the western world is currently extremely anti-man. The examples are everywhere, from gender quotas to cries of "sexual harrassment" for being stared at. Misandry is now acceptable in most areas of life, whilst any attempt to point this out is usually received with a backlash of abuse, and quite ironically, more misandry.

In my opinion the media and large portions of the Internet are doing their best to attach a shame to being male, similarly to what's happening to white people. Somehow it's my fault for being male and therefore benefitting from this imaginary "male privilege", and I should be ashamed of that. Nonsense.

I'm sick to the back teeth of attempts being made to make me feel bad about my masculinity. I'm a man, and I'm proud of that fact. I hope everyone feels the same way about themselves, even those who have changed gender.

The equality movement has gone too far.

Stopped reading after you asserted that male privilege is imaginary. If that is your opinion then you're either severely deluded or you don't understand the terms meaning, no other option applicable.

hatrickpatrick

Kev W wrote: »

That clip seems mostly focused on marriage, it's a bit much to use that as evidence that the western world is ant-man. If anything the elements of marriage that are disadvantageous to men are holdovers from the times when marriage for all intents and purposes conferred ownership of a woman to a man.

But that's the point. By abolishing all the aspects which were unfair to women (rightly) but turning a total blind eye to the other side of the coin, the institution has now become profoundly anti-male - and men are regularly shouted down for pointing this out.

smash

I was with you until this:

Samuel Scary Urination wrote: »

I'm a man, and I'm proud of that fact.

Don't be proud of your gender, be proud of your personal achievements.

meliselis

Samuel Scary Urination wrote: »

I think it is clear to see for anyone who can think for themselves that the western world is currently extremely anti-man. The examples are everywhere, from gender quotas to cries of "sexual harrassment" for being stared at. Misandry is now acceptable in most areas of life, whilst any attempt to point this out is usually received with a backlash of abuse, and quite ironically, more misandry.

In my opinion the media and large portions of the Internet are doing their best to attach a shame to being male, similarly to what's happening to white people. Somehow it's my fault for being male and therefore benefitting from this imaginary "male privilege", and I should be ashamed of that. Nonsense.

I'm sick to the back teeth of attempts being made to make me feel bad about my masculinity. I'm a man, and I'm proud of that fact. I hope everyone feels the same way about themselves, even those who have changed gender.

The equality movement has gone too far.

you're actually right... :-/

sunshine and showers

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

Thanks, OP, I needed a laugh.

One eyed Jack

frostyjacks wrote: »

Yes. Masculine traits such as reason and logic are getting overruled by the feminine traits like emotion and (hyper)sensitivity. Men and women are fundamentally different, it's ridiculous that we have to pretend we're all the same.

We don't though, we don't have to pretend at all about anything. I've never pretended that men and women are the same and I don't treat men the same as I treat women. Nobody I've ever met has complained about the way I treat them based on their gender. I treat most people with respect and dignity, and I those people I don't have any respect for is simply because I don't like them, regardless of their gender.

Kev W

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

But that's the point. By abolishing all the aspects which were unfair to women (rightly) but turning a total blind eye to the other side of the coin, the institution has now become profoundly anti-male - and men are regularly shouted down for pointing this out.

Who's shouting you down?

Carlos Orange

I don't know about being anti male but when >10% of men 25-35 have emigrated and men are 40% more likely to be unemployed than women Ireland clearly aint a great place to be a man.

Kev W

frostyjacks wrote: »

Yes. Masculine traits such as reason and logic are getting overruled by the feminine traits like emotion and (hyper)sensitivity. Men and women are fundamentally different, it's ridiculous that we have to pretend we're all the same.

I feel like you may have meant this for the Star Trek thread.

sunshine and showers

Kev W wrote: »

Who's shouting you down?

Sorry, that was me. Only I was laughing him down...

preddy

So is the OP saying the Taliban had it right all along?:cool:

Iseedeadpixels

Following this thread as Kev W was the "highlight" of the nightclub girl/guy/person/thing/whatever thread a few weeks ago

0byme75341jo28

RWCNT wrote: »

Stopped reading after you asserted that male privilege is imaginary. If that is your opinion then you're either severely deluded or you don't understand the terms meaning, no other option applicable.

I see far more instances of women gaining an advantage because of their gender than men, male privilege is non existent in the western world.

kylith

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

But that's the point. By abolishing all the aspects which were unfair to women (rightly) but turning a total blind eye to the other side of the coin, the institution has now become profoundly anti-male - and men are regularly shouted down for pointing this out.

if there are aspects of life that are unfair to men then those should certainly be identified and changed. Unfortunately when you see men complaining about feminazis or misandry or anti-male sentiment they tend to be more focussed on the fact that the aspects which were unfair to women have been removed and why that's a Bad Thing and little focussed on things like the rights of unmarried fathers or men who are victims of domestic abuse.

Samaris

Any thread that suggests that Logic and Reason Are ManThings and Emotions and Feelings is Womanthings is going to get a hearty snort from me.

I treat people as people first, gender second, and I am quite happy to be treated the same way, thank you very much.

There are a few areas where men need support and a few areas where women need support. Neither side will get that support if the other side is busy trying to squash their work as well.

Women, your enemies are Men as a whole, it's certain societal issues that are taking a while to be ground away.
Men, your enemies aren't Women either; again, they're based on certain societal issues that..etc.

But nooo, we have to tribal up into our Mangroups and Womangroups and never the twain shall work together >.> Because what's the fun of winning if someone else doesn't lose?

'Course, it's easier to bitch about stuff then actually get involved in doing something about it. Also, to the post about ManBrains and WomanBrains; snort.

Potatoeman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have some close female friends.

From hearing what they go through, objectification, abuse, groping, and just the general way in which they are treated like meat and how many men, even married friends of mine, have tried it on with them, assuming they hardly have the self esteem to not want to be a dirty little secret, it's depressing. The worst are the many men who go from pleading to abuse when knocked back.

It sounds like they need better friends. That's like a man judging every woman on that one wagon they know.

Shenshen

Seeing as it's effectively run by men (national leaders, owners/CEO of businesses and companies, military, you name it chances are its run by a man), you'd really have to wonder at male masochism to turn it all anti-man....

sunshine and showers

Samuel Scary Urination wrote: »

I see far more instances of women gaining an advantage because of their gender than men, male privilege is non existent in the western world.

Hahahahaha, you are on FIRE today.

Kev W

Samuel Scary Urination wrote: »

I see far more instances of women gaining an advantage because of their gender than men, male privilege is non existent in the western world.

Perhaps you see it that way because you don't recognise your privilege, seeing it as simply "the way things are"?
Many forms of privilege are the absence of things.

When was the last time you felt afraid to be outside alone at night, for example?

A fish doesn't know it's surrounded by water until you take it out.

Samaris

Potatoeman wrote: »

It sounds like they need better friends. That's like a man judging every woman on that one wagon they know.

Hm, actually, a point on that. The vast majority of us will only see one side of it all from the inside. For instance, my experience tells me that there's a lot of aggravating, cowardly blokes that will catcall me from cars or in the street. It annoys me thoroughly when it happens. It happens to quite a lot of my female friends too. So, from that experience, and because we all know it happens and speak easily about it (albeit in tones of irritation when it happens), I could make the inference that it only happens to women. However, my 6ft, fairly solid bloke of a partner came back the other day annoyed because a bunch of girls had done the same thing to him.

So, yeah, it's possible that half the squabbling comes from the fact that we just (most of us) can't live for long enough as the other gender to get a good idea of what the world feels like to one of them. Possibly.

NachoBusiness

kylith wrote: »

Unfortunately when you see men complaining about feminazis or misandry or anti-male sentiment they tend to be more focussed on the fact that the aspects which were unfair to women have been removed and why that's a Bad Thing..

Yeah, cause all we ever hear from these men is how they want women's right to vote rescinded.

Kev W

Potatoeman wrote: »

It sounds like they need better friends. That's like a man judging every woman on that one wagon they know.

At no point in the post you quoted did anyone judge every man by the actions of one man. In fact nobody judged any men by the actions of anybody. If every element has to be exaggerated to make your point, how strong can your point be?

0byme75341jo28

sunshine and showers wrote: »

Hahahahaha, you are on FIRE today.

You have offered nothing of any substance to contradict my statements, it would be nice if you could do so.

Kev W wrote: »

Perhaps you see it that way because you don't recognise your privilege, seeing it as simply "the way things are"?
Many forms of privilege are the absence of things.

When was the last time you felt afraid to be outside alone at night, for example?

A fish doesn't know it's surrounded by water until you take it out.

I feel afraid when I'm outside alone at night, it's simply not safe and I would always either get a taxi or make sure I am not on my own.

One eyed Jack

Cold War Kid wrote: »

This isn't all due to women/feminists though, much of it is a status quo held up by men.

This is the essence of it really. Why shouldn't people fight for a better world for themselves, there's nothing stopping anyone else from doing the same. Feminism isn't the problem at all, they're not responsible for men who won't argue for their own welfare, because for the vast majority of men, they simply don't care and aren't bothered about other men's welfare. That leads me to believe that they don't believe the Western world is "anti-men" either.

Speaking personally for myself, I've never experienced discrimination against me based on my gender, I've experienced discrimination for plenty of other reasons though, gender is just one aspect of the Western world being discriminatory, not truly "anti" anyone. If you're looking for examples of discrimination, you're always likely to find them, based on an infinite number of criteria.

Liam O

I think right now there are some things that are beneficial in society to both genders somewhat unfairly. It makes sense that because men have reigned supreme in the corporate world for so long with misogynistic views that there would be some sort of a reactive stage to that. And rightly so. Some women are going to be stared at and some men, rich and powerful all the way down to Joe in the supermarket get quite bitter at rejection so there will certainly be some troubling incidents based on that that lead to a good narrative in the media that can lead to widespread anti-male sentiments which is certainly not indicative of the general male but while certain women will be ok with the attention and strong enough to deal with it there will also be some creeped out somewhat by it. Understandable. It is a natural desire but there is a difference between a few glances at a person and full on staring and people have to be respective of that.

On the flipside there is certainly some pisstaking with regards to certain issues in the law with men. Father's rights have been discussed and this current jokeworthy thing whereby if 2 people are drinking and have sex it is the man who is seen as being in the wrong if there is regret on the female side. Obviously there are certain cases where there has been an incident but 2 people getting pissed and having sex and one deciding a few days later that they regret it can't go screaming rape. As far as I'm aware in California and some other places it would be seen as such anyway. There should be some protection in place for women and men with regards sexual assault but there have been some baffling cases against men in this regard which can be tough to shake off even if they've done nothing wrong other than get pissed and have a one night stand.

That logic and reason-emotion statement above is jokeworthy too, not worth a reply.