Collecting a car

AgreeableSir

Hi there. I'm looking to buy a car from someone privately. He lives in Dublin and I live about 2 hours away and he understandably won't come to me.

So my question is how do I get the car to me? It has nct but no tax so how do I get it to me on the road?

Thanks for the replies!

Supergurrier

Magic !

I have brought cars from dublin and even the uk using the three pedal incantation.

bazz26

Maybe get a photo copy of the signed Log book before the seller posts it off. If you are stopped by a Gardai then you can show them that you just bought it.

AgreeableSir

And as for insurance? If I get someone who has drive other cars extension would that be okay?

Supergurrier

AgreeableSir wrote: »

And as for insurance? If I get someone who has drive other cars extension would that be okay?

No only trade insurance will do.

Once old owner sells car the policy is void as they no longer have insurable interest so car has no policy to have a 3rd party extension.

Either someone with trade insurance drives it or you insure it yourself before driving down.

Whatever about tax if its uninsured its a court appearance.

Red Kev

NCT - you have this

Tax - As someone said take a photo of the logbook before it's ent off, if the Guards stop you, you'll be OK. Once you get the logbook back you go and tax it in your local office. If a Guard is persistent then you will have 10 days to produce the new tax disc, you will have plenty of time to get a new disc when the logbook arrives so don't worry about this.

Insurance - Ring your insurance company and ask them to transfer it to your new car for the drive back, they may or may not charge a fee for this. If you're unsure that you will actually buy the car, ring them now anyway, get a reference name or number off them and transfer the insurance over the phone when you buy the car.

Logbook - Bring a stamped addressed envelope with you, addressed to the Dept in Shannon. Put the logbook in this and post it. Make sure this is done in front of you, don't accept "I'll do it tomorrow" from the seller as an excuse. You should have the new logbook in a few days.

AgreeableSir

Red Kev wrote:

Insurance - Ring your insurance company and ask them to transfer it to your new car for the drive back, they may or may not charge a fee for this. If you're unsure that you will actually buy the car, ring them now anyway, get a reference name or number off them and transfer the insurance over the phone when you buy the car.

This will be my first car and I have no insurance. That's why I was looking for someone to drive it for me. Also I am waiting on my full license so that's a pain.

ironclaw

Tax - As someone said take a photo of the logbook before it's ent off, if the Guards stop you, you'll be OK. Once you get the logbook back you go and tax it in your local office. If a Guard is persistent then you will have 10 days to produce the new tax disc, you will have plenty of time to get a new disc when the logbook arrives so don't worry about this.

There are two separate offences. Failure to display a valid tax disc and not having valid tax. Would be some Garda on a bad day to do you in this instance but legally, they can. I'm not being pedantic, I'm just warning you there is no reason for them, and I believe no legal basis, for the 10 days to produce. For example, one of my cars is off the road but I'm re-taxing it soon. Even if I had the online payment details in the car, you're still breaking the law by not having a valid disc on display. You need to have the disc in the window.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_tax_and_insurance/motor_tax_rates.html

If you want to be above the law, the only legal way to transport this car is by trailer or have the car taxed in advance.

challengemaster

Bring the log book to the tax office and tax it before sending it off.

Aimead

Red Kev wrote: »

Logbook - Bring a stamped addressed envelope with you, addressed to the Dept in Shannon. Put the logbook in this and post it. Make sure this is done in front of you, don't accept "I'll do it tomorrow" from the seller as an excuse. You should have the new logbook in a few days.

This ^. Make sure the thing is signed and properly filled out too. The amount of difficulty I have seen people have over this sort of crap is astounding.

whippet

AgreeableSir wrote: »

This will be my first car and I have no insurance. That's why I was looking for someone to drive it for me. Also I am waiting on my full license so that's a pain.

you can't actually drive it yourself?

- Contact a towing company to do it for you
- Get a friend who has a full license and insurance to do the transfer over to it and drive it back for you


If all else fails buy something locally

Check the friend's policy with regard to driving of other cars.

Most policies do not require the vehicle to be insured.

Jb1989

Most policies do not require the vehicle to be insured.[/quote]

I thought most did require to be insured??

JohnBoy26

challengemaster wrote: »

Bring the log book to the tax office and tax it before sending it off.

If it's not been declared off the road and the tax is out awhile then this option is no good as the current owner will have to pay the back tax+ penalties as they are still the registered owner of the car.

Foxhole Norman

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

If it's not been declared off the road and the tax is out awhile then this option is no good as the current owner will have to pay the back tax+ penalties as they are still the registered owner of the car.

It is a valid option, I did it with my current car, the owner gave me the logbook, signed everything over, I brought it to the tax office 1/2 days later and they taxed it and sent the book off.

JohnBoy26

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

It is a valid option, I did it with my current car, the owner gave me the logbook, signed everything over, I brought it to the tax office 1/2 days later and they taxed it and sent the book off.

They shouldn't have.

Foxhole Norman

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

They shouldn't have.

Shouldn't have, but they did, it's not a problem assuming the receiver isn't a scumbag to be honest. What's to stop the seller going with them to the tax office with the new owner with the signed book and doing it? Same thing.

Chucken

AgreeableSir wrote: »

Hi there. I'm looking to buy a car from someone privately. He lives in Dublin and I live about 2 hours away and he understandably won't come to me.

So my question is how do I get the car to me? It has nct but no tax so how do I get it to me on the road?

Thanks for the replies!

You have seen the car?

Jb1989

Jb1989 wrote: »

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I thought most did require to be insured??

It's a common misconception, and one that seems to be posted in here quite a lot, but it's not actually true.

There may be a clause in individual policies that the car cannot be registered to your own address, or be registered in your partner's name - for obvious reasons - but the car doesn't need to be insured as it is only 3rd party cover in any instance.

With regards to the tax, I believe the new owner can take the lot book to the tax office and have a new tax disc issued from the date of purchase, but I may have that part incorrect so perhaps someone else could confirm this.

slimjimmc

Deleted User wrote: »

With regards to the tax, I believe the new owner can take the lot book to the tax office and have a new tax disc issued from the date of purchase, but I may have that part incorrect so perhaps someone else could confirm this.

http://www.environ.ie/en/LocalGovernment/MotorTax/Renewal/

Renewing motor tax where there is:

• a change in ownership, following completion/dispatch of the relevant change in ownership form, viz. RF200 (pre 1993 vehicles), vehicle licensing certificate (post 1993 vehicles) or vehicle registration certificate (post May 2004 vehicles)

The following are required to renew motor tax in these circumstances:

• Tax renewal Form RF100A available from Motor Tax Offices, Public Libraries and Garda Stations.
• Appropriate fee
• A certificate of roadworthiness /pass statement issued by an authorised tester for all goods vehicles/buses/coaches/ambulances one year old or over. Goods trailers having a design gross vehicle weight exceeding 3,500 kgs, one year old or over.
• A weight docket from an authorised weightbridge (only applies to a new owner of a goods vehicle)
• A goods declaration Form RF111a, available from Motor Tax Office (only applies to a light goods vehicle whose unladen weight does not exceed 1524 kg )
• PSV licence (only applies to small andlarge public service vehicles)
• Article 60 licence (only applies to school buses)
• A certificate of approval from the Revenue Commissioners for a disabled driver/passenger (only applies to an exempt vehicle)

QuinDixie

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a common misconception, and one that seems to be posted in here quite a lot, but it's not actually true.

There may be a clause in individual policies that the car cannot be registered to your own address, or be registered in your partner's name - for obvious reasons - but the car doesn't need to be insured as it is only 3rd party cover in any instance.

With regards to the tax, I believe the new owner can take the lot book to the tax office and have a new tax disc issued from the date of purchase, but I may have that part incorrect so perhaps someone else could confirm this.

Let me clear up some misconceptions you and other posters seem to have.
the OP needs someone who has comprehensive insurance that allows them to drive other cars 3rd party.Simple enough.
The OP can move the car without tax, if stopped by garda, they just say they have bought the car and are in the process of getting tax.
Its not complicated, its done everyday in Ireland.

magicmushroom

AgreeableSir wrote: »

This will be my first car and I have no insurance. That's why I was looking for someone to drive it for me. Also I am waiting on my full license so that's a pain.

When I bought my first car, my Dad came with me.
He called his insurance company and added the car to his insurance and drove it home for me.

I then got my own insurance sorted out after.

QuinDixie

QuinDixie wrote: »

Let me clear up some misconceptions you and other posters seem to have.
.

Which misconception do I seem to have?

Tea 1000

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a common misconception, and one that seems to be posted in here quite a lot, but it's not actually true.

There may be a clause in individual policies that the car cannot be registered to your own address, or be registered in your partner's name - for obvious reasons - but the car doesn't need to be insured as it is only 3rd party cover in any instance.

With regards to the tax, I believe the new owner can take the lot book to the tax office and have a new tax disc issued from the date of purchase, but I may have that part incorrect so perhaps someone else could confirm this.

Some insurance companies require the car to be insured by someone. Others don't, it depends. Call the company and ask.
But more importantly, someone mentioned, have you seen the car? Bring someone who knows what they're at to look with you. It might be a ball of dung for all you know. An NCT does not a good car make!!

Special Circumstances

QuinDixie wrote: »

Let me clear up some misconceptions you and other posters seem to have.
the OP needs someone who has comprehensive insurance that allows them to drive other cars 3rd party.Simple enough.
The OP can move the car without tax, if stopped by garda, they just say they have bought the car and are in the process of getting tax.
Its not complicated, its done everyday in Ireland.

Not necessarily.


http://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2056825204



Awkwards...:o

ironclaw

QuinDixie wrote: »

The OP can move the car without tax, if stopped by garda, they just say they have bought the car and are in the process of getting tax.
Its not complicated, its done everyday in Ireland.

You cannot drive a car in a public place in Ireland without valid tax and a valid disc on display. Whilst a Garda can use his or her discretion, you are at their mercy. Given they hear "It's in the post" twenty times a day, I'd say your chances of getting away with it are a coin toss. Sure I could just keep the logbook of my car in my car, with some new details scrawled on it and a receipt with a blank date for when I'm stopped. Happy days, I'll never pay tax.

People do it every day but I think it's best to give the reality, not a 'sure it's grand' form of advice.

QuinDixie

ironclaw wrote: »

You cannot drive a car in a public place in Ireland without valid tax and a valid disc on display. Whilst a Garda can use his or her discretion, you are at their mercy. Given they hear "It's in the post" twenty times a day, I'd say your chances of getting away with it are a coin toss. Sure I could just keep the logbook of my car in my car, with some new details scrawled on it and a receipt with a blank date for when I'm stopped. Happy days, I'll never pay tax.

People do it every day but I think it's best to give the reality, not a 'sure it's grand' form of advice.

if stopped garda will give you a grace period to bring proof of tax to your local station. This is fact.

QuinDixie

QuinDixie wrote: »

if stopped garda will give you a grace period to bring proof of tax to your local station. This is fact.

The garda can impound your car if he so chooses.

This is a fact.

QuinDixie

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Not necessarily.


http://www.boards.ie/ttfthread/2056825204



Awkwards...:o

the car the op is looking at has no insurance, the OP has no insurance or licence.
so the op needs to get someone to put the car on their insurance for a short period to drive it for him. Its all very easily done and can be done over the phone. might cost 50 euro.
No big deal.

QuinDixie

Deleted User wrote: »

The garda can impound your car if he so chooses.

This is a fact.

If that was true there would never be a car sold or bought without valid tax.
lets deal with reality.

punisher5112

Op the log book can be sent to Shannon by Freepost just put that on your envelope.
Take a scan copy or picture of both sides of the log book.
Get a mechanic to look over the car.

Go onto ncts.ie and make sure the car has valid nct by putting in reg. No.

Make sure car is insured.

You do not need to ever step foot into motor tax office again as can all be done online.
2 or 3 days after you send log book go to motortax.ie and enter reg. And request pin once the details have changed into your name that is easily checked on that site. You will then receive your tax in the post and have an email with ref. No on it.

QuinDixie

QuinDixie wrote: »

the car the op is looking at has no insurance, the OP has no insurance or licence.
so the op needs to get someone to put the car on their insurance for a short period to drive it for him. Its all very easily done and can be done over the phone. might cost 50 euro.
No big deal.

This is incorrect.

To repeat. Most insurance policies which offer third party driving of other cars, do not require the other car to have an insurance policy in place. They are not insuring the car, they are insuring the third party in the case of an accident. So, the OP just needs to find someone who has third party driving of other cars, get them to confirm the above with their insurance company. And drive off. No €50 required.

QuinDixie wrote: »

If that was true there would never be a car sold or bought without valid tax.
lets deal with reality.

The reality is, that while most gardai would be obliging in this instance, legally they are fully entitled to impound a car which does not have a valid tax disc.

If the OP wishes to drive the car without a tax disc that is his choice, but he is taking the risk that he meets the one garda who is not so obliging.

QuinDixie

Deleted User wrote: »

This is incorrect.

To repeat. Most insurance policies which offer third party driving of other cars, do not require the other car to have an insurance policy in place. They are not insuring the car, they are insuring the third party in the case of an accident. So, the OP just needs to find someone who has third party driving of other cars, get them to confirm the above with their insurance company. And drive off. No €50 required.



The reality is, that while most gardai would be obliging in this instance, legally they are fully entitled to impound a car which does not have a valid tax disc.

If the OP wishes to drive the car without a tax disc that is his choice, but he is taking the risk that he meets the one garda who is not so obliging.

totally wrong. to drive another car on 3rd party that other car must have insurance of some type.
If other car has zero insurance you must ring you insurance broker/company and ask them to transfer insurance to the uninsured car you wish to drive.

Special Circumstances

Lolz misconception recursive loop.

QuinDixie

QuinDixie wrote: »

totally wrong. to drive another car on 3rd party that other car must have insurance of some type.
If other car has zero insurance you must ring you insurance broker/company and ask them to transfer insurance to the uninsured car you wish to drive.

Keep believing that if you like, and keep paying those admin fees if you wish

punisher5112

There has to be a catch with the insurance as other wise there is no point in me having a trade policy.
Other then I am fully comp in whatever I drive.

Maybe things have changed or just they don't like many knowing.

ironclaw

QuinDixie wrote: »

if stopped garda will give you a grace period to bring proof of tax to your local station. This is fact.

Care to point to the legislation? The '10 Days to produce' is a Garda exercising their discretion. It has no basis in law that I'm aware of. Its pub talk legislation.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_tax_and_insurance/motor_tax_rates.html

Not only are you obliged by law to pay motor tax to drive your vehicle, you are also required to display evidence that you have paid (i.e., a current tax disc) on the windscreen of your vehicle. Failure to display a current tax disc on your vehicle is considered a motoring offence and will result in a €60 fixed-charge fine issued by a traffic warden or a Garda

Failure to tax your vehicle and/or display a current tax disc is a serious offence and you are liable to receive a fine and/or face prosecution if you do not comply.

Can you stop posting nonsense? Please? :rolleyes:

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

punisher5112 wrote: »

There has to be a catch with the insurance as other wise there is no point in me having a trade policy.
Other then I am fully comp in whatever I drive.

Maybe things have changed or just they don't like many knowing.

That's basically it. Would you like to smash up a customer's 40k Audi or similar, and only be covered 3rd party? Also most people would have social, domestic & pleasure use of their cars and specifically excludes work within the motor trade.

punisher5112

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

That's basically it. Would you like to smash up a customer's 40k Audi or similar, and only be covered 3rd party? Also most people would have social, domestic & pleasure use of their cars and specifically excludes work within the motor trade.

Yes correct just wondering though as in example....

Young guy is driving a small car then has another car not in name but is a high powered car there has to be some thing in place on insurance end I would have to think.

challengemaster

QuinDixie wrote: »

Let me clear up some misconceptions you and other posters seem to have.
the OP needs someone who has comprehensive insurance that allows them to drive other cars 3rd party.Simple enough.
The OP can move the car without tax, if stopped by garda, they just say they have bought the car and are in the process of getting tax.
Its not complicated, its done everyday in Ireland.

Wrong.

QuinDixie wrote: »

if stopped garda will give you a grace period to bring proof of tax to your local station. This is fact.

Wrong.

QuinDixie wrote: »

the car the op is looking at has no insurance, the OP has no insurance or licence.
so the op needs to get someone to put the car on their insurance for a short period to drive it for him. Its all very easily done and can be done over the phone. might cost 50 euro.
No big deal.

Wrong.

QuinDixie wrote: »

totally wrong. to drive another car on 3rd party that other car must have insurance of some type.
If other car has zero insurance you must ring you insurance broker/company and ask them to transfer insurance to the uninsured car you wish to drive.

Wrong.

Skatedude

FFS, just get it towed,

JohnBoy26

Skatedude wrote: »

FFS, just get it towed,

The op lives 2 hours awayaway though. I wouldn't like to be getting that bill.

Autosport

I'm assuming everyone's insurance policies are different I know on my policy I can drive any car whether it's mine or someone else's fully comprehensive, get a friend or relative to drive it home for you but get them to make sure they are covered to do so.

QuinDixie

ironclaw wrote: »

Care to point to the legislation? The '10 Days to produce' is a Garda exercising their discretion. It has no basis in law that I'm aware of. Its pub talk legislation.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_tax_and_insurance/motor_tax_rates.html





Can you stop posting nonsense? Please? :rolleyes:

You dont understand so I will explain the best I can.
If a garda pulls over a car with no motor tax they will write down details and tell motorist they must produce a tax disc within X period.
There is no discretion being used by the garda, A Tax disc has to be produced and if its not there will be consequences.
The reason for this is a garda cannot access a database easily to check the motorist story, its the same for not having a licence with you.
Its not a complicated issue, its the done thing.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

QuinDixie wrote: »

You dont understand so I will explain the best I can.
If a garda pulls over a car with no motor tax they will write down details and tell motorist they must produce a tax disc within X period.
There is no discretion being used by the garda, A Tax disc has to be produced and if its not there will be consequences.
The reason for this is a garda cannot access a database easily to check the motorist story, its the same for not having a licence with you.
Its not a complicated issue, its the done thing.

Absolute waffle. He can issue a fine if he chooses.

QuinDixie

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy wrote: »

Absolute waffle. He can issue a fine if he chooses.

Yes he can, if you do not provide the proper documentation in the given time,
different in the UK due to the use of technology.

I like Belgian Waffles.:pac:

Autosport

I thought the days grace was gone as you normally receive your tax renewal before the end of the month

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

QuinDixie wrote: »

Yes he can, if you do not provide the proper documentation in the given time,

No, on the spot.

QuinDixie wrote: »

different in the UK due to the use of technology.

I like Belgian Waffles.:pac:

/thumbs up

QuinDixie

Autosport wrote: »

I thought the days grace was gone as you normally receive your tax renewal before the end of the month

normally, you said it.
and what if you buy a car off a garage with no tax, or import a car. No one is dodging motor tax, I am simply pointing out there is leeway given.
an example is the NCT backlog. Loads of cars with no nct and the garda cannot give out fines for an inefficient system.
Another example is the L drivers driving unaccompanied, no one is checking that.

Autosport

QuinDixie wrote: »

normally, you said it.
and what if you buy a car off a garage with no tax, or import a car. No one is dodging motor tax, I am simply pointing out there is leeway given.
an example is the NCT backlog. Loads of cars with no nct and the garda cannot give out fines for an inefficient system.
Another example is the L drivers driving unaccompanied, no one is checking that.

I did buy a car of a garage with no tax but the garage gave me a form and on the form it stated the cars purchase date to show the Gardai if I was stopped, it was then upto me to tax it.

Bloodwing

QuinDixie wrote: »

You dont understand so I will explain the best I can.
If a garda pulls over a car with no motor tax they will write down details and tell motorist they must produce a tax disc within X period.
There is no discretion being used by the garda, A Tax disc has to be produced and if its not there will be consequences.
The reason for this is a garda cannot access a database easily to check the motorist story, its the same for not having a licence with you.
Its not a complicated issue, its the done thing.

I'm not sure what you mean by it's the done thing. Given that there are thousands of Gardai working all over the country I fail to see how you can be so certain that the one the OP may meet will use his discretion in such a way.

As has been stated by a couple of posters there is nothing in legislation that allows a Guard to demand production of a tax disc in any number of days. If the OP meets a by the book/ black and white Guard he may very well find his car on the back of a tow wagon.

The law states that a vehicle on the road must have valid tax and must have a valid tax disc displayed. It is very easy for a Guard to check when a vehicle was last taxed. If it's taxed but the disc isn't displayed the OP might get a fine but he won't loose his car.