Ceiling Light installation Help

will56

I have 2 ceiling lights to replace at home.
Normally a straight forward job but there are plaster ceiling roses in place. The old lights pass throught the rose with a spring type thing the other side of the plaster holding the light up.
The old lights are pendant lights.

I want to install a light that is closer to the ceiling.

My problem is that the base for the new lights needs to be screwed into the ceiling/joists to secure it, and I have a plaster ceiling rose in the way

Is the best option to try and cut a circle out of the rose to get a flat surface for the base of the new lights ?

DublinDilbert

Its hard to say without seeing it, can you post a pic? is there definitely a joist up above it?

I've removed these plaster roses before, but the ceiling will usually need to be patched up with fine filler then re-painted.

There's no harm in screwing through the plaster ceiling rose if there's timer on the other side and its flat enough to form a stable base. I'd probably drill the ceiling rose first with a small pilot hole for the screw.

will56

I'll try and post some pictures later.
I'll have to check as well about the joists.

The current light doesn't have a base secured to the ceiling, the cable just passes through so unfortunately I can't swap the old for the new

DublinDilbert

If the existing light doesn't have a base, are the connections hidden behind the plaster ceiling rose? I'd definitely be taking a bit out of the centre of that rose to re-make the connections to the 1.5 sq cable,

will56

Pics of the current fitting

DublinDilbert

Looks like a very small hole in the center of that ceiling rose. Depending on the shape of the new light i'd probably cut a nice hole out of the centre of the plaster rose to even up the ceiling for the new night.

dodzy

OP, is the new light lust a regular "dangling type" or is it heavy piece ? If its light enough, I'd be inclined to just drill into the rose and insert decent plugs, and then screw the new fitting into place. The rose will be well secured.

will56

dodzy wrote: »

OP, is the new light lust a regular "dangling type" or is it heavy piece ? If its light enough, I'd be inclined to just drill into the rose and insert decent plugs, and then screw the new fitting into place. The rose will be well secured.

It would be a heavier piece. Its lighter than the current pendant light shade but its on a wide base with arms coming out (really really bad description).
If it was a flat ceiling its a straightforward installation

dodzy

will56 wrote: »

It would be a heavier piece. Its lighter than the current pendant light shade but its on a wide base with arms coming out (really really bad description).
If it was a flat ceiling its a straightforward installation

Pic ?

will56

dodzy

The rose will hold this fitting easily. The only thing you might notice is a very slight gap between the rose and the round cup on the light due to the curvature of the moulding. It'll be very slight though. Mount away:)

DublinDilbert

Yea I would definitely remove the dome shape in the middle of the rose, this will allow greater access to the wiring. I'd bet there is probably a joist behind there too which you can fasten the n-shaped metal bracket to.