Wales vs Ireland RWC warmup buildup - IT'S ONLY ON BBC WALES

.ak

Team's named today right?

.... Sometime around lunch?

awec

When is the team announced?

molloyjh

Fireball07 wrote: »

I don't think Conan is in contention really, would be surprised to see him involved. Moreso than the likes of White or Buckley even. There's a fairly big group of players ahead of Conan- POM, SOB, Heaslip, Henderson, Murphy, Henry, TOD, someone remind me what the story with Ruddock is.

I don't think Conan is in the running to travel either, I just have him there to replace Heaslip so that Jamie isn't playing the full 80. With the pack that I've selected I don't see Heaslip not starting. They'll probably be just looking to manage his game time and having TOD on the bench will make that all but impossible. I can see a back row of POM-Murphy-TOD starting against Scotland then with maybe Henry on the bench.

vienne86 wrote: »

Is Trimble fully fit now? I'd love to see hi get a run.

AFAIK he is, he's just lacking game time. Hence this would be the perfect way to start getting him back up to speed.

.ak wrote: »

Team's named today right?

.... Sometime around lunch?

Yep.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

vienne86 wrote: »

Is Trimble fully fit now? I'd love to see hi get a run.

molloyjh wrote: »

AFAIK he is, he's just lacking game time. Hence this would be the perfect way to start getting him back up to speed.

There was an interview with him during the week there where he said he's been working his way up to doing the full training sessions with the rest of the team and has been at 100% for a few weeks now. I believe he said the foot is fine it's the rest of his body that's been feeling it so as Molloyjh says above some proper game time is what he needs. Would be great if he can get back to the level he was at during last year's 6 Nations. That Trimble starts every time for me.

The thing about Trimble is that he will almost need to play all 4 games just to get his fitness levels up to where they need to be and that means we won't get to see as much of the other wingers. Luke Fitz is another that is going to need at least two warm up games.

Could well see Bowe or Fitz playing at centre at some stage just so they get game time.

connachta

Bowe at centre? you must be kidding...

.ak

connachta wrote: »

Bowe at centre? you must be kidding...

He's actually a decent 13.

total former

.ak wrote: »

He's actually a decent 13.

He hasn't played any meaningful rugby there in years though. We might see it for 20 minutes at the end of a game but not in a starting line up.

connachta

.ak wrote: »

He's actually a decent 13.

For provincial cover maybe, but when you have Henshaw Payne and Cave, it's madness to improvise like this just to make way on the wing

.ak

total former wrote: »

He hasn't played any meaningful rugby there in years though. We might see it for 20 minutes at the end of a game but not in a starting line up.

Perfect opportunity to make sure our on-field backup has some experience there.

connachta wrote: »

For provincial cover maybe, but when you have Henshaw Payne and Cave, it's madness to improvise like this just to make way on the wing

It's not madness. The logic is we're only going to bring Payne and Henshaw as centres. Luke Fitz and Earls can provide injury backup in 13, but there's a very real chance neither of them will make it into the 23 come match day in the RWC. So if Jones is on the bench and someone in midfield gets injured, who steps in at 13? I would wager Jones would go to the wing, and Bowe goes to centre.

Bowe has already talked about how all the back three players are expected to play in the midfield if required. So no harm in getting him some game time there.

.ak

Balls.ie "probable team"

15. Felix Jones
14. Andrew Trimble
13. Keith Earls
12. Gordon D'Arcy
11. Fergus McFadden
10. Paddy Jackson
9. Eoin Reddan
1. Jack McGrath
2. Rory Best
3. Mike Ross
4. Iain Henderson
5. Donnacha Ryan
6. Jordi Murphy
7. Tommy O'Donnell
8. Jamie Heaslip

lawred2

Lucky for me I have Freesat <smug>

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

.ak wrote: »

It's not madness. The logic is we're only going to bring Payne and Henshaw as centres. Luke Fitz and Earls can provide injury backup in 13, but there's a very real chance neither of them will make it into the 23 come match day in the RWC. So if Jones is on the bench and someone in midfield gets injured, who steps in at 13? I would wager Jones would go to the wing, and Bowe goes to centre.

Bowe has already talked about how all the back three players are expected to play in the midfield if required. So no harm in getting him some game time there.

Madigan would step in at 12 or 13, surely?

connachta

.ak wrote: »

Perfect opportunity to make sure our on-field backup has some experience there.




It's not madness. The logic is we're only going to bring Payne and Henshaw as centres. Luke Fitz and Earls can provide injury backup in 13, but there's a very real chance neither of them will make it into the 23 come match day in the RWC. So if Jones is on the bench and someone in midfield gets injured, who steps in at 13? I would wager Jones would go to the wing, and Bowe goes to centre.

Bowe has already talked about how all the back three players are expected to play in the midfield if required. So no harm in getting him some game time there.

Yeah got your point, silly rules, silly selection, like Bent ahead of Buckley/White.. But in case of injury, what is the exact possibility to call other players than the 31 when RWC starts? Only for QF or before?

.ak

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Madigan would step in at 12 or 13, surely?

Well that's if we see Madigan getting the 22 jersey... But yeah, you'd imagine Madigan would step in at 12... but at 13 I'm not sure. Also, we're presuming Madigan hasn't replaced Sexton at this stage.

b.gud

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Madigan would step in at 12 or 13, surely?

Probably just 12. e.g. Payne gets injured and has to come off Henshaw moves to 13 and Madigan comes in at 12. Henshaw gets injured and has to come Madigan takes his place, same if it happens to be D'arcy at 12

.ak

connachta wrote: »

Yeah got your point, silly rules, silly selection, like Bent ahead of Buckley/White.. But in case of injury, what is the exact possibility to call other players than the 31 when RWC starts? Only for QF or before?

I think you can call up people at any stage, but I think you have to wait 48 hours or something like that? (to be fair on teams from the other hemisphere)

b.gud

.ak wrote: »

Well that's if we see Madigan getting the 22 jersey... But yeah, you'd imagine Madigan would step in at 12... but at 13 I'm not sure. Also, we're presuming Madigan hasn't replaced Sexton at this stage.

For a minute I thought you meant Madigan replaced Sexton as the starting 10 and I was about to get you a snug fitting white jacket

total former

connachta wrote: »

Yeah got your point, silly rules, silly selection, like Bent ahead of Buckley/White.. But in case of injury, what is the exact possibility to call other players than the 31 when RWC starts? Only for QF or before?

Yeeesh. Bent can cover both sides of the scrum, neither White nor Buckley can do this. Buckley didn't lose out to Bent, he lost out to Kilcoyne, ditto White lost out to Furlong.

You can replace injured players, if medically certified as injured, at any point. The injured player cannot be re-added and the new player cannot play for 48 hours after his addition.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

.ak wrote: »

Well that's if we see Madigan getting the 22 jersey... But yeah, you'd imagine Madigan would step in at 12... but at 13 I'm not sure. Also, we're presuming Madigan hasn't replaced Sexton at this stage.

b.gud wrote: »

Probably just 12. e.g. Payne gets injured and has to come off Henshaw moves to 13 and Madigan comes in at 12. Henshaw gets injured and has to come Madigan takes his place, same if it happens to be D'arcy at 12

Okay, but the point is that it's a highly unlikely scenario where there's nobody bar a winger to step into the centre.

total former

.ak wrote: »

Balls.ie "probable team"

15. Felix Jones
14. Andrew Trimble
13. Keith Earls
12. Gordon D'Arcy
11. Fergus McFadden
10. Paddy Jackson
9. Eoin Reddan
1. Jack McGrath
2. Rory Best
3. Mike Ross
4. Iain Henderson
5. Donnacha Ryan
6. Jordi Murphy
7. Tommy O'Donnell
8. Jamie Heaslip

While I wouldn't particularly trust balls.ie, pack would be along expected lines. D'Arcy would be a surprise though.

connachta

total former wrote: »

White lost out to Furlong.

Wait for that, still have hopes:rolleyes:

.ak

b.gud wrote: »

For a minute I thought you meant Madigan replaced Sexton as the starting 10 and I was about to get you a snug fitting white jacket

Hahah, no I meant if we're at the end quarter and Sexton has gone off.

wp_rathead

Would prefer Gilroy over McFadden personally on the wing

.ak

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Okay, but the point is that it's a highly unlikely scenario where there's nobody bar a winger to step into the centre.

I think it's likely enough in that section of the game. Likely enough to make sure the replacement is up to scratch.

What if Sexton gets injured at any point? Madigan, in the 22 jersey, must be looked at primarily as the backup to the 10 jersey despite his versatility.

sydthebeat

players who i think should definitely play on saturday

7 henry
6 murphy
12 payne
13 henshaw
11 earls
14 trimble (if 100%)
10 Jackson
4 henderson

after that a lot of choices are 50 / 50
eg best / cronin
touhy / ryan
jones / zebo (zebo to wing if trimble not 100%)
reddan / boss (though starting murray with jackson would make sense)


if jamie is to be bubble wrapped then i think we could see
6 henderson 7 henry 8 murphy
with
4 ryan 5 touhy

im not sure TOD will make the plane therefore is there any sense in giving him gametime?

CIARAN_BOYLE

connachta wrote: »

Yeah got your point, silly rules, silly selection, like Bent ahead of Buckley/White.. But in case of injury, what is the exact possibility to call other players than the 31 when RWC starts? Only for QF or before?

At any stage but then that player is gone and can't come back.

connachta

Guys, I'm honnest and recognize Marmion is still behind Reddan, but don't you think Boss' time is over?

smiley_face

.ak wrote: »

I think it's likely enough in that section of the game. Likely enough to make sure the replacement is up to scratch.

What if Sexton gets injured at any point? Madigan, in the 22 jersey, must be looked at primarily as the backup to the 10 jersey despite his versatility.

Against England in the 6 nations, Jones came on for Payne at 70mins, Jones played on the right wing and Bowe moved in to 13.
Madigan had already replaced Sexton at 54mins.

If Sexton hadn't have come off, Madigan would probably have come on for Payne and would have played at 12 and Henshaw would have moved out to 13 I'd imagine.

sydthebeat

connachta wrote: »

Guys, I'm honnest and recognize Marmion is still behind Reddan, but don't you think Boss' time is over?

boss was quite good towards the end of last season, though he was terrible at the start.

marmion hasnt exactly kicked on from his earlier promise, though i dont think hes had enough opportunity at international to show what he can do.

its a hard one to call because its all down to what joe sees in the training camps, and how exact both are at carrying out their duties