Where are all the immigrants from?

Winty

Great little website that lets you look at what country's immigrants are from and just as cool where Irish people are going. Enjoy


http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/international-migrant-population-country-origin-and-destination

riffmongous

1000 Irish people in Papua New Guinea?

CardBordWindow

riffmongous wrote: »

1000 Irish people in Papua New Guinea?

Looks like 1000 is the lowest figure it gives.

Mr. Incognito

They are from Immigra.

Wonderful place.

steddyeddy

riffmongous wrote: »

1000 Irish people in Papua New Guinea?

Yep their president, Patrick O Neil is of Irish descent.

mdebets

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yep their president, Patrick O Neil is of Irish descent.

He seems to be a distant cousin of Bertie.

Wikipedia wrote:

In June 2014, when a corruption watchdog found out that O'Neill allegedly expropriated $31 million of public funds, he shut down that watchdog and sacked the police chief of operations and several deputy police commissioners. The scandal is said to be linked to the Paraka Scam.

CSO does very similar statistics OP; presumably MPI relies heavily on Eurostat who themselves get their Irish stats from the CSO.

Statsitical tables: population & diversity (Census 2011)
http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/census2011profile6/Profile,6,Migration,and,Diversity,Tables,and,Appendices.pdf

Lux23

riffmongous wrote: »

1000 Irish people in Papua New Guinea?

I know people there, its a tax exile country.

pickarooney

Only 1000 people from the UK in France. Nonsense.

Irish Guitarist

If you select 'Poland' the map of Ireland is almost totally obscured by the blue dot.

westcoast66

Friend of mine worked for the CSO. Anytime he arrived at a house that he knew there were a load of chinese in, they wouldn't answer the door or fill in the census form. Sacred ****less of anyone with a uniform/badge. So I'd take these stats with a pinch of salt.

Nodin

riffmongous wrote: »

1000 Irish people in Papua New Guinea?

That haven't sweated to death......?

The Backwards Man

I'd say that is about as accurate as a drunk water buffalo. Try walking into any bar in the US without being accosted by some almighty bore of an Irish person. Similarly, I have never in my life met an Irish person in a pub in Botswana.

dub_skav

westcoast66 wrote: »

Friend of mine worked for the CSO. Anytime he arrived at a house that he knew there were a load of chinese in, they wouldn't answer the door or fill in the census form. Sacred ****less of anyone with a uniform/badge. So I'd take these stats with a pinch of salt.

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westcoast66

westcoast66 wrote: »

Friend of mine worked for the CSO. Anytime he arrived at a house that he knew there were a load of chinese in, they wouldn't answer the door or fill in the census form. Sacred ****less of anyone with a uniform/badge. So I'd take these stats with a pinch of salt.

Your friend should also have told you that he was instructed to himself estimate the number of individuals in that house, and whatever details he could acquire, for the Census.

The CSO pay enumerators per census return, and non-compliance is a criminal offence, and it is prosecuted. The rate of non compliance with the census is statistically insignificant.

RichardCeann

The rate of non compliance with the census is statistically insignificant.

Lol. The 2006 census estimated that there were only 63,000 Polish nationals in the country. The Polish ambassador at the time stated that there were 200,000 Poles in Ireland.

http://books.google.ie/books?id=-U5WJzXtVC4C&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=polish+ambassador+2006+census&source=bl&ots=fHaznQ0sBI&sig=lPxb8JZxPXOifKD-y_DweYCeG8o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CPfJUun4F43Q7Ab4rICwCg&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBQ

There are huge discrepancies in the numbers. In the most recent census estimated that there were 17,000 Chinese in the state. That's definitely out a bit.

RichardCeann

RichardCeann wrote: »

Lol. The 2006 census estimated that there were only 63,000 Polish nationals in the country. The Polish ambassador at the time stated that there were 200,000 Poles in Ireland.

http://books.google.ie/books?id=-U5WJzXtVC4C&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=polish+ambassador+2006+census&source=bl&ots=fHaznQ0sBI&sig=lPxb8JZxPXOifKD-y_DweYCeG8o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CPfJUun4F43Q7Ab4rICwCg&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBQ

That author is mistaken. The Polish ambassador referred to the Irish economy as having absorbed 200,000 migrant workers, not all of them Polish, and does not seem to have taken account of returning migrants. I'd like to know what the 200,000 figure is based on, or why on Earth Poles would have felt the need to lie in the 2006 census, when their rights to live in Ireland were not constrained.

I believe the CSO's figures, not your hunches.

If you believe there are "huge" discrepancies, then show us some evidence or anomalies.

ScumLord

Where are all the cowboys gone? It doesn't seem to have an answer for that.

Nodin

RichardCeann wrote: »

Lol. The 2006 census estimated that there were only 63,000 Polish nationals in the country. The Polish ambassador at the time stated that there were 200,000 Poles in Ireland.

http://books.google.ie/books?id=-U5WJzXtVC4C&pg=PA104&lpg=PA104&dq=polish+ambassador+2006+census&source=bl&ots=fHaznQ0sBI&sig=lPxb8JZxPXOifKD-y_DweYCeG8o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CPfJUun4F43Q7Ab4rICwCg&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBQ

There are huge discrepancies in the numbers. In the most recent census estimated that there were 17,000 Chinese in the state. That's definitely out a bit.

Are you bringing in estimates using the missing swan method?

NachoBusiness

About as accurate as a magic Eight Ball.

RichardCeann

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That author is mistaken. The Polish ambassador referred to the Irish economy as having absorbed 200,000 migrant workers, not all of them Polish, and does not seem to have taken account of returning migrants. I'd like to know what the 200,000 figure is based on, or why on Earth Poles would have felt the need to lie in the 2006 census, when their rights to live in Ireland were not constrained.

I believe the CSO's figures, not your hunches.

If you believe there are "huge" discrepancies, then show us some evidence or anomalies.

The author is mistaken? The author is Mirosław Pawlak. The Polish ambassador!

RichardCeann

The Minister of State for integration, Conor Lenihan, said recently he believed last year's census gave a "serious underestimate" of the number of foreign nationals living in the country and speculated that the non-Irish population could amount to 13-15 per cent of the total, rather than the 10 per cent reported in the census.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/taking-stock-migrants-in-ireland-1.978904

The Chinese Embassy does not have exact statistics on the number of Chinese people living in Ireland. Some Chinese people do not register with the Chinese Embassy, but the Embassy estimates that there are approximately 30,000 Chinese people in Ireland, of which 3 000 are students studying in many different types of third level institutions all over Ireland.1 Population estimates using, work permits, visa data and residency figures puts the Chinese population at about 60 000 members. The Garda National Immigration Bureau recorded 31,338 student visas in 2004, of which 15 933 were issued to students coming from China. Media estimates of the population perhaps inflate the population and cite that they expect the 2006 census to show that there are between 120 000 and 130 000 Chinese people in Ireland, with the majority based in Dublin.4 We suggest that the real number probably lies somewhere between 60 000 and 100 000 Chinese in Ireland and predict that the forthcoming census will indicate that the Chinese community is the second largest ethnic group in Ireland after the Polish.
In general, there are two groups of Chinese people in Ireland according to their visa status. The “settled” group comprises those with long term residency in Ireland or those with Irish citizenship. The other group is made up of those who have student visas or work permits. This second group is the largest group of the Chinese community in Ireland.

https://ec.europa.eu/migrant-integration/index.cfm?action=furl.go&go=/librarydoc/chinese-students-in-ireland

Mena

RichardCeann wrote: »

The author is mistaken? The author is Mirosław Pawlak. The Polish ambassador!

And that makes him infallible? Alrighty then.

Nodin

Mena wrote: »

And that makes him infallible? Alrighty then.

He is a Pole. They are Poles. Being thus connected he can sense the others and they him. Being of rank in the great Polish collective hive, he can make accurate estimates as to how many other Poles are in his area.

RichardCeann

Nodin wrote: »

He is a Pole. They are Poles. Being thus connected he can sense the others and they him. Being of rank in the great Polish collective hive, he can make accurate estimates as to how many other Poles are in his area.

He is not any old Polish citizen living in Ireland. He was the Polish ambassador here. Also, it must be remembered that Polish emigrants abroad can vote - once they are registered with their respective embassy.

So, yes. I do think that he would have a better handle on the numbers living here than our government. Anyone who thinks that there were only 63,000 Polish nationals living here during the height of the boom and only 17,000 Chinese nationals living here today, would swallow a brick. Even government ministers at the time acknowledged that the numbers were seriously underestimated.

homerjay2005

westcoast66 wrote: »

Friend of mine worked for the CSO. Anytime he arrived at a house that he knew there were a load of chinese in, they wouldn't answer the door or fill in the census form. Sacred ****less of anyone with a uniform/badge. So I'd take these stats with a pinch of salt.

exactly and its probably the same for alot of other non-eu countries also, i doubt people who have their visa in question being too willing to fill out a form or answer the door.