UFC 190 - Rousey v Correia

Paully D

Date: Saturday 1st August
Venue: HSBC Arena, Rio, Brazil
Times: Fight Pass Prelims (Fight Pass, 12am), Prelims (BT Sport 2, 1am), Main Card (BT Sport 2, 3am)
Odds: Rousey (1/12) v Correia (10/1)

Notes: Franca v Bruno is the Brazilian TUF lightweight final. Lopes v Vieira is the Brazilian TUF bantamweight final. The winner of Gadelha v Aguliar faces Jędrzejczyk for the womens strawweight title.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-bpByHvAZs

Paully D

Correia via KO/TKO

I pity the likes of Rogan having to pretend that Correia has half a chance in these previews while keeping a straight face at the same time. It must be hard to do! :pac: It seems Rousey genuinely has never wanted to beat someone so badly after Correia's suicide comment and has said she wants to drag the punishment out, but even if it impacts on her performance emotionally, she's still going to have far, far too much here and can probably finish it as quickly as she wants. It's a privilege to watch her in action though. Man, I love Ronda!

The other fight I'm most interested in is the strawweight title eliminator between Gadelha and Aguilar and I'll have my fingers crossed that Gadelha can get the win to set up the rematch with Joanna. Of course Jędrzejczyk has improved since their first bout but I thought Gadelha won the fight (12 of 14 media also gave it to Claudia per MMA Decisions.com) so would love to see a rematch. It's intriguing to see how Gadelha performs here.

xtal191

Rousey via Decision

Strange having 7 fights on the main card. I'm really looking forward to Gadelha vs Aguilar too, only two women who have a chance of beating Jędrzejczyk imo.

bur

Correia via Decision

Correia via KO/TKO obviously.

Mellor

Rousey via Decision

Renzo Ronda by armbar

Zero-Cool

Rousey via Decision

I think Ronda will bypass the armbar and actually try to make a hole in Correira's face with hammerfists. Hope Shogun busts up Lil Nog and hope Big Nog subs the shyte out of Struve.

I watched her fight and she landed punch after punch on one of rouseys friends. the girl still stayed standing, heavy hands my arse, rousey is a different league of athlete altogether. Even looking and eye v tate, theres's simply only one who'll give her a fight and it's cyborg, who's technically a man anyway!

I see rousey destroying this one quickly too, very very quickly.

cowzerp

rusty cole wrote: »

theres's simply only one who'll give her a fight and it's cyborg, who's technically a man anyway!

She is technically a Woman and is a woman, That is fighter bashing and out of order to be straight.

Why she get's singled out for Juice when it is rampant in the UFC and probably less haven't used PED's than have.

relax jesus, I wasn't actually saying she's a man, with male apendage etc!!
it was a comparison to how muscular and androgeonus she is, FFS!! get off your high horse, ill take it back if it stop you getting that bent outa shape!

MartyMcFly84

Correia via KO/TKO

It is a bit sad that that people cannot appreciate Cyborg as a fighter without bringing up her looks. She is an incredible fighter and should get the same respect as a male MMA fighter would in the same position.

eh I think you'll find I said she's the only one who stands a chance near rousey. hence that says a lot about her ability as a fighter. the being masculine looking also was a throwaay remark, that's repeated daily when one mentions her name in MMA circles.

cowzerp

rusty cole wrote: »

eh I think you'll find I said she's the only one who stands a chance near rousey. hence that says a lot about her ability as a fighter. the being masculine looking also was a throwaay remark, that's repeated daily when one mentions her name in MMA circles.

Maybe say it to her face sometime.

ASOT

Rousey via Decision

Fairly meh card added to the fact its in Brazil il be giving it a miss live. Correia surely cant truely believe the stuff shes saying in the promo videos can she? Saying Rousey is a fabrication of the media its actually hilarious.
In the battle of the over the hill Brazilians I think Shogun shoudl take it but id rather both men retired. Bigfoots class jaw after coming off TRT will get caved in by Palelei & I hope Struve finally makes the impact I know he can but after the Reem loss he could be ****ed.
Hopefully Gadhela ins would love to see her rematch with Joanna.
On the undercard I really hope Magny keeps his streak up, would love wins from himself, Hester & Cummins!

cowzerp

cowzerp wrote: »

Maybe say it to her face sometime.

don't get carried away, id put her on her back steroids or not. im no shrinking violet so we'll leave to she'd beat you up, my ma would beat your da ****e for now shall we.! that debate's been done to death on here time after time!

cowzerp

rusty cole wrote: »

don't get carried away, id put her on her back steroids or not. im no shrinking violet so we'll leave to she'd beat you up

OK!

CurryFlavoured

Stupidest title fight in history? Correia's 3 ufc wins have a combined record of 1-7 in the UFC. I'm thinking Ronda by KO/TKO, she'll toy with her.

cowzerp

cowzerp wrote: »

OK!

OK!

slicus ricus

Correia via KO/TKO

While I think Rousey should win this, my only concern would be how emotionally invested in this fight she is. Correia has touched a few nerves in a major way in the build up to this fight. I can only assume this has been intentional to try to throw Rousey off her game and force her to do things she normally wouldn't.

Assuming the mind games don't get the better of Rousey (and I don't think they will), I can see Rousey ending this one early.

rousey has the ability to end it early but claims she wants to drag it out and hurt her. that can be dangerous too, any fighter has a punchers chance,...like Weidman v silva.. every minute your in there longer than you can be is also an injury chance. end it early id say.

CurryFlavoured

rusty cole wrote: »

rousey has the ability to end it early but claims she wants to drag it out and hurt her. that can be dangerous too, any fighter has a punchers chance,...like Weidman v silva.. every minute your in there longer than you can be is also an injury chance. end it early id say.

Like Weidman? Come on now, we now know he's elite and Silva was declining at that point. Bethe shouldn't be near a title shot based on ufc form.

If Ronda had 1 arm I'd probably still back her, she's far far superior.

I agree with you but up until the toying around, silva was winning and could have ended it, most would agree on this. the shot that caught em was from acting the mick!! on the rematch, Weidman was at total comfort with his true form and not phased by a declining silva. until the leg brake, Weidman was winning easily anyway, I agree.

the point im making, silva stayed there too long and look what happened!!if ronda can, she should just demolish her in typical fashion with I think she will. take the win once it's there!

Gumbi

rusty cole wrote: »

I agree with you but up until the toying around, silva was winning and could have ended it, most would agree on this. the shot that caught em was from acting the mick!! on the rematch, Weidman was at total comfort with his true form and not phased by a declining silva. until the leg brake, Weidman was winning easily anyway, I agree.

the point im making, silva stayed there too long and look what happened!!if ronda can, she should just demolish her in typical fashion with I think she will. take the win once it's there!

Silva was toying around because the fight wasn't going his way - he wanted to get Weidman to over commit so he could counter him and it wasn't working. He was also losing that fight by the way.

that's one way of looking at it, I wont go off point but I didn't really see it that way at the time. You've got me wanting to have a look at it again when I go home. dinner and a re-run for me so.

all that aside, I don't see her losing this unless she goes off plan. like someone else said, her emotional investment may play a role.

MrStuffins

rusty cole wrote: »

rousey has the ability to end it early but claims she wants to drag it out and hurt her. that can be dangerous too, any fighter has a punchers chance,...like Weidman v silva.. every minute your in there longer than you can be is also an injury chance. end it early id say.

The undisputed MW Champion, undefeated in his career, with 3 defenses on his record, has 2 wins over the GOAT with one being a devastating KO......... reduced to "puncher's chance". The man could beat Jon Jones at Heavyweight and still get no love.

MartyMcFly84

Correia via KO/TKO

Just wondering who would you guys like to see in against Rousey?

Off the top off my head I cannot think who would be better suited that is in the UFC and has not already fought Ronda? But admittedly I am not as current on UFC events as I used to be.

I suppose you have the story of Beth beating Ronda's friends, to add in to sell the fight.

Zero-Cool

Rousey via Decision

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

Just wondering who would you guys like to see in against Rousey?

Cyborg is the ONLY one I want to see Ronda fight.....at 135. No stupid catch weight, challenger should make champions weight. Would be a cracking fight but I think Ronda still takes it, then she can retire and make millions starring in Expendables 5,6 & 7 and Fast & Furious 8, 9, 10 & F&F Remake.

The Ayatolla

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Cyborg is the ONLY one I want to see Ronda fight.....at 145. No stupid catch weight, challenger should make champions weight. Would be a cracking fight but I think Ronda still takes it, then she can retire and make millions starring in Expendables 5,6 & 7 and Fast & Furious 8, 9, 10 & F&F Remake.

Ronda is 135...

Zero-Cool

Rousey via Decision

The Ayatolla wrote: »

Ronda is 135...

Woops, listening to an MMA podcast at the moment and they keep saying 145 :pac:

user2011

Correia via KO/TKO

Cat Zingano with a cooler head on her shoulders.

MrStuffins

I still think Ronda smashes everybody. She's just way too good. I'm not saying she's unbeatable because nobody is, but she's better than everyone else out there.

CurryFlavoured

Tate's probably the only ufc fighter who could last over a round and its only because she's so tough. Cat has always been a slow starter sadly. Nunes could potentially last more than a couple of minutes, she was beating up Cat pretty good for the first 2 rounds.

MartyMcFly84

Correia via KO/TKO

That's what I was thinking.

There are not many viable options for her. She has fought and beaten Tate (twice) and Zingano. Who are arguably 2 and 3 in the division.

Then there appears to be a bit of a drop in the level of opposition.

Holly Holm has not really lived up the the hype she came into the UFC with and McCann maybe a good freestyle wrestler but its does not appear to be good enough to make up for the other holes in her game.

We have not seen Cyborg fight at 135 yet and she is still not in the UFC officially.

Beth is probably has the best case of who is left for a title shot. Probably why Ronda is looking to retire early also, as there does not seem like there are many challenges out there for her outside Cyborg.

I though tate looked very gun shy in the opening minutes against Jessica eye but man is she tough. tends to expose her chin a bit and could do with cleaning up the striking but I really like her and just cant see the whole mean girl factor. it doesn't add up. I still cannot see her beating rousey. maybe it's all that judo but she's just too powerful and focused. it realy does get to the other fighters I believe. wonder how one loss would affect rousey, would she bowl back even stronger.

slicus ricus

Correia via KO/TKO

Wracking my brains here to think of who other than Cyborg could give Ronda a good fight. Is the idea of Joanna Jędrzejczyk stepping up a few weight classes down the line totally out of the question? I believe she used to fight at 125lbs before and she does look pretty big at 115lbs.

CurryFlavoured

Joanna would get tossed around like a ragdoll. Pena is another possible contender, haven't seen her but her record since tuf is great.

Davei141

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Cyborg is the ONLY one I want to see Ronda fight.....at 135. No stupid catch weight, challenger should make champions weight. Would be a cracking fight but I think Ronda still takes it, then she can retire and make millions starring in Expendables 5,6 & 7 and Fast & Furious 8, 9, 10 & F&F Remake.

Rousey wins at either weight IMO. I don't want to see a 135 fight with Cyborg almost dying to make weight (if she somehow can) and having zero energy. What's the point it wouldn't be competitive. On the champion/challenger point nobody cares about the belt or weight class this is about who is the best female fighter on the planet.

Catchweight 140 is the fairest. Screw the belt.

darced

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TimRiggins

Correia via KO/TKO

darced wrote: »

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I thought her stand up looked decent any time we saw it. She seems to have very fast hands, I do think she might beat up Bethe on the feet for awhile.

I'm very interested in what approach Bethe is going to have. I think the best bet would be to circle away from her and try to land shots at range. It seems if any of the entire 135 woman's division just can't stop her when she gets into the clinch.

Davei141

Her hands are fine. It's a bit of a myth that she has rubbish stand up, lets people believe she has a tiny chance at losing.

stiffler123

Correia via KO/TKO

Shogun really needs to retire. His chin is gone completely and I would prefer to not see him take any more punishment. Looking forward to Rondas fight even if the result is already a foregone conclusion.

darced

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ASOT

Rousey via Decision

stiffler123 wrote: »

Shogun really needs to retire. His chin is gone completely and I would prefer to not see him take any more punishment. Looking forward to Rondas fight even if the result is already a foregone conclusion.

From that card alone I wouldn't mind seeing Shogun, Both Nogs & Bigfoot hanging it up before there brains turn to mush!

Paully D

Correia via KO/TKO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB3lg0f6d54

Mellor

Rousey via Decision

slicus ricus wrote: »

While I think Rousey should win this, my only concern would be how emotionally invested in this fight she is. Correia has touched a few nerves in a major way in the build up to this fight.

Ronda has been competing her whole life. I’d be really shocked if she was emotional invested to the point where she doesn’t follow her gameplan.

Gumbi wrote: »

Silva was toying around because the fight wasn't going his way - he wanted to get Weidman to over commit so he could counter him and it wasn't working. He was also losing that fight by the way.

This.

Why does everyone forget that. Before the “lucky punch” he has Silva in really tight heel hook. I think people missed how close he was to finishing early.

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

Off the top off my head I cannot think who would be better suited that is in the UFC and has not already fought Ronda? But admittedly I am not as current on UFC events as I used to be.

You are pretty much on the money. She has cleared out the division better than Demetrious Johnson and Jon Jones combined

slicus ricus wrote: »

Wracking my brains here to think of who other than Cyborg could give Ronda a good fight. Is the idea of Joanna Jędrzejczyk stepping up a few weight classes down the line totally out of the question? I believe she used to fight at 125lbs before and she does look pretty big at 115lbs.

Ronda is a clear 2 divisions above, JJ would need a TUE for TRT and about 2 years to make 135 competitively.

Davei141 wrote: »

Her hands are fine. It's a bit of a myth that she has rubbish stand up, lets people believe she has a tiny chance at losing.

I’m not sure that I’d call it rubbish but she sacrifices head movement, range control, and defence in order to secure the clinch. It’s not down to ability though, it’s a conscious decision to do it.
Most of the time any punches she eats on the way in will not affect the fight. But if she catches one right on the button, there’s a chance her legs will give out for a second.

slicus ricus

Correia via KO/TKO

Mellor wrote: »

Ronda has been competing her whole life. I’d be really shocked if she was emotional invested to the point where she doesn’t follow her gameplan.

I would be shocked too to be honest. Having said that, I was also shocked to hear Daniel Cormier saying John Jones' antics threw him off his game and he also has been competing his whole life. While very unlikely, it is possible.

Mellor wrote: »

Ronda is a clear 2 divisions above, JJ would need a TUE for TRT and about 2 years to make 135 competitively.

I agree about the clear 2 divisions and how JJ would be likely to struggle with Ronda's strength and ability in the clinch. It would be interesting to see how Ronda would cope with a striker in her own weight class who hits as hard and accurately as JJ though. I know it's a pretty unrealistic argument I'm presenting here but I do think the only way Ronda will get beaten is by an elite level striker who can keep the fight on the feet.

Had to laugh when I read the comment about the TUE for TRT:D.

cowzerp

darced wrote: »

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Her striking is terrible
Has awful head movement and poor punching technique
let's be honest it's her judo and BJJ that is what makes her what she is and when the ladies don't have the power to back up their hands it's to easy to walk through the punches to get the clinch

Cyborg may have the power to stop her walking through to clinch and not many others do or nobody that i am aware of anyway

Mellor

Rousey via Decision

slicus ricus wrote: »

I do think the only way Ronda will get beaten is by an elite level striker who can keep the fight on the feet.

An elite striker might stop her in the way in if she attempts the same sloppy clinch entry.
I've always said I'd love to see her against an truy elite bjj fighter would be happy to jump guard.

MartyMcFly84

Correia via KO/TKO

There was talk of Gabbi Garcia trying out MMA.

She had lost a lot of weight recently with the aim to compete at 145/135. But I have not heard anything more about it.

cowzerp

Mellor wrote: »

An elite striker might stop her in the way in if she attempts the same sloppy clinch entry.
I've always said I'd love to see her against an truy elite bjj fighter would be happy to jump guard.

skillfull striking isn't enough. They need to have power that can at least rock her and ideally ko her, This is why her style is so effective in female MMA, the exact same style in male MMA would be getting ko'd regularly.

Her against an elite BJJ girl would be an interesting sub wrestling match but with her ability top put it where she wants would still be advantage Rousey

Mellor

Rousey via Decision

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

There was talk of Gabbi Garcia trying out MMA.

She had lost a lot of weight recently with the aim to compete at 145/135. But I have not heard anything more about it.

She lost a lot of weight, but she's still pretty big. She's like 6'2". I'd say her debut will be at 185.

Michelle Nicolini and Mackenzie Dern both have the ability for Ronda, but they'd be 115er I think.
Kyra Gracie was supposed to be moving to MMA, but she took a year off to have a baby.

Mellor

Rousey via Decision

cowzerp wrote: »

skillfull striking isn't enough. They need to have power that can at least rock her and ideally ko her, This is why her style is so effective in female MMA, the exact same style in male MMA would be getting ko'd regularly.

That what I'm refering to. Elite might not have been the right word. If somebody with enough power can drop her on the way in, and finish before she recovers.

Her against an elite BJJ girl would be an interesting sub wrestling match but with her ability top put it where she wants would still be advantage Rousey

If they plan into her judo then yeah, her thriws all based around knocking the air out of her opponent and setting up the armbar.
I think it'd be interesting if an elite Bjj girl clinched and jumped guard to remove the judo element. Obviously there's a still the issue of being on the ground with Ronda