Irish cars owned by foreign residents

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A query I haven't found addressed anywhere I've looked. Foreign buddy of mine wishes to buy and own Irish reg. camper van though not being domiciled here. It will travel abroad, but not to his homeland anytime soon. How does Irish law view this? (I happen to know it's absolutely NOT allowed in many other EU countries). He will probably use my Dublin address for correspondence etc. Any non-Irl residents out there with an answer to this?...Ta!

Sh1tbag OToole

The Irish law won't be his problem, but whatever country he's in might impose a limit on how long the foreign-reg car can stay there without being imported

savagethegoat

he'll need to keep it taxed, Insured and CVRTd to be legal, which mans bringing it to Ireland once a year. I can't help thinking maybe a UK reg vehicle would be easier and cheaper (for instance)

CiniO

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A query I haven't found addressed anywhere I've looked. Foreign buddy of mine wishes to buy and own Irish reg. camper van though not being domiciled here. It will travel abroad, but not to his homeland anytime soon. How does Irish law view this? (I happen to know it's absolutely NOT allowed in many other EU countries). He will probably use my Dublin address for correspondence etc. Any non-Irl residents out there with an answer to this?...Ta!

Legally impossible.
Your maid can not register a car in his name in Ireland if he's not resident here.
He also can't purchase insurance in Ireland as he's not resident.

In practice it might be bit different though, but legally you can't do that.

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Thanks CiniO & others. I may not have outlined my scenario clearly. The camper (Irish reg.) now in my name, will in the near future take off for South Africa where I / We would like it to remain. Problem: Non residents may not re-reg vehicles in S.A. and foreign vehicles may not stay. My buddy (and fellow traveller) lives in Cape Town which would simplify the whole deal if t'were in his name on arrival. This trip could take a year during which all legal boxes should have been properly ticked in Dublin. I'm (rightly or wrongly..) less worried abut the insurance than the physical ownership document as quite a lot will follow on this. Any further ideas?

Carawaystick

CiniO wrote: »

Legally impossible.
Your maid can not register a car in his name in Ireland if he's not resident here.
He also can't purchase insurance in Ireland as he's not resident.

In practice it might be bit different though, but legally you can't do that.

It is legally possible for non residents to register a car. Immigrants are not resident until half a year of living in Ireland, but can buy a car the day they arrive here

CiniO

Carawaystick wrote: »

It is legally possible for non residents to register a car. Immigrants are not resident until half a year of living in Ireland, but can buy a car the day they arrive here

That's a bit grey area, as actually imigrant can become a resident straight away if he intends to stay in the country for more than half a year.

I believe you have to be resident in Ireland in order to legally register vehicle in your name here but it's too late now for me to look up the statue book.

CiniO

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Thanks CiniO & others. I may not have outlined my scenario clearly. The camper (Irish reg.) now in my name, will in the near future take off for South Africa where I / We would like it to remain. Problem: Non residents may not re-reg vehicles in S.A. and foreign vehicles may not stay. My buddy (and fellow traveller) lives in Cape Town which would simplify the whole deal if t'were in his name on arrival. This trip could take a year during which all legal boxes should have been properly ticked in Dublin. I'm (rightly or wrongly..) less worried abut the insurance than the physical ownership document as quite a lot will follow on this. Any further ideas?

All I can tell you that what you fill in the last page of logbook (registration cert) with new owner details and send it to Shannon, they never check if such person even exists not even mentioning their residency status.

Marcusm

The fraudulent nondisclosure of the owner's residence and of the place of use of the vehicle is likely to render any insurance void ab initio, ie one if those extremely limited circumstances where third parties would have to seek redress from the equivalent of MIBI (if existing) in any jurisdiction where an accident occurred. Third parties in these circumstances would certainly include passengers aware of the non disclosure. Innocent bystanders might obtain a successful payout from an insurer but given the egregious nature of the proposed fraud, I could see that being successfully defended by the insurer.

pcardin

savagethegoat wrote: »

he'll need to keep it taxed, Insured and CVRTd to be legal, which mans bringing it to Ireland once a year. I can't help thinking maybe a UK reg vehicle would be easier and cheaper (for instance)

To play devils advocate here...

no one needs Irish motor tax outside Ireland. This has been already discussed before. Getting registration cert is very easy as mentioned above, No one checks if that person even exist never mind residency. Just use an address of friend. NCT is valid for year and cheap printer will do a copy (for 55e whoever owns NCT could do better job), besides outside Ireland and UK no one really knows what Irish NCT looks like.

Valid Insurance is the only challenge here.

ironclaw

pcardin wrote: »

Valid Insurance is the only challenge here.

Given the journey the OP is undertaking, I doubt any Irish insurance company will cover it. I know for the like of the Mongol Rally etc, no one will. You'll be looking at specialist cover from the likes of the UK

Marcusm

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All I can tell you that what you fill in the last page of logbook (registration cert) with new owner details and send it to Shannon, they never check if such person even exists not even mentioning their residency status.

I'm surprised, given your posting history, that you would not point out that furnishing false particulars in this manner is an offence attracting a fine Of €5,000 (note not up to €5,000).

CiniO

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I'm surprised, given your posting history, that you would not point out that furnishing false particulars in this manner is an offence attracting a fine Of €5,000 (note not up to €5,000).

Well I didn't know that, but I clearly outlined to OP it was illegal (what he was looking to do) in the begining of the thread.