Stairs regs

daheff

I'm looking at a plan on putting a stairs into an attic. I'm wondering if there are any specific regs that would prohibit a stairs to come down to a landing onto a bannister/railing?

Effectively the stairs from the attic would be at right angles to the stairs on the first floor and would come to the landing face on to the bannister on the first floor.

Gumbo

Technical Guidance Document Part K
Technical Guidance Document Part B
Technical Guidance Document Part A

you are creating an additional storey in your house and depending if you already have a 2 storey house, you now have regulations to comply with regards to 3 storey houses.

daheff

kceire wrote: »

Technical Guidance Document Part K
Technical Guidance Document Part B
Technical Guidance Document Part A

you are creating an additional storey in your house and depending if you already have a 2 storey house, you now have regulations to comply with regards to 3 storey houses.

Thanks for this. Yes I'm aware if I am to change a 2 storey to a 3 storey I need to get PP.


I've looked through the docs you reference, but I cant see anything (specifically part K) referencing stairs location......but i'm not familiar with reading these types of documents. Can you advise if my query is possible or not?

thanks

Gumbo

daheff wrote: »

Thanks for this. Yes I'm aware if I am to change a 2 storey to a 3 storey I need to get PP.

Ignoring PP, you may not need that if you make no alterations to the exterior of the building or roof other than rooflights.

daheff wrote: »

I've looked through the docs you reference, but I cant see anything (specifically part K) referencing stairs location......but i'm not familiar with reading these types of documents. Can you advise if my query is possible or not?

The stairs location has to ensure that the means of escape from the attic floor to the hall door is protected in 30 minute fire construction.
The bannister railing may not be structurally supportive enough to carry the weight of the new stairs plus people. You would have to place it onto the landing joists and maybe have to beef up the area it lands at with extra joists/trimmers etc etc
i dont understand your question with regards to the location, maybe a photo of plan will help?

Strolling Bones

Like this ? Can be done

Strolling Bones

Just be careful not to do that

Calahonda52

http://www.environ.ie/en/DevelopmentHousing/BuildingStandards/PublicationsDocuments/FileDownLoad,1657,en.pdf

give loft conversion guidance

daheff

See the link to my project that i'm looking at. This might explain better what i mean on the first floor

http://www.floorplanner.com/projects/32570985-ext-plan-1/edit#assets

Gumbo

daheff wrote: »

See the link to my project that i'm looking at. This might explain better what i mean on the first floor

http://www.floorplanner.com/projects/32570985-ext-plan-1/edit#assets

Still hard to understand what you are tying to do, to me anyway.

One of the plans shows an attic conversion with the stairs for that attic coming down on the opposite side of the house to the existing staircase. That won't work.

You need to continue the new stairs to the attic in the same shaft as the existing stairs for it to be viable and cut down on wasted space as you will have to ensure a protected shaft to the front door from the attic.

Are the plans correct?

daheff

kceire wrote: »

Still hard to understand what you are tying to do, to me anyway.

One of the plans shows an attic conversion with the stairs for that attic coming down on the opposite side of the house to the existing staircase. That won't work.

You need to continue the new stairs to the attic in the same shaft as the existing stairs for it to be viable and cut down on wasted space as you will have to ensure a protected shaft to the front door from the attic.

Are the plans correct?

Plans are as I've drawn them...not planner/architect. Currently its 2 story house. If we extend into attic and put stairs directly above existing stairs we lose the front box room. Where ive drawn stairs to attic currently has hot press & en-suite. Idea is to move hotpress up a story & lose en-suite (maybe keep small wc if theres space).

My question is whether there are any regs that prevent the stairs to attic facing a railing on the first floor.

**plans are not 100% to scale, but are roughly correct.

Gumbo

daheff wrote: »

Plans are as I've drawn them...not planner/architect. Currently its 2 story house. If we extend into attic and put stairs directly above existing stairs we lose the front box room. Where ive drawn stairs to attic currently has hot press & en-suite. Idea is to move hotpress up a story & lose en-suite (maybe keep small wc if theres space).

My question is whether there are any regs that prevent the stairs to attic facing a railing on the first floor.

**plans are not 100% to scale, but are roughly correct.

Agh , the penny has dropped
No, there is no regulation as such but you would have to stop the stairs a reasonable distance from the existing bannister to maintain circulation. Maybe 800mm, 900mm give or take.

Bear in mind now you will have more work to bring the works into compliance with Part B (Fire Safety) as you will have to extend the protected escape route into the new stairs and up to the attic.

Your architect/engineer will have to specify the exact route it will take.

Any new doors that go in at first floor level due to the change will have to be FD30 doors.

While the website you used is handy for a rough layout, I can see problems already with regards to en suite position and realistic head room you will have.

You really should get a proper survey and plans drawn up to ensure the room will work out in reality although once you are flexible with areas etc it should be fine. I don't think the room will work out as big as the shown plans are is what I'm trying to say.

daheff

kceire wrote: »

Agh , the penny has dropped
No, there is no regulation as such but you would have to stop the stairs a reasonable distance from the existing bannister to maintain circulation. Maybe 800mm, 900mm give or take.

Bear in mind now you will have more work to bring the works into compliance with Part B (Fire Safety) as you will have to extend the protected escape route into the new stairs and up to the attic.

Your architect/engineer will have to specify the exact route it will take.

Any new doors that go in at first floor level due to the change will have to be FD30 doors.

While the website you used is handy for a rough layout, I can see problems already with regards to en suite position and realistic head room you will have.

You really should get a proper survey and plans drawn up to ensure the room will work out in reality although once you are flexible with areas etc it should be fine. I don't think the room will work out as big as the shown plans are is what I'm trying to say.

OK..cheers for your response. My plans are an idea I have of how I'd hope things could look. Meeting with a surveyor this week to see how feasible it is, and what else he can suggest. We could put the stairs through the box room, but most likely means losing it. I was hoping to keep it for a study!