What would a top pro shoot on your course?

ForeRight

What would Rory, Jordan, Padraig or other top top class lads shoot in your club...

In my club Hazel Grove(9 hole gem) I think the lads could shoot sub 60 on their day.

slave1

ForeRight wrote: »

What would Rory, Jordan, Padraig or other top top class lads shoot in your club...

In my club Hazel Grove(9 hole gem) I think the lads could shoot sub 60 on their day.

Even I would shoot sub 60 on a 9 hole :P

Seve OB

Paul Dunne shot 63 in Greystones a few weeks ago

slave1

AFAIR Shane Lowry holds the record on Mount Temple, 67 from his amateur days

Darren Clarke holds the course record in my place, 63.

DiegoWorst

ForeRight wrote: »

What would Rory, Jordan, Padraig or other top top class lads shoot in your club...

In my club Hazel Grove(9 hole gem) I think the lads could shoot sub 60 on their day.

I would wager none of those guys would go very far under par on first visit to Hazel Grove. There's a bit of local knowledge to be learned before attacking that course.

Interesting question though.

ballyk

Ballykisteen is holding a pro-am in August this year for the first time. While Rory, Jordan etc aren't going to be attending it will be interesting to see what the pros shoot. I'm not sure what the official course record is but I know Arthur Pierse (former Walker Cup player) shot 61 a few years ago. I'll report back after the pro-am.

markthespark77

think rory shot a 65-66 in portumna when he was 16/17, can't fully remember.

blue note

I often wonder this. I think firstly that by tour standards my home course (Tramore) would be a par 68, because if I can reach the par 5s in 2, they can reach the par 5s in 2 without breaking a sweat. I think only one of the par 4s would be worth trying to drive even by pro standards, but lots of them would be a drive followed by a pitch. Then the greens aren't difficult I imagine by pro standards, so I'd expect them to get up and down a fair bit on them.

I think a decent round for them on Tramore they'd be looking at about a 66 or something. I think a really good round would be low 60s.

callaway92

I'd always have assumed that in my local course (Cahir) that Tiger Woods (prime) would shoot 58/59 comfortably [it is a PAR 71].

Mantis Toboggan

Mcllroy has the course record in Castlebar as a 14 year old albeit not off the blues. 67 I think it was.

agusta

its not a course record if not the full course and whites are not the full course

Jawgap

Woosie has the record at our place - 64.

Rikand

could comfortably see a top pro shoot 60 around athlone.

A lot of holes were a real long hitter like mcilroy or johnson could cut corners and be having pops at greens so 60, maybe 59

charlieIRL

Rikand wrote: »

could comfortably see a top pro shoot 60 around athlone.

A lot of holes were a real long hitter like mcilroy or johnson could cut corners and be having pops at greens so 60, maybe 59

What did Harrington shoot when he won the scratch cup in Athlone?

Boskowski

Hard to say. I'd say sub 60 would be likely. Not the norm but with a full field someone would go below, probably more than one. My home course is 6700 yards par 72 off the backs and considered a pretty tough course by handicap player standards, but thats nothing for tour players. It just isn't long enough to challenge these guys.

For starters it would be a par 68 as none of the par 5s qualify as par 5s. Of the par 4s only two would be more than driver/flick for these guys. Tour driving average is something crazy like 290 or such. So our 450 yard index 1 is still only driver, short/mid iron for these guys, even into the prevailing wind. As for the greens they are proper greens and they can be fast alright if seen to properly, but Ihat and say if you let the rough grow would be the only defense.

There are courses around that you could run a tour event on, but the regular courses the likes of us are members of and play week in week out are just not in the same league as tour player courses, even off the back tees.

We have a few young top(ish) amateur members. The likes that travel in Ireland and play the 'serious' amateur championships. They don't even play our regular club comps cos it would ruin their handicaps. And these guys are still miles away from tour pros. That says it all really.

galwaylad14

It's very hard to know but I'm not sure it would be as crazy low as we think. Especially not if it was their first visit to a course.

Very hard to get a reference point really but there was a pro-am in Athenry recently which was won by David Higgins with -3. Now while he's not Justin Rose or anything he still played on the European Tour for years so he's a bloody good golfer. And Athenry is a relatively handy track as they go I would say. Certainly wouldn't be anywhere near as difficult as Galway Bay would be off the back sticks. And he didn't exactly rip it apart.

I think on most say average courses we'd play on that a top pro if he were to visit and play it would do well to shoot in the mid 60's.
I'm sure if there was a tournament held and there was a full field of them a fair few would destroy it with scores around 60 and possibly even under it. But I'm sure there'd be a few that's shoot over par in that situation too.

Seve OB

Seve OB wrote: »

Paul Dunne shot 63 in Greystones a few weeks ago

well he might not be a top pro, but i think it's now safe to say he is a top top amateur!

that score was in the monthly medal by the way and was still not good enough to win it!

dodzy

Seve OB wrote: »

well he might not be a top pro, but i think it's now safe to say he is a top top amateur!

that score was in the monthly medal by the way and was still not good enough to win it!

WTF :eek: Surely a proper bandit took the spoils that day ?

GCW

dodzy wrote: »

WTF :eek: Surely a proper bandit took the spoils that day ?

That's a 68 nett pal. He plays off +5 don't forget. I hope he cuts himself next time he plays another medal :P :rolleyes: after his St. Andrews heroics.

Senna

I'm sure he won the gross at least

GCW

If you plucked a top pro out in isolation and made him play it once he might shoot mid 60's. However if you ran an event with a field full of top pro's playing 4 rounds with a practice round I'd say you'd see someone break 60 around most tracks everyone on here plays. On a mickey mouse Par 71 with a handful of Par 4's less than 350yds and 480yd Par 5's those would get eaten alive. You could see someone shoot as low as 57/58 (in my opinion).

dodzy

GCW wrote: »

That's a 68 nett pal. He plays off +5 don't forget. I hope he cuts himself next time he plays another medal :P :rolleyes: after his St. Andrews heroics.

Of course , and thanks for pointing that out (+5). It's just hard for this mere mortal to get my head around shooting a 63 in a local medal and not winning !

hurleronditch

In a member in Corballis, given par is 66 I'd reckon sub 60 is a given, but id say if you dropped Rory on the first tee with no caddy and no one to show him round he wouldnt do much better than that first time out. Given the number of shortish par 3s and 4s though, once he knew his lines etc and the putter was hot, I'd say 55 would be easily doable if not lower. He could drive all the 4s bar the 3rd and maybe 8th, and the par 5 12th would be a drive and a 9 iron max (I've gotten on with a drive and a 6 with a wind behind).

GCW

dodzy wrote: »

Of course , and thanks for pointing that out (+5). It's just hard for this mere mortal to get my head around shooting a 63 in a local medal and not winning !

Indeed. Hard for pretty much all of us to fathom. Imagine having minus one shot on Index 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18. So playing Stableford, on those 5 holes, it's an Eagle for 3pts, Birdie for 2pts, Par for 1pt etc. or playing a medal and getting 63 --5 = 68. Mad stuff.

galwaylad14

GCW wrote: »

Indeed. Hard for pretty much all of us to fathom. Imagine having minus one shot on Index 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18. So playing Stableford, on those 5 holes, it's an Eagle for 3pts, Birdie for 2pts, Par for 1pt etc. or playing a medal and getting 63 --5 = 68. Mad stuff.

It really is mind boggling but in fairness I doubt anyone off that sort of handicap plays a huge amount of monthly medal's or stableford comps. I presume he'd spend a lot of his weekends playing in the big a mature championships here and in the uk and playing in scratch cups etc.

I doubt he actually plays much handicap golf

galwaylad14

galwaylad14 wrote: »

It really is mind boggling but in fairness I doubt anyone off that sort of handicap plays a huge amount of monthly medal's or stableford comps. I presume he'd spend a lot of his weekends playing in the big a mature championships here and in the uk and playing in scratch cups etc.

I doubt he actually plays much handicap golf

Well he must have played a decent enough amount to actually get himself to +5 surely?

GCW

Cruz Bumpy Teenager wrote: »

Well he must have played a decent enough amount to actually get himself to +5 surely?

I think what Galwaylad is suggesting is that he just plays big events, scratch cups, championships etc. which is true of course. I was just using those [Stableford/Medals] for illustration purposes. There's a CSS calculated at championships and other events so I'd imagine that's where the +5 comes from. He didn't get it from the "Wednesday Open Singles" type events where the CSS is 38pts that's for sure.

dodzy

hurleronditch wrote: »

In a member in Corballis, given par is 66 I'd reckon sub 60 is a given, but id say if you dropped Rory on the first tee with no caddy and no one to show him round he wouldnt do much better than that first time out. Given the number of shortish par 3s and 4s though, once he knew his lines etc and the putter was hot, I'd say 55 would be easily doable if not lower. He could drive all the 4s bar the 3rd and maybe 8th, and the par 5 12th would be a drive and a 9 iron max (I've gotten on with a drive and a 6 with a wind behind).

Be proud. It's a great little course and in superb nick. A no-brainer for the green fees involved.

Seve OB

for the record, Greystones is a short course, par is only 69.

dodzy wrote: »

WTF :eek: Surely a proper bandit took the spoils that day ?

nett 64 won. I'm not even sure if he would be qualified to win as he would not be a full member.

GCW wrote: »

That's a 68 nett pal. He plays off +5 don't forget. I hope he cuts himself next time he plays another medal :P :rolleyes: after his St. Andrews heroics.

he was cut .2 that day, was about 3 weeks ago.

Senna wrote: »

I'm sure he won the gross at least

he did indeed. i have a feeling it was a course record. He also bogeyed the shortest hole, index 18 :eek:

galwaylad14 wrote: »

It really is mind boggling but in fairness I doubt anyone off that sort of handicap plays a huge amount of monthly medal's or stableford comps. I presume he'd spend a lot of his weekends playing in the big a mature championships here and in the uk and playing in scratch cups etc.

I doubt he actually plays much handicap golf

well coming back from 4 years in the States I guess he hasn't played the course an awful lot over the last few years, but he still knows the place like the back of his hand. But yes when he is home, you tend to see him heading off for all the top amateur events.

ballyk

Ballykisteen had a pro-am recently. The best score by the pros was a 66.

HarshOstrich

My home course has long been described as a "hen run" by members and occasional visitors but a few months back we held a pga event in which Damien mcgrane took part, it was a nice day with a slight breeze and not 1 of the 30 or 40 including Damien managed to break par.
The course is also just over 6000 yards in length.
Course record is 4 under by a local member

newport2

I remember reading an article years ago by McGinley or Harrington I think. They said pros wouldn't shoot nearly as low as you think if they just arrived at your course on a Saturday morning, because they wouldn't have the info available to them that they normally do, such as maps of greens, a couple of days practice hitting multiple shots different ways from the same position, etc, , along with the consistency of greens and bunkers. They reckoned that was worth 4 or 5 shots to them, even for the confidence/reassurance it gave.

Rikand

charlieIRL wrote: »

What did Harrington shoot when he won the scratch cup in Athlone?

2 rounds in the 60's . 67,69 something like that. Did what he had to do to win. Hit 5 iron off the tee on several holes.

At the interpros before lowry turned pro, he was routinely shooting 4-5 under every time. Paul cutler the same

WearstheFoxhat

I think Tiger has the course record in the European Club in Wicklow, I stand corrected though.

yettie1701

WearstheFoxhat wrote: »

I think Tiger has the course record in the European Club in Wicklow, I stand corrected though.

You are dead right. I think it's -3 but wouldn't be sure. There is a picture of Pat Ruddy,Tiger,Mark O Meara and somebody else up in the clubhouse the day Tiger shot the score. The score card is there too.

Senna

I know mcilroy played my home course, Ballybofey and stranorlar, in a interclub match when he was no more than 15. No idea what score he put in, but I'd say a pro hitting irons off the tee could score - 6 without even knowing the course, it's a tight tree lined course but it's short so as long as they keep it straight, they'd have no problems.

AhHaor

I'd love to see the pros playing Druids Heath off the black's (7410 yards) on a smelly winter day with the course playing the full yardage.

benny79

Rory shot a 70 in the European and they reckon that was better than Tigers 68 (course record)
as the rough was at its peak and he shot it during winter I think, so ball wasn't travelling as far. When Tiger played it, it was during summer and the rough was down & the course was playing more easier (If there's such thing as easy there!)

So Pat's son was telling me when I played it last Dec. Very nice people and super club & course!

Golfgorfield

benny79 wrote: »

Rory shot a 70 in the European and they reckon that was better than Tigers 68 (course record)
as the rough was at its peak and he shot it during winter I think, so ball wasn't travelling as far. When Tiger played it, it was during summer and the rough was down & the course was playing more easier (If there's such thing as easy there!)

So Pat's son was telling me when I played it last Dec. Very nice people and super club & course!

Was during the middle of July on a lovely warm day.... was windy, he shot 30 on the front and 40 on the back..... i seen every shot. Was in RD1 of the Irish close, he shot 80 in RD2.

benny79

yea wasn't sure, He just told me it was a different animal all together when Tiger played it. But to be fair I always taught the course record would be lower especially with the likes of them playing it! Just goes to show you how good the likes of the European is!

But what a sport golf is! That us mere morals can play the same courses, walk the same fairways as the greats of this sport and maybe 1 day break a record they hold! (well we can all dream )

benny79

When Rory played it I meant, sorry.

IITYWYBMAD

A few pro's have played my course (Killeen Castle) including Rory (when G'Mac was getting wed!!) and G'Mac. We've also had the Ladies Open and Solheim Cup there. I'm not sure what either Rory or G'Mac scored, but I think the score cards are still there.

Lowry has also played there a number of times, and his caddie Dermot, is a member. I've no idea what Shane scored, but Dermot is a tidy golfer.

fullstop

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

A few pro's have played my course (Killeen Castle) including Rory (when G'Mac was getting wed!!) and G'Mac. We've also had the Ladies Open and Solheim Cup there. I'm not sure what either Rory or G'Mac scored, but I think the score cards are still there.

Lowry has also played there a number of times, and his caddie Dermot, is a member. I've no idea what Shane scored, but Dermot is a tidy golfer.

McIlroy didn't play the full 18 that day I think, just 1-16. At 7700 yards, I don't think many of even the top pros would break 70 by much if the course was set up difficult.