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How Much to Pay for Captain's Day?
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12-07-2015 3:33pm#1
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golfwallah wrote: »But no matter the fee, it still costs around €6,000 - €8,000 to run the day – depending on number of guest invites to dinner, goodie bags, golf balls, prizes, on course food, etc. Yes, you can cut back on some items but costs quickly rack up. And even if the captain’s contribution is around €1,000 and comp fees raise around €3,000, that still leaves a deficit of €2,000 - €4,000.
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and this is where I think golf has gone wrong .... Captains Day should not be some ego trip with a succession of Captains trying to outdo each other and certainly not an excuse to spend clubs funds for personal promotion. The joke is that no matter how big the prize or the sideshow, there will always be moans and of course its guaranteed 'some' bandit will win :rolleyes:
The best Captains always chat to and listen to the members during their year, put up a decent 1st prize to the value of €150 and just simply meet n greet everyone on the day. Spending my subs on lifesize posters of themselves is certainly not my idea of a good Captain
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and this is where I think golf has gone wrong .... Captains Day should not be some ego trip with a succession of Captains trying to outdo each other and certainly not an excuse to spend clubs funds for personal promotion. The joke is that no matter how big the prize or the sideshow, there will always be moans and of course its guaranteed 'some' bandit will win :rolleyes:
The best Captains always chat to and listen to the members during their year, put up a decent 1st prize to the value of €150 and just simply meet n greet everyone on the day. Spending my subs on lifesize posters of themselves is certainly not my idea of a good Captain
Not all captains are like that,
Captains is the biggest competition of the year and the prize should be reflective of that its nothing to do with an ego trip0 -
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and this is where I think golf has gone wrong .... Captains Day should not be some ego trip with a succession of Captains trying to outdo each other and certainly not an excuse to spend clubs funds for personal promotion. The joke is that no matter how big the prize or the sideshow, there will always be moans and of course its guaranteed 'some' bandit will win :rolleyes:
The best Captains always chat to and listen to the members during their year, put up a decent 1st prize to the value of €150 and just simply meet n greet everyone on the day. Spending my subs on lifesize posters of themselves is certainly not my idea of a good Captain
Maybe you're describing what happens in your club but, in fairness to the majority of captains, I'd say you are in a minority.
In my experience from committee involvement in golf and GAA club, most people go onto committee because they want to give something back to a voluntary community organisation that has played an important part in their lives. Those who get to be captain do this for many years.
I know everyone on committee isn't perfect and all of us have our particular hobby horses and biases - it's part of being human. And captains who never made a mistake simply doesn't exist. Nor do those who manage to please everyone in the club all the time. Similarly, every captain wants to make their day special - and what's wrong with that?
It's all very well to be cynical about peoples' motivations, but, just think about it - nothing would happen if everyone adopted the cynical approach that "they're all in it for the glory, etc.". Sure, some lost the run of themselves during the tiger years, leading a charge whereby members voted to build now unaffordable trophy clubhouses, etc. Members of such clubs are paying for those mistakes now. My experience is that the vast majority of captains do their utmost to serve their clubs and members as best they can - they are not in it for the ego trip you describe.
To try to be balanced about it, these days I think most have learned to be more realistic - certainly for the last 6 years or so balancing the books has been foremost in the minds of most clubs and their captains. But when it comes to captain's day, the easier option is to follow tradition rather than clearly thinking through how to provide the same type of good day at far less cost to the club. Isn't that what this little debate is all about?0 -
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golfwallah wrote: »I think you have given a bit more than 2 versions of types of captains with these generalised statements:
You further added your view that:
What you have omitted from this rather narrow mix of views is that the position of captain is voluntary, freely elected by the members, entrusted to use his best judgement in running the affairs of the club (within the limits of the constitution) and accountable at the AGM for his stewardship at the end of the year.
In using his judgement, Captain’s Day can play an important part not only in providing enjoyment to the members but also in giving recognition to various people who have contributed freely to the running of the club. This judgement includes the value of prizes, whether to provide goodie bags, golf balls, on course food, number of invitees to dinner, etc. It is also an important day in the life of the captain, his family and friends.
You may prefer the parsimonious approach of cutting expense to the bone, for example by limiting the value of prizes. But that’s your view and maybe you would implement this approach if you were captain. But, I and, I think most people, are in practice content to leave such matters to the discretion of the captain, just as long as the fees charged are considered reasonably acceptable by the majority in the club.
In our club the reasonably acceptable fee is €10, covering qualifiers and the day itself. And most of us are just as content that reasonably competent and affable people go forward for the position and do a reasonably good job in the process. I have never heard views like you expressed at any of our AGMs or even casually in the club – and, believe you me, I have played and continue to play a lot of club golf, quite apart from serving on committee, over many years.
Hey Golfwallah - Who is this rambling sanctimonious post aimed at as a matter of interest?
I think you have a bit of a utopian view on this to be honest from what I've seen in my experience.
Also no need to mention in every post that you're on a club committee. Newsflash - and this may hurt your feelings a little, but you're not the only boards golf member that is on a club committee so its no particular badge of honour on here.
In fact, you'd almost expect such a noteworthy pillar of the community as yourself not to be posting such naive bs on an internet forum0 -
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Hey Golfwallah - Who is this rambling sanctimonious post aimed at as a matter of interest?
I think you have a bit of a utopian view on this to be honest from what I've seen in my experience.
Also no need to mention in every post that you're on a club committee. Newsflash - and this may hurt your feelings a little, but you're not the only boards golf member that is on a club committee so its no particular badge of honour on here.
In fact, you'd almost expect such a noteworthy pillar of the community as yourself not to be posting such naive bs on an internet forum
No need to get your knickers in a twist, I’m not seeking badges of honour or anything else. I’m merely responding to a poster calling for parsimonious prizes and suggesting that a goodly number of captains go on a ego trip when it comes to captain’s day.
I’m also raising the issue of how easily committees and captains go along with tradition rather than finding other ways to fund the same level of entertainment value for captain’s day without having to cut back as suggested. If slavish adherence to tradition weren’t such an issue, we would have a lot more people playing golf at more affordable prices than we currently have.
It may sound tiresome and naive to you but people, even faced with bad financial consequences, so easily drop back into their old comfortable ways of doing things without looking at other alternatives. When times get hard, better in my view to go back to the basics of balancing the books and finding new ways of doing things more effectively, than just sticking to the old “tried and trusted” ways.
Maybe that’s naive, but it the same naive method used by the German retail discounters when competing with the established incumbents and by the likes of Ryanair in doing the same in the airline business. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, I’m merely saying that there are alternative ways of funding captain’s day than the higher fees or lower standards being talked about. That may be obvious and unnecessary of mention to you, but it doesn’t follow that it’s the same for everyone.0 -
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