Happy Fourth of July

c_man

Well hope all American AHers have a good day. Ye can count me as a wellwisher. So what's lined up for the day? BBQ, beers, fireworks, freedom?

Here's a jingoistic, patriotic, country-esque song for ye to enjoy while having yer morning coffee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruNrdmjcNTc

Conor Bourke

'Murica, fcuk yeah!

Menas

We need some guns in here to spice things up, get a debate going.

Very Bored

Lemsiper

I've just arrived in Ho Chi Minh and finished my tour of the War Remance museum.

4th July can go fūck itself to be fair.

Very Bored

Lemsiper wrote: »

I've just arrived in Ho Chi Minh and finished my tour of the War Remance museum.

4th July can go fūck itself to be fair.

By putting up that Team America song I was trying to say what you have in a tongue-in-cheek way .

c_man

Lemsiper wrote: »

I've just arrived in Ho Chi Minh and finished my tour of the War Remance museum.

4th July can go fūck itself to be fair.

You're like the Brits who have a problem with Paddys Day because of the 'Ra.

Firefox11

Very Bored wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD2RboURWsA

Lemsiper

c_man wrote: »

You're like the Brits who have a problem with Paddys Day because of the 'Ra.

And you're like the person on the internet who hasn't got a ****ing clue but still persists.

kneemos

c_man wrote: »

You're like the Brits who have a problem with Paddys Day because of the 'Ra.

Hey,he's there man.

Very Bored

Firefox11 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD2RboURWsA

Sorry, maybe I've misunderstood your intention but are you trying to equate me having a tongue-in-cheek pop at American foreign policy with me being OK with kids getting murdered? If so, then that equation doesn't pass any form of sanity check. Just because someone thinks American foreign policy causes more harm than good and references a satirical film based on that very topic doesn't mean they are OK with child homicide or any other form of homicide. In fairness, the very suggestion of such a parallel is grossly insulting. As I said, sorry if I've misread your intention.

kfallon

Lemsiper wrote: »

I've just arrived in Ho Chi Minh

Is that your fancy way of saying you got your hole in your local Chinese 'Massage' Parlour?

c_man

Very Bored wrote: »

Sorry, maybe I've misunderstood your intention but are you trying to equate me having a tongue-in-cheek pop at American foreign policy with me being OK with kids getting murdered?

Some people are always "on".

Caovyn Lineah

Today is American independence day. The day when Americans show their deepest gratitude to Will Smith and remember all the men, women and children lost in that horrific alien invasion.

Lemsiper

kfallon wrote: »

Is that your fancy way of saying you got your hole in your local Chinese 'Massage' Parlour?

No.

It's an abbreviated version of 'my girlfriend and I left Bangkok yesterday and travelled by air to the city of Ho Chi Minh'.

Very Bored

Lemsiper wrote: »

And you're like the person on the internet who hasn't got a ****ing clue but still persists.

I don't think your manner of response is correct, but I'm with you on this. I don't see any reason why I, a non-American, should celebrate 4th July. America conducts more overseas wars and threatens more overseas countries than any other nation. It has played no little role in creating the volatile situation the world finds itself in today, particularly in the Middle East, and acts like it has a God-given right to police the world. It never learns from its mistakes of getting rid of dictators/groups only for more vicious ones to emerge. I think that's why Team America, as a piece of satire, is excellent. I don't wish any harm whatsoever towards the average Joe Bloggs American, although the patriotic ones get on my nerves, and if they and their families find some enjoyment from 4th July I wish them well. I don't see why it should be foisted on me, and where I live because of its large American immigrant population, it is being so done.

Rant over.

If people want to celebrate 4th July as an enjoyable family occasion then all power to them, just leave me out.

Firefox11

Very Bored wrote: »

Sorry, maybe I've misunderstood your intention but are you trying to equate me having a tongue-in-cheek pop at American foreign policy with me being OK with kids getting murdered? If so, then that equation doesn't pass any form of sanity check. Just because someone thinks American foreign policy causes more harm than good and references a satirical film based on that very topic doesn't mean they are OK with child homicide or any other form of homicide. In fairness, the very suggestion of such a parallel is grossly insulting. As I said, sorry if I've misread your intention.

You have misread my intention. The tongue and cheek is fine and funny. That just was in juxtaposition to a sad reality in american life today.

c_man

Very Bored wrote: »

I don't see any reason why I, a non-American, should celebrate 4th July.

Who said you should?

Lemsiper

Very Bored wrote: »

I don't think your manner of response is correct, but I'm with you on this. I don't see any reason why I, a non-American, should celebrate 4th July. America conducts more overseas wars and threatens more overseas countries than any other nation. It has played no little role in creating the volatile situation the world finds itself in today, particularly in the Middle East, and acts like it has a God-given right to police the world. It never learns from its mistakes of getting rid of dictators/groups only for more vicious ones to emerge. I think that's why Team America, as a piece of satire, is excellent. I don't wish any harm whatsoever towards the average Joe Bloggs American, although the patriotic ones get on my nerves, and if they and their families find some enjoyment from 4th July I wish them well. I don't see why it should be foisted on me, and where I live because of its large American immigrant population, it is being so done.

Rant over.

If people want to celebrate 4th July as an enjoyable family occasion then all power to them, just leave me out.

You're completely correct with everything you wrote.

I regret my hostile responses, but I literally left museum and obviously was angered by what I saw there

Very Bored

Firefox11 wrote: »

You have misread my intention. The tongue and cheek is fine and funny. That just was in juxtaposition to a sad reality in american life today.

OK, sorry. Though there is sadness in each and every country in the world, we just hear more about it in America because of the obsession this part of the world has for that country. That's not an intention to belittle what happened in the video you posted, its just meant to point out that America doesn't have a monopoly on suffering.

Very Bored

c_man wrote: »

Who said you should?

Where I live (not in America, but in an area heavily populated by Americans of the military variety) its hard not to.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I received my stars and the bars in the post yesterday morning. It will hang in my games room.


I bought this thing for 15$ plus p&p online, It's going up on the wall with a Tipp flag and a Pulp Fiction poster.

Pumpkinseeds

Very Bored

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I received my stars and the bars in the post yesterday morning. It will hang in my games room.


I bought this thing for 15$ plus p&p online, It's going up on the wall with a Tipp flag and a Pulp Fiction poster.

Ah come on now, American foreign policy is worthy of criticism but there's no need to go as far as putting an American flag next to a Tipp one.

jimgoose

A happy July 4th to all who care to celebrate it. All your Yank are belong to us.

jimgoose

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I received my stars and the bars in the post yesterday morning. It will hang in my games room.


I bought this thing for 15$ plus p&p online, It's going up on the wall with a Tipp flag and a Pulp Fiction poster.

That reminds me, I want to get a proper dang ol' Conferacah flag before they become museum pieces.

Very Bored

Incidentally, an American flag and a Tipp one... two things you can be sure to never see at my house .

Very Bored

jimgoose wrote: »

That reminds me, I want to get a proper dang ol' Conferacah flag before they become museum pieces.

http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2013/09/cork-fans-3-630x421.jpg

Ironic that the Confederate flag and decent Cork hurlers are both now (or soon to be for the flag) museum pieces .

DEFTLEFTHAND

jimgoose wrote: »

That reminds me, I want to get a proper dang ol' Conferacah flag before they become museum pieces.

They're going very cheap at the moment, you'll get dixie rolled up and delivered to you in a envelope for about 20 dollars incld p&p

jimgoose

Very Bored wrote: »

http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2013/09/cork-fans-3-630x421.jpg

Ironic that the Confederate flag and decent Cork hurlers are both now (or soon to be for the flag) museum pieces .

Shaddap ya mouth, boy! Damn Yankees!!

bnt

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I received my stars and the bars in the post yesterday morning. It will hang in my games room.

I bet you'll find a "Made in China" sticker on that flag. I visited the Johnson Space Center in Houston back in 2009, and I'm not exaggerating when I say that 99% of the stuff on sale in the gift shop was made in China.

Back in 1776, Ireland was part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, so America was an Irish colony too. It was the Irish statesman Edmund Burke MP who, in 1774, argued eloquently in Parliament against taxation of American revenue. Two years later, it was the tax on tea revenue that inspired the Boston Tea Party and the Declaration of Independence.

Very Bored

What is the fascination with owning the confederate flag? Isn't it a bit like wanting to own a swastika?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Very Bored wrote: »

Ah come on now, American foreign policy is worthy of criticism but there's no need to go as far as putting an American flag next to a Tipp one.

Tipp men are proud of their culture and respect Cork as part of the holy trinity of hurling, we'll fly Dixie just like they do. Yeaah haw!! Like Jesse James said when a posse was sent after the James Gang "Outlaws till the end"
The only thing Jesse didn't realise that a coward within his own gang would be the one to send him to Hell prematurely. :eek::eek:

jimgoose

Very Bored wrote: »

What is the fascination with owning the confederate flag? Isn't it a bit like wanting to own a swastika?

It has certain unfortunate connotations yes. But for me it's about faded grandeur, defiance in the face of hopelessness, wistfulness for a more civilised age, and the freedom to walk abroad and fire your gun and scratch your balls at any by-Cheeses hour of the day be playsin' ye. As long as you're a rich middle-aged white guy. :):)

bnt

Very Bored wrote: »

What is the fascination with owning the confederate flag? Isn't it a bit like wanting to own a swastika?

That's a revisionist view, though - the flag has come under a lot of media fire in recent weeks. Before that it was seen as a fairly harmless way of showing a general nostalgic appreciation of "The South".

Has everyone forgotten The Dukes of Hazzard? The car in that series was called the General Lee, and had a Confederate flag on the roof. When they made a movie based on the show in 2005, the flag was still there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JMyrVZpe7g

vicwatson

I like 4th July as I can have hot dogs and burgers.

Very Bored

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Tipp men are proud of their culture and respect Cork as part of the holy trinity of hurling, we'll fly Dixie just like they do. Yeaah haw!! Like Jesse James said when a posse was sent after the James Gang "Outlaws till the end"
The only thing Jesse didn't realise that a coward within his own gang would be the one to send him to Hell prematurely. :eek::eek:

Ye might be part of the holy trinity but there is only one God and he wears stripes not bars .

DEFTLEFTHAND

Fly Dixie, roll up the Yankee flag and flush it down the bog. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah hawwwww!!!!!

jimgoose

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Fly Dixie, roll up the Yankee flag and flush it down the bog. Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah hawwwww!!!!!

<Fights sudden urge to drive the car sideways around estate with banjo music on CD player obnoxiously loud>

Very Bored

jimgoose wrote: »

It has certain unfortunate connotations yes. But for me it's about faded grandeur, defiance in the face of hopelessness, wistfulness for a more civilised age, and the freedom to walk abroad and fire your gun and scratch your balls at any by-Cheeses hour of the day be playsin' ye. As long as you're a rich middle-aged white guy. :):)

bnt wrote: »

That's a revisionist view, though - the flag has come under a lot of media fire in recent weeks. Before that it was seen as a fairly harmless way of showing a general nostalgic appreciation of "The South".

Has everyone forgotten The Dukes of Hazzard? The car in that series was called the General Lee, and had a Confederate flag on the roof. When they made a movie based on the show in 2005, the flag was still there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JMyrVZpe7g

I understand that there is more than one connotation to any flag. Even with the swastika there is more than one connotation. It could be taken to show the idea of a united Europe, Germanic power (which could appeal to some Germans as the idea of national power appeals to some within every nationality grouping), military might etc. but it is overwhelmingly taken at face value as the symbol of a murderous, racist state. I'm not defending the swastika, and neither am I trying to insult those who have an interest in the confederate flag. There is nothing inherently wrong in owning either flag, it would be owning it because of belief in the system it represented that would be wrong. Its just that I don't understand the fondness shown towards a flag which represented slavery and racism. Owning it as a piece of historical interest is very understandable, as is someone owning a swastika for the same reason, but showing fondness towards it is what I don't get.

jimgoose

Very Bored wrote: »

I understand that there is more than one connotation to any flag. Even with the swastika there is more than one connotation. It could be taken to show the idea of a united Europe, Germanic power (which could appeal to some Germans as the idea of national power appeals to some within every nationality grouping), military might etc. but it is overwhelmingly taken at face value as the symbol of a murderous, racist state. I'm not defending the swastika, and neither am I trying to insult those who have an interest in the confederate flag. There is nothing inherently wrong in owning either flag, it would be owning it because of belief in the system it represented that would be wrong. Its just that I don't understand the fondness shown towards a flag which represented slavery and racism. Owning it as a piece of historical interest is very understandable, as is someone owning a swastika for the same reason, but showing fondness towards it is what I don't get.

Can't disagree, chief. That's all part of the deep, deep melancholy of the thing.

Mars Bar

Happy birthday America and happy birthday to me!

DEFTLEFTHAND

Very Bored wrote: »

Ye might be part of the holy trinity but there is only one God and he wears stripes not bars .

What stripes? Tipp wear a hoop of gold around the blue. Cork sport the blood and bandage..

Very Bored

jimgoose wrote: »

Can't disagree, chief. That's all part of the deep, deep melancholy of the thing.

Have to admit to being a bit of a hypocrite though I guess. I own stuff from the old Soviet Union and DDR, even listen to the old anthems at times as I think they are musical masterpieces, as well as some of the songs, to be honest. That doesn't mean I agree with what the Stasi did or with the Gulag system, just means I'm fascinated by the history of that period. Though I will admit to an appreciation of the political ideas, at least in principal. As I said, I've no issue whatsoever with anyone owning anything for historical merit, swastikas included, its when people try to use those things for malicious purposes that I draw the line. I just don't understand the fondness. That said, there is a massive difference between some old timer who is proud to be from the south flying the confederate flag outside his home and that b*stard who shot up that church using the flag as a political statement. In relation to the old timer its much the same as the ostalgie in the former DDR (which, to get a good glimpse of, the film Goodbye Lenin is excellent).

DEFTLEFTHAND

Come on Galway, beat those insufferable cats and fly dixie in your support.

Very Bored

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What stripes? Tipp wear a hoop of gold around the blue. Cork sport the blood and bandage..

Clear enough?

And before some wise guy says it, no I'm not good with photoshop lol.

Very Bored

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Come on Galway, beat those insufferable cats and fly dixie in your support.

With a bit of luck, by this evening the purple and gold will be heard louder than Dixie and next week the Deise will leave the stonethrowers empty handed (never thought I'd say I wanted Waterford to win *shudder* lol)...

riffmongous

bnt wrote: »

Back in 1776, Ireland was part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, so America was an Irish colony too. It was the Irish statesman Edmund Burke MP who, in 1774, argued eloquently in Parliament against taxation of American revenue. Two years later, it was the tax on tea revenue that inspired the Boston Tea Party and the Declaration of Independence.

Nope, Act of Union was 1801

NachoBusiness

Penis! Penis! Big ****ing erect penis, Mom!

bnt

riffmongous wrote: »

Nope, Act of Union was 1801

I know what you mean, and I shouldn't have said "United Kingdom". The Crown of Ireland Act (1542) was in effect, and George III was styled "King of Great Britain and Ireland". Not much difference in practice - it didn't stop the Dublin-born Burke from becoming a MP in England.

jimgoose