Matchplay Question

Poker Face

Player A takes 5 and Player B takes 6 on a hole but Player A makes a mistake and says hole is halved. He realises his mistake after they have tee off on the next hole.

Can the result of the last hole be corrected after they have teed off the next hole?

Boskowski

What kind of mistake? Not sure he can declare the hole as halved. Loss of hole more likely as by the link below. This is understandable as the wrong information may have influenced ones strategy for the next tee shot.

http://www.irishopenmatchplay.ie/index.php/enter-irelands-golf-matchplay-online-now-link/182-golf-matchplay-ireland/270-matchplay-ireland-rules

5. Giving wrong information to your opponent. You have given wrong information if (1) you do not inform your opponent when you have incurred a penalty, unless (a) you were obviously proceeding under a rule involving a penalty and your opponent observed you doing so (e.g., your tee shot landed in the middle of the lake), or (b) you inform your opponent before he hits his next stroke; (2) you give your opponent wrong information about how many strokes you have taken during play of a hole, and you don’t correct that information until after he hits his next shot; or (3) you give your opponent wrong information about how many strokes it took you to complete the hole, and this affects his understanding of the result of the hole, unless you correct your mistake before anyone tees off on the next hole. Decision 9-2/3.5 explains that if B asks A how many strokes he (A) has taken during play of a hole or on a hole just completed, and A refuses to give B the information requested, A loses the hole. [9-2]

Found a better quote even as it is straight from the R&A rules website and will allow you to quote a rule (number). Penalty is loss of hole.

9-2 - Match Play
a. Information as to Strokes Taken
An opponent is entitled to ascertain from the player, during the play of a hole, the number of strokes he has taken and, after play of a hole, the number of strokes taken on the hole just completed.
b. Wrong Information
A player must not give wrong information to his opponent. If a player gives wrong information, he loses the hole.
A player is deemed to have given wrong information if he:
(i) fails to inform his opponent as soon as practicable that he has incurred a penalty, unless (a) he was obviously proceeding under a Rule involving a penalty and this was observed by his opponent, or (b) he corrects the mistake before his opponent makes his next stroke; or
(ii) gives incorrect information during play of a hole regarding the number of strokes taken and does not correct the mistake before his opponent makes his next stroke; or
(iii) gives incorrect information regarding the number of strokes taken to complete a hole and this affects the opponent's understanding of the result of the hole, unless he corrects the mistake before any player makes a stroke from the next teeing ground or, in the case of the last hole of the match, before all players leave the putting green.
A player has given wrong information even if it is due to the failure to include a penalty that he did not know he had incurred. It is the player's responsibility to know the Rules.

Russman

^^^
Is that a rule of golf or just a rule for that competition ? (genuine question)

Similar-ish situation arose in the Junior Cup a few weeks ago, two guys were playing away and one thought he was 1 up while the other thought they were level. No animosity or anything, they were chatting on the 11th or 12th teebox and one mentioned the score (or what he thought it was !) and the other said, no I think we're level. They just went back through the holes and agreed what was lost/halved/won etc. and carried on, no problems.

Boskowski

Russman wrote: »

^^^
Is that a rule of golf or just a rule for that competition ? (genuine question)

Similar-ish situation arose in the Junior Cup a few weeks ago, two guys were playing away and one thought he was 1 up while the other thought they were level. No animosity or anything, they were chatting on the 11th or 12th teebox and one mentioned the score (or what he thought it was !) and the other said, no I think we're level. They just went back through the holes and agreed what was lost/halved/won etc. and carried on, no problems.

Rule of golf. R&A Rule 9-2b(iii). Not an expert, just looked it up on the R&A 'Rule Explorer', but there seems no ambiguity here.
In your case it may be a little more complicated as the players involved seem to have agreed to waive a rule (or more). You will have to sieve through that one yourself.

Russman

Boskowski wrote: »

Rule of golf. R&A Rule 9-2b(iii). Not an expert, just looked it up on the R&A 'Rule Explorer', but there seems no ambiguity here. In your case it may even be more complicated as the players involved seemed to have agreed to waive a rule. You will have to sieve through that one yourself tho.

Thanks !

I was caddying in the match and there was never any point where either player asked or mentioned the number of shots taken on a hole. At the same time it wasn't one of those "unfriendly no talking" matches. What probably happened is that they both walked of a green (who knows which one) and presumably one of them assumed he'd won the hole when it was actually halved. Definitely no false information was given, so I'd say it was just one of those things were a guy mistook a halved hole for a win, and the honour on the next tee wasn't altered so he just carried on with a misconception.

Poker Face

Another scenario ...

A plays shot from bunker and leaves it in there and in temper strikes the sand (which is loss of hole) before he takes his next shot from bunker. However he doesnt realise this is a penalty and B hasn't seen it happen. Both end up with 6 and walk to next tee thinking its a half.

However B's team manager is watching and saw A break the rule. He waits until the hole is over before he tells both players what he saw. Is there any reason why B doesnt win the hole?