Noisy dog next door - rented house

CaraMay

Neighbours have moved in next door with a large dog and he is incredibly noisy. He is let out in the garden which runs adjacent to our bedrooms and the kids can't sleep at night with him barking. I've asked them twice to bring the dog in so the kids can sleep but the ignore us. I tried texting and calling the landlady to ask her to intervene but nothing.

Where do we go from here?

Paulw

Try contacting your local council dog warden. See what they say.

CaraMay

He's a really big dog (pup still) and they never bring him for a walk. He's very energetic and it's so cruel keeping him there.

foggy_lad

CaraMay wrote: »

He's a really big dog (pup still) and they never bring him for a walk. He's very energetic and it's so cruel keeping him there.

contact the local ISPCA

Thargor

If its keeping you awake at night you need to be over there ringing his doorbell and disturbing their sleep aswell until they get the message, dont back down.

aujopimur

Dog warden, SPCA, Gardaí, all a waste of time, the only option is the district court, but I wouldn't be hoping for an early hearing.

Thargor

Thargor wrote: »

If its keeping you awake at night you need to be over there ringing his doorbell and disturbing their sleep aswell until they get the message, dont back down.

This.

And I'm a dog owner - ignorance of the highest order from the neighbours.

sunnysoutheast

You may need to bring a third party PRTB claim against the landlord for failure to enforce tenant obligations. Read up on it and start collecting evidence of disturbance, efforts to resolve etc.

pandoraj09

I had a similar problem. A lot of people have no idea what torture a non-stop barking dog is. An Alsation was two doors down from me and barked incessantly and was rarely brought out. It drove me mad, especially when I worked from home. The people in question just told me to f*** off when I approached them and the other neighbours didn't have a problem with it. It was one of the reasons I moved out of the house. I don't think knocking on someone's door late at night is a good idea, especially as you are dealing with inconsiderate neighbours such as these. A nightmare scenario for you. No advice I'm afraid, just empathy.

MrWalsh

Thargor wrote: »

If its keeping you awake at night you need to be over there ringing his doorbell and disturbing their sleep aswell until they get the message, dont back down.

Except Id be making it the landlords problem rather than the tenants in this case.

CaraMay

They bring him in at night. It's most annoying trying to get kids (and us) asleep euro the barking

CaraMay

He's outside barking again and I've explained to them we have kids trying to sleep from 8-9. On top of that they now sit in their driveway beeping the horn every time they drive in.

sohappy

sunnysoutheast wrote: »

You may need to bring a third party PRTB claim against the landlord for failure to enforce tenant obligations. Read up on it and start collecting evidence of disturbance, efforts to resolve etc.

+1 ,you can make this the landladys problem

cerastes

MrWalsh wrote: »

Except Id be making it the landlords problem rather than the tenants in this case.

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CaraMay

I texted the landlord a couple of times (to have it on record) and she didn't reply. I've sent her an email making a formal complaint and advising her I would be complaining to the prtb if she doesn't sort it.

cerastes

CaraMay wrote: »

I texted the landlord a couple of times (to have it on record) and she didn't reply. I've sent her an email making a formal complaint and advising her I would be complaining to the prtb if she doesn't sort it.

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CaraMay

It's the correct contact details as they have a business and those are the details she gave me before (she had asked me to help find tenants before for the house and she went ahead and put in pure trouble herself).

Dogowner55

CaraMay wrote: »

He's outside barking again and I've explained to them we have kids trying to sleep from 8-9. On top of that they now sit in their driveway beeping the horn every time they drive in.

Night hours are 11.00 pm until 7.00 am. Is the dog in and quite for them hours? You cannot complain about the dog being out at 8/9 o'clock it still early and the dog should be allowed to play outside.

If it's making noise after 11 get a time stamp recording and report it.

Teyla Emmagan

Dogowner55 wrote:

Night hours are 11.00 pm until 7.00 am. Is the dog in and quite for them hours? You cannot complain about the dog being out at 8/9 o'clock it still early and the dog should be allowed to play outside.

I presume from what the OP is saying he is not outside playing. Sounds like he's outside being anxious and looking for company/attention. Barks from a playing dog are not annoying. They're not constant and don't tend to be as high pitched.

Your neighbours sound pig ignorant OP. Anyone beeping their horn outside other people's houses has zero consideration, never mind the poor dog!

Dogowner55

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I presume from what the OP is saying he is not outside playing. Sounds like he's outside being anxious and looking for company/attention. Barks from a playing dog are not annoying. They're not constant and don't tend to be as high pitched.

Your neighbours sound pig ignorant OP. Anyone beeping their horn outside other people's houses has zero consideration, never mind the poor dog!

Doesn't matter as long as the dog is quite by 11 and you don't know why he is barking he could be happy, it sounds like op wants them to stop life by 8pm which is madness. My neighbour once tried to tell me not to be outside after 8pm when she had a kid, told her to jog on I will enjoy my garden as I see fit just cause she decided to spawn doesn't mean I will change my lifestyle

Ashbx

If you are going to do anything formal about it, make sure you keep a record of how often it happens and for how long for. If you can take a audio recording of the barking. And keep a record of how and when you contacted the landlord too!

ShaShaBear

Dogowner55 wrote: »

Doesn't matter as long as the dog is quite by 11 and you don't know why he is barking he could be happy, it sounds like op wants them to stop life by 8pm which is madness. My neighbour once tried to tell me not to be outside after 8pm when she had a kid, told her to jog on I will enjoy my garden as I see fit just cause she decided to spawn doesn't mean I will change my lifestyle

It's actually very easy for anyone with even a minute amount of experience with dogs to tell the difference between playful and distressed barking.

Dogowner55

ShaShaBear wrote: »

It's actually very easy for anyone with even a minute amount of experience with dogs to tell the difference between playful and distressed barking.

How do you know, there is every chance it's happy outside at 8pm playing

ShaShaBear

Dogowner55 wrote: »

How do you know, there is every chance it's happy outside at 8pm playing

I just told you, it's very easy to tell the difference between a happy bark and a distressed one. I didn't say I knew, I said it was easy to tell. The OP would more than likely be able to tell especially since she can most likely see the dog as well as hear it. Happy dogs generally don't tend to make noise, and if they bark it is usually when very excited and even then is not continuous.

Dogowner55

ShaShaBear wrote: »

I just told you, it's very easy to tell the difference between a happy bark and a distressed one. I didn't say I knew, I said it was easy to tell. The OP would more than likely be able to tell especially since she can most likely see the dog as well as hear it. Happy dogs generally don't tend to make noise, and if they bark it is usually when very excited and even then is not continuous.

My neighbours have westie they dote over that has the most awful whine which you think he was in pain but he not. You cannot tell if heis happy or not from his bark

ShaShaBear

Dogowner55 wrote: »

My neighbours have westie they dote over that has the most awful whine which you think he was in pain but he not. You cannot tell if heis happy or not from his bark

If he's whining constantly for an hour he is not happy. Besides which, a whine is not a bark.

seefin

Dogs dont bark constantly unless they're bored or looking for attention. All dogs bark for a minute or two but prolonged barking is a sign of an unhappy frustrated animal. My neighbours dog is left outdoors in a concrete yard from before 7 am until 11 pm . Not too bad these days but when the evenings get shorter he will bark literally nonstop from 6pm until 11 pm. Anyone take the district court route? If dog not barking between 11pm and 7am, would the courts ignore a complaint? OP needs this as an option if the landlord fails to act. Maybe if tenants get a warning of court, they'll cop on?

Dogowner55

seefin wrote: »

Dogs dont bark constantly unless they're bored or looking for attention. All dogs bark for a minute or two but prolonged barking is a sign of an unhappy frustrated animal. My neighbours dog is left outdoors in a concrete yard from before 7 am until 11 pm . Not too bad these days but when the evenings get shorter he will bark literally nonstop from 6pm until 11 pm. Anyone take the district court route? If dog not barking between 11pm and 7am, would the courts ignore a complaint? OP needs this as an option if the landlord fails to act. Maybe if tenants get a warning of court, they'll cop on?

No if it stops between those hrs, report it to the dog warden if you think it's in pain

sunnysoutheast

seefin wrote: »

Dogs dont bark constantly unless they're bored or looking for attention. All dogs bark for a minute or two but prolonged barking is a sign of an unhappy frustrated animal. My neighbours dog is left outdoors in a concrete yard from before 7 am until 11 pm . Not too bad these days but when the evenings get shorter he will bark literally nonstop from 6pm until 11 pm. Anyone take the district court route? If dog not barking between 11pm and 7am, would the courts ignore a complaint? OP needs this as an option if the landlord fails to act. Maybe if tenants get a warning of court, they'll cop on?

From a relative's experience absolutely nothing can ever or will ever be done about barking dogs. Her near neighbours got a small dog which they left in the back garden all the time, while it was continually yapping at them looking in as they sat watching TV. This went on day and night and the dog warden could do nothing as it was fed and not obviously mistreated. Eventually a group of neighbours went down the third-party PRTB route to the landlord and the dog was removed. About three weeks later the tenants got another small dog but thankfully they moved out soon after.

CaraMay

This is a pup that's getting very very big. I would think it's a Shepard cross of some type. I think the problem is that he is cooped up a lot and his only exercise is in a small garden for a small amount of time per day. For the first time ever I saw them walking him this evening and the man couldn't control him on the lead. I guess that's why they just let him stay in the garden. A dog that size needs minimum 2 vigorous walks per day.

Uncle Ben

Dogowner55 wrote: »

Night hours are 11.00 pm until 7.00 am. Is the dog in and quite for them hours? You cannot complain about the dog being out at 8/9 o'clock it still early and the dog should be allowed to play outside.

If it's making noise after 11 get a time
stamp recording and report it.

If there is a pattern and enough recordings of the barking plus evidence or statements from other neighbours an asbo can be served by the local gardai through the supt., without you ever having to go to court.
I know because a diligent garda in my location solved this very problem for me.

pandoraj09

How can your landlord sort out a barking dog in a neighbouring property?? I have had this issue myself. Nobody will take this seriously...It's a common problem in certain estates as is the horn beeping..It doesn't bother a lot of people. Texting your landlord is certainly not the answer.

cocoman

From citizensinformation.ie

" Barking dogs

Excessive dog barking that causes a nuisance is an offence. You may be able to solve such problems by talking to the dog owner.

If you don’t get a satisfactory response, you may complain to the District Court and seek a hearing. When you have got a court date, you must inform the dog owner of your complaint by using the form prescribed for this purpose under Section 25 of the Control of Dogs Act 1986. These forms are available from the District Courts and from local authorities.The court may make an order requiring the occupier of the premises in which the dog is kept to abate the nuisance by exercising due control over a dog.

The court may limit the number of dogs that can be kept on a premises or may direct that a dog be delivered to a dog warden to be dealt with as unwanted."

If you go down the District Court route you will need evidence. Make a recording of the barking dog from inside your property. Note the time. Keep a log of any incidences of nuisance. Date, times, etc. You will also need to show the court that you made an effort to engage with your neighbour about the situation. Send them a registered letter outlining the nuisance issues. Keep a copy of the letter and print off confirmation that the letter was received.

It doesn't cost much for the district court application and you won't need to engage a solicitor. You just explain your situation and show the evidence you have. The other side will give their version and the judge will make their decision.

Good luck.

MrWalsh

pandoraj09 wrote: »

How can your landlord sort out a barking dog in a neighbouring property?? I have had this issue myself. Nobody will take this seriously...It's a common problem in certain estates as is the horn beeping..It doesn't bother a lot of people. Texting your landlord is certainly not the answer.

She is texting the neighbours landlord.

CaraMay

This is the dog. what is he?

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Dogowner55

CaraMay wrote: »

This is the dog. what is he?

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Looks like a very healthy and pretty mongrel.

Digital Society

I had a noisy dog like this. I didnt even know he was noisy or didn't realise she was as bad as she was. I was just sleeping through it and took no notice. One day the neighbour explained it to me and it actually surprised me.

My solution was to get a shed that the dog could go into. Even tough i actually had 2 large kennels for the small terrier it made a difference. I now have a shed with the door left open with a dog bed down the back of it and she just sleeps all night with another dog i have.

People automatically think a person with a dog like this is being a scumbag but they mightn't even know its as bad as it is.

My advice would be that if you haven't spoke to them just go in and speak to them. If they actually are aware of it and have done nothing go in and knock on their door during the night when the dog is barking.

Ashbx

CaraMay wrote: »

This is the dog. what is he?

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Im not too sure on the breed unfortunately but I have to laugh at the photo....you were caught rapid!

Toots

CaraMay wrote: »

This is the dog. what is he?

dog.JPG

He's a cutie! Looks to me like a mix of german shepherd and collie (possibly a few other bits too) Definitely the sort of dog that would need a good long walk every day. If the poor thing's is only being let in the garden for exercise, it's no wonder that he was difficult to walk when he finally was brought out!

CaraMay

Well I was delighted that the email to the landlord seemed to work until I got a snotty and scary email from the landlady.

She stated the following "We have got complaints about you and have been sent pictures as evidence and certainly you are anything but a model neighbour. "

I cannot think of one thing other than drinks we had one night where my parents and sister in law stayed until around 1230. There was no music / singing etc and we sat as far away from their house as possible and did keep the noise down.

My concern is that my son has soecial needs and has taken to stripping off and running around. We go to bed early every night and the alarm etc had never gone off...

I rang the guards and said we are entitled to those photos. I am really concerned they are taking photos of us / kids while we are outside. There is absolutely nothing else to photo.

What are my rights? I emailed her back to ask if photos were of my child and she said no but they guard said we are entitled to all photos.

ABajaninCork

The landlady obviously wants to keep the tenants, and is trying to bully you into backing down.

Don't. Tell her either she sorts out the noise problem or you'll be making it official via the PRTB. I'd also get on to the Environmental Services at the local council. Report the barking as a noise nuisance.

CaraMay

She told me she would report me due to this 'party' and these photos????

Dogowner55

CaraMay wrote: »

She told me she would report me due to this 'party' and these photos????

Does the dog make noise after 11pm? You have admitted you have made noise after 11pm which was wrong.

Think of the dog outside enjoying himself as like your kid you admmited does go off both annoy each of you but it's part of life

CaraMay

Dogowner55 wrote: »

Does the dog make noise after 11pm? You have admitted you have made noise after 11pm which was wrong.

Think of the dog outside enjoying himself as like your kid you admmited does go off both annoy each of you but it's part of life

It was 5 adults talking and no music etc so hardly the end of the world but it was til around 1230.

The dog has stopped now but I'm concerned what photos the neighbours have been taking. The dog is small fry compared to that

Dogowner55

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CaraMay wrote: »

It was 5 adults talking and no music etc so hardly the end of the world but it was til around 1230.

The dog has stopped now but I'm concerned what photos the neighbours have been taking. The dog is small fry compared to that

Still making noise during quiet hours very inconsiderate, also why are you complaining about photo's when you are doing it too?

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Dogowner55

CaraMay wrote: »

It was 5 adults talking and no music etc so hardly the end of the world but it was til around 1230.

The dog has stopped now but I'm concerned what photos the neighbours have been taking. The dog is small fry compared to that

Still making noise during quiet hours very inconsiderate, also why are you complaining about photo's when you are doing it too?

CaraMay wrote: »

This is the dog. what is he?

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CaraMay

Dogowner55 wrote: »

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Still making noise during quiet hours very inconsiderate, also why are you complaining about photo's when you are doing it too?

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Once in 18 months and not say and night. You notice I have no picture of them up there

It's constructive advice I'm looking for. Are they entitled to take photos of us humans in our own property.

Dogowner55

CaraMay wrote: »

Once in 18 months and not say and night. You notice I have no picture of them up there

It's constructive advice I'm looking for. Are they entitled to take photos of us humans in our own property.[/QUOTE]

The issue is not what the pics are being taken of but it evades the private garden, it seems you both have broken each others privacy.

kravmaga

CaraMay wrote: »

Neighbours have moved in next door with a large dog and he is incredibly noisy. He is let out in the garden which runs adjacent to our bedrooms and the kids can't sleep at night with him barking. I've asked them twice to bring the dog in so the kids can sleep but the ignore us. I tried texting and calling the landlady to ask her to intervene but nothing.

Where do we go from here?

I would buy a sheep dog and let it roam in your garden all the time, they make some racket, neighbour might get the message

CaraMay

Dogowner55 wrote: »

Once in 18 months and not say and night. You notice I have no picture of them up there

It's constructive advice I'm looking for. Are they entitled to take photos of us humans in our own property.

The issue is not what the pics are being taken of but it evades the private garden, it seems you both have broken each others privacy.[/QUOTE]

I understand you could be the house owner and are clearly on their side.

I want to know what the photos are of and I'm seriously concerned it my child

Dogowner55

CaraMay wrote: »

I understand you could be the house owner and are clearly on their side.

I want to know what the photos are of and I'm seriously concerned it my child

LL doesn't have to give them you though.