Why do other famous people indulge Kanye West?

Do Me Good

I spotted his character flaw(s) from the get-go. It's only now though that other people are finally catching onto it... and I'm like duh! The only time I've ever seemed to hear about him was when he threw a tantrum, or stormed somebody on stage.

The main thing I don't get though, is that other famous and successful people seem to give him respect. Elton John once said "I have tremendous for" him. Obama made reference to the fact that he likes his music. Paul McCartney(the richest musician on the planet) also indulged him by doing a song with him. It's this (without referring to his incident over the weekend) that is the main thing I can't understand. If I was somebody that worked hard to get to where I am in life, I definitely wouldn't give some loud-mouth with the mind of a child, the chance to put themselves in the same league! He now has co called "business proposition" for Pete Townshend, who also seems to be taking him seriously.

Another thing is that anyone who's been stormed by Kanye during an award, never seems to see it coming. Both Taylor Swift and Beck were both "happy to see Kanye on stage" before getting disrespected. I mean Jesus, what did you think he was coming up on stage for? Hasn't history taught them anything???!! It may happen again, and people will somehow be surprised.

If it was someone else behaving like this, you might think that they'd be taking the approach of 'any publicity is good publicity', but I genuinely don't think there's a hidden agenda. He seems just plain stupid. I know he can get away with it to some extent, because the very ones who aren't smart enough to realise it, are the very people who are his fans. Wouldn't you expect him to be banned from the grammy's at this. Are artists sitting in fear, thinking that if they win the grammys,that they'll also have to pass the Kanye test? You'd think they'd be some rule to ban him from the grammy's

To think that he's compared himself to Jesus, Bill Gates and Shakespeare!! The man can't sing, or play an instrument, yet he's able to fool himself into thinking that he writes his own songs. Is he even a good lyricist? I'll admit that I struggle to take rap seriously, but are his lyrics good. Are they even good for rap?

Agricola

As with all things it comes down to power, influence and cash. Kanye, inexplicably has a lot of all three. Business leaders, politicians and other musicians obviously want to hitch a ride on that hype wagon because they believe some the magic will rub off on them, either leading to bigger profit margins, more fans, more votes, etc etc.

As for how good he is, I can't say cos rap isnt my bag. But I watched a bit of Glastonbury the other night and I couldnt really understand what so many people get out of watching such a deluded prat shout rhyming swearwords.

Nodin

Do Me Good wrote: »

I spotted his character flaw(s) from the get-go. It's only now though that other people are finally catching onto it... and I'm like duh! The only time I've ever seemed to hear about him was when he threw a tantrum, or stormed somebody on stage.

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They ignore it because he's mentally ill, afaik.

PizzamanIRL

Can't believe you typed all that over some chap in America who spouts words from his mouth that rhyme.

bodice ripper

The key is to have a memorably stupid name.

mad muffin

They feel sorry for him because he's a failed abortion.

LDN_Irish

bodice ripper wrote: »

The key is to have a memorably stupid name.

Not that memorable. Some of his plaques still say Kayne!

PropJoe10

bodice ripper wrote: »

The key is to have a memorably stupid name.

Didnt he call his son "North"? It takes a special kind of moron to do that when your surname is West.

I don't like his stuff, but in fairness he has had 3 or 4 albums that have received massive critical acclaim and are considered seminal works in hip hop.

One eyed Jack

Now that he's ruined Bohemian Rhapsody, he moves on to conquer the rest of what's left of the music industry -

LorMal

mad muffin wrote: »

They feel sorry for him because he's a failed abortion.

That's an obnoxious comment.

diusmr8a504cvk

Kanye West has a Doctorate in fashion, designed shoes for Nike that sold out instantly, has won 21 Grammy, sold 21 million albums, was named TIME magazine's most influential person and is not only one of the greatest rappers since the turn of the millennium but of all time.
He came from the gang filled suburbs of Chicago and is respected by artists worldwide for both his great music and intelligence.

Mr_Muffin

Hes famous, popular and his wife has a big bum.

The Backwards Man

He is what he is, just like I am what I am.

Agricola

Alfonso Gifted Sender wrote: »

Kanye West has a Doctorate in fashion, designed shoes for Nike that sold out instantly, has won 21 Grammy, sold 21 million albums, was named TIME magazine's most influential person and is not only one of the greatest rappers since the turn of the millennium but of all time.
He came from the gang filled suburbs of Chicago and is respected by artists worldwide for both his great music and intelligence.

................ and despite all this, he still has no class!

Massimo Cassagrande

Taught. MOG, it's fcuking taught. Though I wonder who cares. Kanye probably doesn't.

catallus

The Backwards Man wrote: »

He is what he is, just like I am what I am.

Ah, now, a bit of false modesty surely.

He's nowhere near as sexy as you. :P

Do Me Good

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Can't believe you typed all that over some chap in America who spouts words from his mouth that rhyme.

Well was it at least a good read?!

Do Me Good

Agricola wrote: »

Business leaders, politicians and other musicians obviously want to hitch a ride on that hype wagon because they believe some the magic will rub off on them, either leading to bigger profit margins, more fans, more votes, etc etc.

Yeah but it's not like Elton John or Paul McCarthney are climbing the ladder of fame any more! You'd actually gain a lot more
attention by speaking out against him!

retro:electro

It would be one thing if he could actually perform but I saw bits of him at Glastonbury and he was shockingly bad

NachoBusiness

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

..his wife has a big bum.

I'mma let you finish..

But Beyonce has one of the best asses of all time. Of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1JPKLa-Ofc

Cool_CM

Alfonso Gifted Sender wrote: »

Kanye West has a Doctorate in fashion.

An Honorary Doctorate, in the same way that Roy Keane is a Doctor of Law.

Kermit the Frog has one too...

Do Me Good

LorMal wrote: »

That's an obnoxious comment.

You sound as surprised as Beck did en kanye stormed the stage!

4zn76tysfajdxp

Do Me Good wrote: »

Another thing is that anyone who's been stormed by Kanye during an award, never seems to see it coming. Both Taylor Swift and Beck were both "happy to see Kanye on stage" before getting disrespected. I mean Jesus, what did you think he was coming up on stage for? Hasn't history thought them anything???!! It may happen again, and people will somehow be surprised.

Someone needs to tackle this menace.

r93kaey5p2izun

Alfonso Gifted Sender wrote: »

Kanye West has a Doctorate in fashion, designed shoes for Nike that sold out instantly, has won 21 Grammy, sold 21 million albums, was named TIME magazine's most influential person and is not only one of the greatest rappers since the turn of the millennium but of all time.
He came from the gang filled suburbs of Chicago and is respected by artists worldwide for both his great music and intelligence.

He's from a middle class background, raised by his mother a university professor. His doctorate is honorary.

He's obviously influential and successful - that's the point of the thread. The question is why?

I can't comment on his rapping skills as that's not something I have much interest in but he comes across as obnoxious and entirely devoid of class. I've often thought the same OP - why do other successful people indulge his bullsh!t? He's certainly a master at marketing himself to the masses though.

Do Me Good

Alfonso Gifted Sender wrote: »

Kanye West has a Doctorate in fashion, designed shoes for Nike that sold out instantly, has won 21 Grammy, sold 21 million albums, was named TIME magazine's most influential person and is not only one of the greatest rappers since the turn of the millennium but of all time.
He came from the gang filled suburbs of Chicago and is respected by artists worldwide for both his great music and intelligence.

You're from Limerick though, and seeing as you like Kanye, you're probably rough!

SaveOurLyric

I dont know what a Kanye West is.

Malik Salmon Sheep

Malik Salmon Sheep wrote: »

he comes across as obnoxious and entirely devoid of class. I've often thought the same OP - why do other successful people indulge his bullsh!t? He's certainly a master at marketing himself to the masses though.

Are famous and influential singers, artists, musicians, producers etc. supposed to be nice too? Why? I would have thought many of them narcissistic assholes.

He has received massive critical acclaim for a number of albums. Much more so than many of his peers. That's not just marketing.

BMJD

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[/code]the stars are falling over themselves to pay tribute to the guy, wtf like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBWuSJyg3UY

NachoBusiness

That giant flag at Glastonbury of Kim with Ray J being held high throughout his performance..

Man, that can't have been easy to swallow.

r93kaey5p2izun

Deleted User wrote:

Are famous and influential singers, artists, musicians, producers etc. supposed to be nice too? Why? I would have thought many of them narcissistic assholes.

He has received massive critical acclaim for a number of albums. Much more so than many of his peers. That's not just marketing.

Like I said, I'm not making any comment on his talent as a musician.

There are plenty of critically acclaimed musicians who never achieve such levels of notoriety. That's marketing.

Nobody said he needs to be nice, but his crass behaviour exceeds that of most of his fellow celebs and makes the fawning over him seem even more strange.

Malik Salmon Sheep

Malik Salmon Sheep wrote: »

Like I said, I'm not making any comment on his talent as a musician.

There are plenty of critically acclaimed musicians who never achieve such levels of notoriety. That's marketing.

Nobody said he needs to be nice, but his crass behaviour exceeds that of most of his fellow celebs and makes the fawning over him seem even more strange.

And there are other obnoxious types who have had the critics falling at their feet, like Van Morrison, and it doesn't seem to bother people nor is it written off as some marketing stunt.

Artists think he's very talented. As do critics. He's not for me but that's because I don't like the genre, I certainly don't expect that others should agree with my taste and cease admiring his ability.

Chain Smoker

He's a pretty temperamental dude who's very bad at expressing himself. It's a shame that he seems to care so much about such stupid things that surely absolutely no one holds any weight to at this stage (e.g. the grammys) but I far rather someone who's so passionate about what he does that he comes across as a bit of a jackass than some pleasant pile of boredom. It's not exactly like his work somehow depends on him being a likeable character either, a spectacular amount of great artists through history were thundering c*nts to the levels where he'd only be a blip on the c*ntometre.

Damn near everyone who has worked with him has both benefited from the collaboration and had nothing but good things to say about the dude too.


Besides, you don't have to follow his every move if you don't want to. The fact he continues to get more and more attention in the media seems to imply he brings the readers in in droves so they can bitch and moan about how talentless he is (with either no clue what it is that he does or a remarkably snobbish dismissal of huge area of music with a tone of authority), how much they wish he was dead, etc. In this day and age, the fault is as much on your inability to filter your media as it is on anything else.

PizzamanIRL

Do Me Good wrote: »

Well was it at least a good read?!

Honestly.... I only read the title of the thread and noticed a load of text, then.

Do Me Good

Deleted User wrote: »

And there are other obnoxious types who have had the critics falling at their feet, like Van Morrison, and it doesn't seem to bother people nor is it written off as some marketing stunt.

You can do and say what you want, but as an unwritten rule, you DON'T ever say you're the best(even if you think it) OR interrupt someone else's 10 seconds of fame. I'm guessing Van Morrison played by those rules.

Do Me Good

Do Me Good wrote: »

You can do and say what you want, but as an unwritten rule, you DON'T ever say you're the best(even if you think it) OR interrupt someone else's 10 seconds of fame. I'm guessing Van Morrison played by those rules.

Not sure about those rules, never heard of them myself. Did Elvis call himself the King? Pretty sure James Brown gave himself the Godfather of Soul nickname. In sports Ali certainly said he was the greatest. I remember Jarvis Cocker interrupting Michael Jackson on stage at the Brits, and Jarvis is by all accounts just about the nicest guy in music.

Do Me Good

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure about those rules, never heard of them myself.

That's why they're unwritten. I'm giving you wisdom.

Deleted User wrote: »

Did Elvis call himself the King?

That's my point exactly. I always assumed that other people gave him that name. As an artist you lake a clear perspective of yourself, and that's why you let the people assess how good you are. That is why anyone who says they're the best sounds, not only arrogant, but more importantly - naive!

Deleted User wrote: »

In sports Ali certainly said he was the greatest.

That's different. With sports Conor, it's very much a black or white issue. Too much emotions come into play for art. I've a different favorite song depending on my mood.

Deleted User wrote: »

I remember Jarvis Cocker interrupting Michael Jackson on stage at the Brits, and Jarvis is by all accounts just about the nicest guy in music.

Don't know anything about that, but I'm guessing it was a once off.

wendell borton

Cause he's a mother****ing monster

wil

Chain Smoker wrote: »

He's a pretty temperamental dude who's very bad at expressing himself. It's a shame that he seems to care so much about such stupid things that surely absolutely no one holds any weight to at this stage (e.g. the grammys) but I far rather someone who's so passionate about what he does that he comes across as a bit of a jackass than some pleasant pile of boredom. It's not exactly like his work somehow depends on him being a likeable character either, a spectacular amount of great artists through history were thundering c*nts to the levels where he'd only be a blip on the c*ntometre.

.

Could you show me a c*ntometre?


Is it coz I is Irish, but I'd say the main reason I don't warm to him is because he obviously had a SOHotomy.

For most of his songs I remember the original samples long after I've forgotten his effort or auto tuned additions. A decent producer but there's far better rappers, and he has learned to take annoying to a whole new level, so I guess that's something.

Not a NSA agent

Alfonso Gifted Sender wrote: »

Kanye West has a Doctorate in fashion, designed shoes for Nike that sold out instantly, has won 21 Grammy, sold 21 million albums, was named TIME magazine's most influential person and is not only one of the greatest rappers since the turn of the millennium but of all time.
He came from the gang filled suburbs of Chicago and is respected by artists worldwide for both his great music and intelligence.

And yet he still acts like a 10 year old.

Do Me Good

wil wrote: »

SOHotomy

?

Do Me Good

Massimo Cassagrande wrote: »

Taught. MOG, it's fcuking taught. Though I wonder who cares. Kanye probably doesn't.

Ironic... because usually the type of people who'd be inclined to use MOG as an insult, wouldn't really care about spellings!!

Massimo Cassagrande

Do Me Good wrote: »

Ironic... because usually the type of people who'd be inclined to use MOG as an insult, wouldn't really care about spellings!!

There's a "type"?? Who knew?

MadYaker

The reason other celebrities indulge him is because he is a musical genius. You might not like him or his music but there is no denying it's quality or his talent. He's won 21 grammies and every album has received widespread critical acclaim. Musicians from every genre have praised him for his work, and even worked with him in some cases, Paul Mc Cartney, Lou Reed, Jack White, Noel Gallagher, Iggy Pop have all expressed their admiration for his work.

I don't think he's as much of an arse as he often seems, I enjoyed this interview.

entropi

He has always just seemed to be an adult sized baby, gets pissy at anything that doesn't go his way and has a reputation for being a bit OTT in that regard. He holds that musical respect from writing his own lyrics while sampling other people's songs. His genius comes from masterminding his wife's rise in popularity with the whole sex tape thing (famous for associating with famous, eh?).

I wonder if he's still angry about the whole gay fish episode...

The Golden Miller

I reckon him and Liam Gallagher should be put in a room together. Two arrogant clowns who don't like each other. Should be a good watch.

I wonder would he interupt an award speech of sid vicious if he still knocked about or someone of his ilk? He's an absolute coward

The_Valeyard

You are all haters!!!

Just picking on him cause he is a recovering gay fish that is married to a hobbit!!

Tragamin2k2

without sounding like a tinfoil hat salesman, kanye west and most famous figures are told what to do by a group of people, in order to bring in more money for him and everyone he's involved with. sort of "any publicity is good publicity". saying he's an idiot is exactly what they want you to say, and other respected famous people give him the time of day simply because CASH

NachoBusiness

Tragamin2k2 wrote: »

saying he's an idiot is exactly what they want you to say

Nonsense. It's far from an act.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4C3ijlWcHM

Sleepy

He's an obnoxious cunt. You simply do not cover a Queen song and then call yourself the greatest living rock star. The man doesn't have the musical chops to tune Brian May's guitar, never mind to insinuate he's in the same class as Freddie Mercury was.

He's one of those celebrities that make me despair of the modern world, up there with Jordan, Peter André, his wife's family as being famous for being to sucker money out of morons through manipulation of the press. The current population of the world is more educated than it's ever been at any other point in history and we decide to make these fuckwits rich? It's baffling and depressing in equal parts.

Robsweezie

Sleepy wrote:

He's an obnoxious ****. You simply do not cover a Queen song and then call yourself the greatest living rock star. The man doesn't have the musical chops to tune Brian May's guitar, never mind to insinuate he's in the same class as Freddie Mercury was.

Sleepy wrote:

He's one of those celebrities that make me despair of the modern world, up there with Jordan, Peter André, his wife's family as being famous for being to sucker money out of morons through manipulation of the press. The current population of the world is more educated than it's ever been at any other point in history and we decide to make these ****wits rich? It's baffling and depressing in equal parts.

How did you bypass the swear filter??!!