TriAthlone

bryangiggsy

I'd like it to go on bords tri record...that i think its a f***** disgrace that Tri Athlone get to charge €145 for the National Mid Distance Championships. A f***** disgrace. Rant over

BTH

bryangiggsy wrote: »

I'd like it to go on bords tri record...that i think its a f***** disgrace that Tri Athlone get to charge €145 for the National Mid Distance Championships. A f***** disgrace. Rant over

Must be about four weeks since your last rant. :rolleyes:

As an aside, I completely agree with you. At that price I reckon I'd be using tri an mhi as an early half next year instead, even though it's further away.

BTH

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057429727

Jesus, just over a month, were you starting to worry that it wasn't coming??

bryangiggsy

Haha

DEfinitely the most expensive sport in Ireland.

bryangiggsy

I wonder if TI accept Fifa style payments from the likes of Triathlone who get the national championships in moreyears than not

bryangiggsy

on course nutrition is 32gi which as far as i can see can be purchased nowhere in iReland

Fazz

For and against Triathlone:

For:
- Pedigree of hosting big events
- Generally well run and organised
- Appear to be trying to raise the bar - transition bags now like big races, Pros coming to race
- Location, atmosphere of run etc.
- Likely to be a great race
- A little PR but not much by them.
- Usually live tracking/results

Against:
- No prize money published and known to be very tight with this, TI were to set rules for this yrs ago but obv haven't.
- First yr race - again against TI rules for NS/NC but obv bypassed due to History/Relationship.
- V expensive
- no closed roads I don't believe
- Map of route is poor


Bryan - at least its still cheaper than IM and in fairness by a lot.
A good bit more than Tri an mhi and likely with a minimum prize fund by comparison is the main highlight imo.

Agreed with above though, you seem to complain about the little things which seems ironic having gone to new bike/wheels/coaches costs etc surely a race entry or few isn't that hard to swallow!

Bad swim today? :-)

Ceepo

As far as I can remember early bird was e110.00 standard entry e120.00 and late entry e140.00.

In fairness e110.00 while expensive is not over the top.

E260 for late relay entry now that's over the top imo.

RacoonQueen

Ceepo wrote: »

As far as I can remember early bird was e110.00 standard entry e120.00 and late entry e140.00.

In fairness e110.00 while expensive is not over the top.

E260 for late relay entry now that's over the top imo.

Staggered entry fees are bullsh*t though.

bryangiggsy

Fazz wrote: »

For and against Triathlone:

For:
- Pedigree of hosting big events
- Generally well run and organised
- Appear to be trying to raise the bar - transition bags now like big races, Pros coming to race
- Location, atmosphere of run etc.
- Likely to be a great race
- A little PR but not much by them.
- Usually live tracking/results

Against:
- No prize money published and known to be very tight with this, TI were to set rules for this yrs ago but obv haven't.
- First yr race - again against TI rules for NS/NC but obv bypassed due to History/Relationship.
- V expensive
- no closed roads I don't believe
- Map of route is poor


Bryan - at least its still cheaper than IM and in fairness by a lot.
A good bit more than Tri an mhi and likely with a minimum prize fund by comparison is the main highlight imo.

Agreed with above though, you seem to complain about the little things which seems ironic having gone to new bike/wheels/coaches costs etc surely a race entry or few isn't that hard to swallow!

Bad swim today? :-)

Lol Ian..no swim today. More like bad race Sat. Am not a fan of the transition bags to tell you the truth. They increase the chances of your stuff being lost. Can understand them alright in a split transition but are they totally necessary in a race were T1 & t2 are in the same place.
Re bike course they are saying it is technical leaving athlone. Will there be enough volunteers to man all the cross roads and send people in the right direction? Will the swim be in waves? Any idea how many have signed up?

sconhome

You can be sure some actuary somewhere devised the system of early bird and sliding scale entries. Enter early get cheap price but gamble with fitness / injury risk your money. Play safe on injury front stay late but pay more for the entry.

Would you rather lose €110 or pay €35 for being injury free?

bryangiggsy

AKW wrote: »

You can be sure some actuary somewhere devised the system of early bird and sliding scale entries. Enter early get cheap price but gamble with fitness / injury risk your money. Play safe on injury front stay late but pay more for the entry.

Would you rather lose €110 or pay €35 for being injury free?

Win win for the organisers. IM staffordshire at weekend over 2400 people registered but i read somewhere only 1700 started

sconhome

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Win win for the organisers. IM staffordshire at weekend over 2400 people registered but i read somewhere only 1700 started

That's a big fall back in numbers, almost 30% :eek:

Ceepo

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Staggered entry fees are bullsh*t though.

Don't disagree but that's the way race entry's have been going the last no of years in a lot of case's.

BTH

Ceepo wrote: »

Don't disagree but that's the way race entry's have been going the last no of years in a lot of case's.

Commercially run races only it seems. Athy, Athlone, Lough Cutra, IM Dublin, Challenge Galway will be the same.

bryangiggsy

BTH wrote: »

Commercially run races only it seems. Athy, Athlone, Lough Cutra, IM Dublin, Challenge Galway will be the same.

Going off topic is DCM a commercially run race now organised by a club?

tunney

BTH wrote: »

Commercially run races only it seems. Athy, Athlone, Lough Cutra, IM Dublin, Challenge Galway will be the same.

Of those races at least one is really going to struggle next year

Johnnio13

Fazz wrote: »

For and against Triathlone:

Against:
- No prize money published and known to be very tight with this, TI were to set rules for this yrs ago but obv haven't.
- First yr race - again against TI rules for NS/NC but obv bypassed due to History/Relationship.
)

Fazz, what do you mean 1st yr race? Do you mean as an national champ?

peter kern

bryangiggsy wrote: »

I'd like it to go on bords tri record...that i think its a f***** disgrace that Tri Athlone get to charge €145 for the National Mid Distance Championships. A f***** disgrace. Rant over

the main problem is you are a minority that worries about entry fees. and most people of this minoroy are people that race quite a bit and what is fine for 1 race becomes a burden for 10 races ( i would assume less than 3 % of triatheltes do more than 10 races a year)
but the one race a year guy wants the razzmatz it seems and are willing to pay for it.

dublin 265 euro 2000 plus people

tri an mhi ( a fantastic race) 89 euro 250 people.

the only way i see it to change it ,is that TI if they make a race super series or nat champs demand 100 or so places at a knock of price and then offer a scheme to people that do more than 10 triathlons a year at a 40 % discount. ( i have no idea what number and what discount would be right so those are just numbers.

peter kern

tunney wrote: »

Of those races at least one is really going to struggle next year

this is correct and as somebody wisely said in another thread there is quite a risk putting on races.

bryangiggsy

peter kern wrote: »

the main problem is you are a minority that worries about entry fees. and most people of this minoroy are people that race quite a bit and what is fine for 1 race becomes a burden for 10 races ( i would assume less than 3 % of triatheltes do more than 10 races a year)
but the one race a year guy wants the razzmatz it seems and are willing to pay for it.

dublin 265 euro 2000 plus people

tri an mhi ( a fantastic race) 89 euro 250 people.

the only way i see it to change it ,is that TI if they make a race super series or nat champs demand 100 or so places at a knock of price and then offer a scheme to people that do more than 10 triathlons a year at a 40 % discount. ( i have no idea what number and what discount would be right so those are just numbers.

Its a fair.. tough course and very well organised race but for the extra €39 (when compared to a €50 olympic) alls i got was a bottle of water on the 2nd lap of bike and some dunnes stores cola at km 19 of run...i know there were gels on run course as well but i had my own. Lets say nothing about the €5 head torch thats as useful as tits on a bull
I'll be back next year though

Fazz

Johnnio13 wrote: »

Fazz, what do you mean 1st yr race? Do you mean as an national champ?

No I mean this is the first time the race has ever been ran.

It's a new course, a new distance in the same starting/ending point as a previously established sprint/olympic race.

This is not the Shadowman ran last yr which is on a diff course.

The bike course is new and goes in the opposite direction/route to previous olympic/sprint races.

TI had stated previously that no race would get NC or even NS status unless it was at least 1-2 years old to prove standards.
Somewhat understandably, that rule has been bypassed as Triathlone have a solid record of putting on great races and are trying to raise the bar with pro interest it seems.

ShineyShiney

Proper transfer policies are what's missing from the bigger events, you should be able to transfer up to 2 weeks out. That would make an early bird price value again.

Costs are increasing, the days of a €30 sprint are over except in small club races Imo

Nenagh are trying to buck the trend, well done to them.

RacoonQueen

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Going off topic is DCM a commercially run race now organised by a club?

DCM is commercial

tunney

RacoonQueen wrote: »

DCM is commercial

Go on, walk into the trap

tunney

Fazz wrote: »

No I mean this is the first time the race has ever been ran.

It's a new course, a new distance in the same starting/ending point as a previously established sprint/olympic race.

This is not the Shadowman ran last yr which is on a diff course.

The bike course is new and goes in the opposite direction/route to previous olympic/sprint races.

TI had stated previously that no race would get NC or even NS status unless it was at least 1-2 years old to prove standards.
Somewhat understandably, that rule has been bypassed as Triathlone have a solid record of putting on great races and are trying to raise the bar with pro interest it seems.

This requirement is dropped quite a bit. *cough* cultra in year one

mossym

AKW wrote: »

That's a big fall back in numbers, almost 30% :eek:

worked registration at kilkee two years ago. speaking to the guys from the timing company, they said 30% is average for no shows, they are typically left with 30% of the timing chips remaining when everyone registered

tunney

Sure look at the Dublin 70.30 thread. Pretty much everyone that entered and posted on that thread has dropped out.

zico10

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Its a fair.. tough course and very well organised race but for the extra €39 (when compared to a €50 olympic) alls i got was a bottle of water on the 2nd lap of bike and some dunnes stores cola at km 19 of run...i know there were gels on run course as well but i had my own. Lets say nothing about the €5 head torch thats as useful as tits on a bull
I'll be back next year though

You also got to race a half ironman and not an Olympic, in fairness.

Regardless of how long it took you, Tri an Mhí had to ensure marshals were out on the route for 8 hours. Numerous people in the club gave up their free time to do this, not to mention all the other work that goes into organising a race. Any profits they made on the race must have been fairly minor.

Your gripes are pretty small.

tunney

zico10 wrote: »

You also got to race a half ironman and not an Olympic, in fairness.

Regardless of how long it took you, Tri an Mhí had to ensure marshals were out on the route for 8 hours. Numerous people in the club gave up their free time to do this, not to mention all the other work that goes into organising a race. Any profits they made on the race must have been fairly minor.

Your gripes are pretty small.

Its not his fault. They've been particularly heavy the last few months

bryangiggsy

zico10 wrote: »

Any profits they made on the race must have been fairly minor.

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This is were i disagree

260 entrants (with 30% no show rate) v 89 euro= €23,140 euro
Marshalls aren't paid.

catweazle

bryangiggsy wrote: »

zico10 wrote: »

Any profits they made on the race must have been fairly minor.

QUOTE]


This is were i disagree

260 entrants (with 30% no show rate) v 89 euro= €23,140 euro
Marshalls aren't paid.

That's not profit - that's turnover!

You will deffo have Ceepos spot as most argumentative poster at end of years awards!

You get very stressed about the small money, you have a coach, go on foreign training holidays to escape the bad weather, I assume a top end bike and equipment yet you complain about spending 89 euros for a well run 1/2 and what you get from it :eek:

RJM85

Tri an Mhi was good value at €89. Exceptionally well run race. Good water safety presence. Good marshalling (and done with a smile too). Great course. The baked potato and free erdinger went down well afterwards. And they appear to have a very generous prize structure for competitors. If they made a profit from the day I think it would be unfair to begrudge it.

If you think the entry is too much, don't pay it. Nobody is forcing you.

sconhome

bryangiggsy wrote: »

This is were i disagree

260 entrants (with 30% no show rate) v 89 euro= €23,140 euro
Marshalls aren't paid.

And the costs associated with the no shows?
The break-even point of the event? Often not met until year 3 or 4 in many cases?

Look at the race numbers dropping around the country and races being cancelled this year, can be pretty sure it is because with 100 or 150 entries it is not hitting breakeven for a club event. Profit has to be made and race organisers have a business to run.

It never ceases to bemuse me how people always complain about race entry costs and have a go at race organiser and their 'profits'. They run a business. They have staff. They have to make money. That is what business is about.

If you can't afford it or don't want to afford it, don't pay it. If it is a race you really really want to do then pay the fee and cut back somewhere else.

sconhome

catweazle wrote: »

You get very stressed about the small money...

Amazing the lengths people will go to to save a few bob

bryangiggsy

ahhhh..ooo...ouch

Since when are clubs a business AKW

It s a great race ..great people etc etc etc....but why the fook should any club be entitled to make a profit. this is my issue. Race entry should be encouraging people into triathlon not puttting people off it. My bike club charge €40 for a 16 race bike league which is chipped!!!

bryangiggsy

AKW wrote: »

Amazing the lengths people will go to to save a few bob

boards.ie= amazing lengths?

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

ahhhh..ooo...ouch

Since when are clubs a business AKW

It s a great race ..great people etc etc etc....but why the fook should any club be entitled to make a profit. this is my issue. Race entry should be encouraging people into triathlon not puttting people off it. My bike club charge €40 for a 16 race bike league which is chipped!!!

You want people to volunteer their time to have races run at cost so races are cheaper for you? With no reward for the volunteers.

Over the last four years what has been the average number of hours a year you volunteered for your club races?

Thought so.

bryangiggsy

tunney wrote: »

You want people to volunteer their time to have races run at cost so races are cheaper for you? With no reward for the volunteers.

Over the last four years what has been the average number of hours a year you volunteered for your club races?

Thought so.

Huh..i haven't missed volunteering at my clubs tri in the last 5 years???

zico10

bryangiggsy wrote: »

This is were i disagree

260 entrants (with 30% no show rate) v 89 euro= €23,140 euro
Marshalls aren't paid.

They still had to budget for 260, regardless of the no show rate.
I'm fully aware the marshals weren't paid, but they're club members who gave up 8 hours of their day, so this race could go ahead. It costs money to run a club. How on earth could you begrudge them any profit they made?

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Huh..i haven't missed volunteering at my clubs tri in the last 5 years???

Pulse right? €15 euro for an aquathon. 750m swim, 5km run. You telling me thats at cost. Nope its not, massive money spinner there.

Pot and kettle

bryangiggsy

zico10 wrote: »

They still had to budget for 260, regardless of the no show rate.
I'm fully aware the marshals weren't paid, but they're club members who gave up 8 hours of their day, so this race could go ahead. It costs money to run a club. How on earth could you begrudge them any profit they made?

Well this is were tri is all fooked up...go to kilkee...and transition will be a sea of colour...with the latest hoodies...tracksuits.cycle tops from clubs including my own. If your playing football you give your jersey back at the end of each game and your lucky if you get aclub tracksuit once every ten years....not sure about running clubs but i dont recall clubs decked out in the latest tracksuits.....its a farce.

sconhome

bryangiggsy wrote: »

ahhhh..ooo...ouch

Since when are clubs a business AKW

It s a great race ..great people etc etc etc....but why the fook should any club be entitled to make a profit. this is my issue. Race entry should be encouraging people into triathlon not puttting people off it. My bike club charge €40 for a 16 race bike league which is chipped!!!

Clubs are not a charity and even at that charities don't run loss making events.

Your issue is a club should not make any money from an event yet go to the hassle of organising it? Why would anyone in their right mind do that? Why should any club take a punt on organising an event in the hope that they get numbers on the day to make it worthwhile?

I agree with you that there should be something to encourage people into triathlon but at the same time the people complaining about events prices costs are not those that are new to triathlon.

RJM85

bryangiggsy wrote: »

ahhhh..ooo...ouch

Since when are clubs a business AKW

It s a great race ..great people etc etc etc....but why the fook should any club be entitled to make a profit. this is my issue. Race entry should be encouraging people into triathlon not puttting people off it. My bike club charge €40 for a 16 race bike league which is chipped!!!

That league used to be €20. They doubled the entry fee for pretty much no added benefit. You also had to pay an additional €70(?) to CI specifically to race the league. Also, it's a club league - which are traditionally run by the members for the members. Completely different.

sconhome

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Well this is were tri is all fooked up...go to kilkee...and transition will be a sea of colour...with the latest hoodies...tracksuits.cycle tops from clubs including my own. If your playing football you give your jersey back at the end of each game and your lucky if you get aclub tracksuit once every ten years....not sure about running clubs but i dont recall clubs decked out in the latest tracksuits.....its a farce.

Jaysus you're in right form! :rolleyes:

So what you are saying is triathletes don't mind shelling out for gear? Last time I checked you buy club gear it's not handed out. And when I was playing football the headache of organising agreement for samples, sizing, design and getting money off lads who all wanted a tracksuit but not pay for it would put you off for life!

ShineyShiney

Do you really think €89 is too much to pay for a half? Or are you just defending your rant?

Seems like a good race at a fair price to me.

bryangiggsy

AKW wrote: »

Jaysus you're in right form! :rolleyes:

So what you are saying is triathletes don't mind shelling out for gear? Last time I checked you buy club gear it's not handed out. And when I was playing football the headache of organising agreement for samples, sizing, design and getting money off lads who all wanted a tracksuit but not pay for it would put you off for life!

Flying

€65 for HOTW olympic....dont get me started

Am going to get my snickers. U can all calm down now.

sconhome

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Flying

€65 for HOTW olympic....dont get me started

Unique in terms of the level of support and sponsorship IMO. Reputation, supply and demand could mean the club could charge 80/90/100 and still get a full field each year.

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Am going to get my snickers. U can all calm down now.

Either that or your own sub forum for ranting in

ShineyShiney

Yet rumours would have you believe that HOTW lost money last year😲

Cant remember where I heard that or if there is any truth in it.

bryangiggsy

AKW wrote: »

Unique in terms of the level of support and sponsorship IMO. Reputation, supply and demand could mean the club could charge 80/90/100 and still get a full field each year.



Either that or your own sub forum for ranting in

Does the tri mentality sense of achievement from completing a tri. 'I am an ironman ' is it any way responsible for these prices ?

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Flying

€65 for HOTW olympic....dont get me started

Am going to get my snickers. U can all calm down now.

If the cost of HOTW was all in 40-50 euro, why shouldn't Limerick take the extra money and reinvest it in their club? Improve the training and facilities of their members. To do otherwise would be ridiculous. Your own club does it, why should other clubs.

Running a club costs money - the money either comes directly from members or from monetising an asset that they have - which is the time and experience of their members to put on a first class race.

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Does the tri mentality sense of achievement from completing a tri. 'I am an ironman ' is it any way responsible for these prices ?

For the >100 halfs, yes it is.