excessive fertilizer side effects

CHOPS01

Old man put out fertilizer the other day.Long story but by my reckoning he put out 15 bags of cut sward on just under 5 acres. It was grazed ground closed about 2 weeks ago.
Will it need to be left longer than normal before cutting
Thanks

frazzledhome

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Old man put out fertilizer the other day.Long story but by my reckoning he put out 15 bags of cut sward on just under 5 acres. It was grazed ground closed about 2 weeks ago.
Will it need to be left longer than normal before cutting
Thanks

For silage not excessive. 81 units of N with good growth 40 days. Mow and wilt, you'll have a bumper crop. Nothing at all to be concerned with.

We put 46 units out for grazing on whole farm yesterday. Growth going to be exceptional make the most of it

The Cuban

3 bags to the acre can be done but why would you at the current cost of fertilizer that's very expensive.
The difference between putting out 3 bags to only putting out 1and a half bags to the acre is only a weeks extra wait for the meadow to grow

CHOPS01

frazzledhome wrote: »

For silage not excessive. 81 units of N with good growth 40 days. Mow and wilt, you'll have a bumper crop. Nothing at all to be concerned with.

We put 46 units out for grazing on whole farm yesterday. Growth going to be exceptional make the most of it

Sorry make that 17 bags !
We had discussed it the evening before and agreed on 12 bags. Thanks just panicked a bit.

CHOPS01

The Cuban wrote: »

3 bags to the acre can be done but why would you at the current cost of fertilizer that's very expensive.
The difference between putting out 3 bags to only putting out 1and a half bags to the acre is only a weeks extra wait for the meadow to grow

Oh shur I know but as I mentioned long story !

frazzledhome

The Cuban wrote: »

3 bags to the acre can be done but why would you at the current cost of fertilizer that's very expensive.
The difference between putting out 3 bags to only putting out 1and a half bags to the acre is only a weeks extra wait for the meadow to grow

Yes but it's also only half the tonnes of dm off the meadow

Also plant runs out of steam earlier gets stressed and says to itself "time to go to seed" resulting in a lighter crop of inferior silage. It's too expensive a feed to mess around with.

Plants are programmed to seed and the more energy you can supply the further along you can push that event. When a crop in heavy at say 2000 kgdm it can add 150-180 kg dm per day per ha. In a week that's 1.2 tonne. To buy that in ration form will cost aprox €240-250. His total cost of fert was €100

frazzledhome

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Sorry make that 17 bags !
We had discussed it the evening before and agreed on 12 bags. Thanks just panicked a bit.

Nothing to worry about. Horse out the N p&k

smokey-fitz

The Cuban wrote: »

3 bags to the acre can be done but why would you at the current cost of fertilizer that's very expensive.
The difference between putting out 3 bags to only putting out 1and a half bags to the acre is only a weeks extra wait for the meadow to grow

Its great to save to couple of euro but by doing that you are taking too much out of the soil and not putting back in. You make a habit of that and your soil index will drop pretty fast. Year after year the ground will get less productive.

dodo mommy

frazzledhome wrote:

We put 46 units out for grazing on whole farm yesterday. Growth going to be exceptional make the most of it

Are u a dairy man?

mahoney_j

dodo mommy wrote: »

Are u a dairy man?

Think he runs an extensive beef and sheep farm.....

Mad4simmental

mahoney_j wrote: »

Think he runs an extensive beef and sheep farm.....

He has allot of sim sucklers. You need to horse it out for them, their hungry.

Greengrass1

Mad4simmental wrote: »

He has allot of sim sucklers. You need to horse it out for them, their hungry.

I thought it was a sanctuary for jex bull calves he had?

mayota

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I thought it was a sanctuary for jex bull calves he had?

Post of the week

onyerbikepat

frazzledhome wrote: »

... Also plant runs out of steam earlier gets stressed and says to itself "time to go to seed" resulting in a lighter crop of inferior silage. It's too expensive a feed to mess around with.

Plants are programmed to seed and the more energy you can supply the further along you can push that event. ....

Interesting, so that's how you stop grass heading out, feed it well.

keep going

Onlyside effect I see is some other ground will probably get less on account of it

eorna

For few years i tried cutting meadow without going mad on fertiliser.. Results were normally a very light crop and a long wait.. Ended up short and having to buy bales...(bit like lottery.. Some good some bad!)
One year i decided to throw the proper 80-100 units of nitrogen.. Results are heavy crop and quicker harvesting..
Depends really how much winter feeding you need and how much ground you have to spare but in my case is no brainer 80-100 units of units of nitrogen, good crop, Yes expensive but no faffing about..

frazzledhome

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Interesting, so that's how you stop grass heading out, feed it well.

Very same as keeping trout in a river, feed well never leave. Like teenagers really

Dawggone

onyerbikepat wrote: »

Interesting, so that's how you stop grass heading out, feed it well.

It's natures way. Any plant that is stressed, nourishment, moisture etc will fast forward reproduction.

frazzledhome

dodo mommy wrote: »

Are u a dairy man?

What would make you ask?

Charliebull

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yes but it's also only half the tonnes of dm off the meadow

Also plant runs out of steam earlier gets stressed and says to itself "time to go to seed" resulting in a lighter crop of inferior silage. It's too expensive a feed to mess around with.

Plants are programmed to seed and the more energy you can supply the further along you can push that event. When a crop in heavy at say 2000 kgdm it can add 150-180 kg dm per day per ha. In a week that's 1.2 tonne. To buy that in ration form will cost aprox €240-250. His total cost of fert was €100

frazzledhome wrote: »

Very same as keeping trout in a river, feed well never leave. Like teenagers really

i must go for a pint with you some time, a man would learn an awful lot
and if you brought them hookers you mentioned in a previous thread, i might even buy you a pint

Bullocks

Charliebull wrote: »

i must go for a pint with you some time, a man would learn an awful lot
and if you brought them hookers you mentioned in a previous thread, i might even buy you a pint

I wouldn't think you need much advice off Frazzledhome on pints or hookers but I suppose everyday is a school day no matter how much experience you have ☺

frazzledhome

Charliebull wrote: »

i must go for a pint with you some time, a man would learn an awful lot
and if you brought them hookers you mentioned in a previous thread, i might even buy you a pint

You pay for the hookers I'll buy the pints

Charliebull

Bullocks wrote: »

I wouldn't think you need much advice off Frazzledhome on pints or hookers but I suppose everyday is a school day no matter how much experience you have ☺

well i thought that pensioners just sat down and never danced until i seen one fire you around Taaffes like a rag doll,

frazzledhome wrote: »

You pay for the hookers I'll buy the pints

would you like them before or after the pints,

Bullocks

Charliebull wrote: »

well i thought that pensioners just sat down and never danced until i seen one fire you around Taaffes like a rag doll,



would you like them before or after the pints,

Hard to beat the older women for knowing the moves , the odd one is handy for farming aswell

kevthegaff

Is there an excessive amount of fertilliser one can put out exc nitrates, say a guy was spreading too much after each rotation would it be to the detriment of the soil/grass?

kevthegaff

Is there an excessive amount of fertilliser one can put out exc nitrates, say a guy was spreading too much after each rotation would it be to the detriment of the soil/grass?

Milked out

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is there an excessive amount of fertilliser one can put out exc nitrates, say a guy was spreading too much after each rotation would it be to the detriment of the soil/grass?

It would keep the protein in the grass too high with the cow ending up using more energy to get rid of it and possibly cause embryonic losses according to some. I assume the issue would more run off to waterways than anything else if n levels were constantly high in the soil

frazzledhome

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is there an excessive amount of fertilliser one can put out exc nitrates, say a guy was spreading too much after each rotation would it be to the detriment of the soil/grass?

Current ac

CHOPS01

CHOPS01 wrote: »

Old man put out fertilizer the other day.Long story but by my reckoning he put out 15 bags of cut sward on just under 5 acres. It was grazed ground closed about 2 weeks ago.
Will it need to be left longer than normal before cutting
Thanks

Could badly do with the weather sorting itself out now. Walked through it last night and it's gone savage heavy. Starting to lodge in spots. Fertiliser is out 7 weeks tomorrow