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Difficult Tenant

  • 05-06-2015 9:49am
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭


    Tenant moved into my property on 1st June 2013.
    Rent was agreed at €925 per month and approx €760 of this was paid by Rent Allowance which he received directly.
    He kept missing his payments and from November he arranged for the rent allowance payments to come to me directly but in his first year at the property he had gone into arrears of over €5,000.
    I made sure that he did not go into any further arrears by sending warning letters which meant he kept on top of his payments for the next six months.
    I then increased the rent from the 1st of January this year to €975 per month and he agreed to pay it and to add something towards the arrears.
    When we met to sign the new agreement he told me that there was severe damp in the upstairs bedrooms and he gave me two quotes to replace the roof.
    I said I would arrange to fix it up but my repair man kept making excuses which led to my tenant missing a further two months of his share of the rent.
    He said he could get someone to fix it up for €400 so I said I would write off his two months missed rental payments if he arranged to fix it up.

    In April I received a call from one of his neighbours to say that my tenant now has three dogs and one had escaped and attacked her.
    I arranged to meet my tenant at the house and I was happy that the dogs weren't dangerous. I brought it to my tenants attention that his lease states that he should have written permission to have a dog at the house and I stressed that three dogs were too many. He claimed that if he returned the dogs they would be put down so I agreed he could keep the dogs provided that he could guarantee that they could not get out, that he make an effort to rehouse one of them as soon as possible and that he would not take any more dogs in.
    I relayed this agreement to the neighbour who wasn't at all happy and who abused me by saying I was only interested in getting my rent.

    I got another text from the same neighbour on Thursday saying that my tenant now has four dogs and one is escaping. I sent a text to my tenant who confirmed he now has four dogs but the latest one is old and hasn't got long to live and it is only one of the four dogs that can get out. He had also gone four weeks behind in his payments and said that he has no problem paying the rent but that myself and the neighbours need to give him space about the dogs.

    I sent a text to him this morning to remind him that he is now five weeks behind in his payments.

    I have also arranged to talk to another, more reasonable, neighbour about him today.

    My plan now is to send him a warning letter ordering that my five weeks rent be paid, the newest dog removed, the escaping dog removed if he cannot be contained and the upstairs bedrooms repaired all within fourteen days. If he does not comply with these demands I will ask him to vacate.

    Any further suggestions?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭doctorchopper


    You really need to harden up, over 5000 in arrears. You are running a business not a charity. Not only are you not getting paid but most likely your house is going to get destroyed by 4 dogs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Taboola


    I'd get legal advice about issuing him with an eviction notice. He's messing you about.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    I was going to follow the eviction process through the PRTB. Should I give the PRTB a call about the situation?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 dialer


    I agree with Taboola.
    Seek legal advice immediately with the view of termination of tenancy.

    This is ground-hog day all over.

    Your neighbours must love you for having a tenant with 4 dogs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    You really need to harden up, over 5000 in arrears. You are running a business not a charity. Not only are you not getting paid but most likely your house is going to get destroyed by 4 dogs.

    I read it as at least 6.5k at this point if not more. He was 5k in arrears last year. So hes not 5 weeks behind, he is 6 months and counting.

    And he is a RA tenant. One that is bad with money. One that withholds rent for "reasons" that he has decided on. And who now has dogs while renting. That he is unable to control.

    Send him notice of arrears and evict him. This is not going to get better, ever. Be prepared for months of non-payment. Do it now, not later. A person on social welfare, with four dogs, bad money skills and rent well over the limit for a single person in Dublin(520 per month versus 975) is only going to increase his debt to you. Debt you will not be able to recover. At this point, what he owes you, you will never see. He does not have the means to pay you back. He does not have any incentive to pay you back.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Send him a 14 day notice of arrears (ALL arrears!), followed by a 28 day notice of eviction.

    Then be prepared for him to stay there for a year or more while you fight in court to have him removed.

    You've let it go way too far.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 76 ✭✭Puddle Q


    omnithanos wrote: »
    Tenant moved into my property on 1st June 2013.
    Rent was agreed at €925 per month and approx €760 of this was paid by Rent Allowance which he received directly.
    He kept missing his payments and from November he arranged for the rent allowance payments to come to me directly but in his first year at the property he had gone into arrears of over €5,000.
    I made sure that he did not go into any further arrears by sending warning letters which meant he kept on top of his payments for the next six months.
    I then increased the rent from the 1st of January this year to €975 per month and he agreed to pay it and to add something towards the arrears.
    When we met to sign the new agreement he told me that there was severe damp in the upstairs bedrooms and he gave me two quotes to replace the roof.
    I said I would arrange to fix it up but my repair man kept making excuses which led to my tenant missing a further two months of his share of the rent.
    He said he could get someone to fix it up for €400 so I said I would write off his two months missed rental payments if he arranged to fix it up.

    In April I received a call from one of his neighbours to say that my tenant now has three dogs and one had escaped and attacked her.
    I arranged to meet my tenant at the house and I was happy that the dogs weren't dangerous. I brought it to my tenants attention that his lease states that he should have written permission to have a dog at the house and I stressed that three dogs were too many. He claimed that if he returned the dogs they would be put down so I agreed he could keep the dogs provided that he could guarantee that they could not get out, that he make an effort to rehouse one of them as soon as possible and that he would not take any more dogs in.
    I relayed this agreement to the neighbour who wasn't at all happy and who abused me by saying I was only interested in getting my rent.

    I got another text from the same neighbour on Thursday saying that my tenant now has four dogs and one is escaping. I sent a text to my tenant who confirmed he now has four dogs but the latest one is old and hasn't got long to live and it is only one of the four dogs that can get out. He had also gone four weeks behind in his payments and said that he has no problem paying the rent but that myself and the neighbours need to give him space about the dogs.

    I sent a text to him this morning to remind him that he is now five weeks behind in his payments.

    I have also arranged to talk to another, more reasonable, neighbour about him today.

    My plan now is to send him a warning letter ordering that my five weeks rent be paid, the newest dog removed, the escaping dog removed if he cannot be contained and the upstairs bedrooms repaired all within fourteen days. If he does not comply with these demands I will ask him to vacate.

    Any further suggestions?

    Yeah. Get out of the landlord business. It's not for you.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    Send him a 14 day notice of arrears (ALL arrears!), followed by a 28 day notice of eviction.

    Then be prepared for him to stay there for a year or more while you fight in court to have him removed.

    You've let it go way too far.

    A year seems an unduly prolonged period. Would I still receive the rent allowance payments while following this process or would they cut me off too?

    Is there no mechanism for removing the dogs? Could I have him removed quicker because of the urgent works needed to the house?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    omnithanos wrote: »
    A year seems an unduly prolonged period. Would I still receive the rent allowance payments while following this process or would they cut me off too?

    Is there no mechanism for removing the dogs? Could I have him removed quicker because of the urgent works needed to the house?

    You need to research this so that every step is done 100% correctly but here is a rough example

    14 days notice of arrears
    28 days notice of eviction due to arrears and breach of lease
    PRTB case lodged and judgment received, up to 6 months
    District court case lodged and eviction order granted, up to 6 months.
    Sheriff eviction with order, up to 1 month.
    Repairs/cleaning(assume 1 week at least).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    You need to research this so that every step is done 100% correctly but here is a rough example

    14 days notice of arrears
    28 days notice of eviction due to arrears and breach of lease
    PRTB case lodged and judgment received, up to 6 months
    District court case lodged and eviction order granted, up to 6 months.
    Sheriff eviction with order, up to 1 month.
    Repairs/cleaning(assume 1 week at least).

    Thanks Cuddlesworth.
    Will Irish Water still expect me to pay his water bill?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭hdowney


    His water bill is his issue not yours. You are not consuming the water why should you pay for it. I presume Irish water have been notified that there is a tenant in the property by yourself.

    Did he pay you a deposit? I fear you may need it for damages etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    You've been far too soft and he's been taking serious advantage. He owes you a four figure sum which you seem to have written off!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Greenmachine


    Your tenant is taking the proverbial. You definitely need to harden up. One missed payment is a warning, and an immediate insistence on a repayment plan. Miss another payment, start the eviction process. Contact PTRB for advice. The dogs is beyond belief.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    hdowney wrote: »
    His water bill is his issue not yours. You are not consuming the water why should you pay for it. I presume Irish water have been notified that there is a tenant in the property by yourself.

    Did he pay you a deposit? I fear you may need it for damages etc.

    Yep I notified Irish Water though I haven't paid them yet myself.
    He gave a deposit when he moved in but that was deducted from his arrears when we made up the second agreement so Irish water can't get anything there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,387 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    One thing is for sure, keeping him as a tenant will only bring further arrears so nothing to lose in terminating.

    Another example of why landlords won't easily accept RAS tenants


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭Arbiter of Good Taste


    Your neighbour is fully entitled to be angry at you. You are taking the word of a liar and bad debtor with regards to the viciousness of 4(!!!) dogs, over your neighbour. That is frankly unacceptable.

    I have one dog, and it is bloody expensive to maintain. If your tenant can afford four dogs, he can afford to pay his rent on time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    omnithanos wrote: »
    He kept missing his payments and from November he arranged for the rent allowance payments to come to me directly but in his first year at the property he had gone into arrears of over €5,000.
    Evict him
    omnithanos wrote: »
    When we met to sign the new agreement he told me that there was severe damp in the upstairs bedrooms and he gave me two quotes to replace the roof.
    If it was the roof, it'd be a lot more than severe damp!
    omnithanos wrote: »
    He claimed that if he returned the dogs they would be put down so I agreed he could keep the dogs provided that he could guarantee that they could not get out, that he make an effort to rehouse one of them as soon as possible and that he would not take any more dogs in.
    Emotional blackmail, probably because by now he sees you as a soft touch.
    omnithanos wrote: »
    Any further suggestions?
    Get rid of the tenant, and use an EA that will deal with this crap in future, as you don't seem to have the heart to say "no".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,105 ✭✭✭SteM


    omnithanos wrote: »
    ...I have also arranged to talk to another, more reasonable, neighbour about him today.

    By saying this you're inferring that the first neighbour who contacted you was being unreasonable even though she is the one that has to live beside this fool, she is the one that was attacked by the dog. Just because you think the 3 dogs aren't dangerous doesn’t mean she wasn't attacked by one of them.

    If the 'more reasonable' neighbour doesn’t complain about the tenant then are you just going to ignore the complaint from the first tenant? Even though she's factually correct that your tenant has 4 dogs that you wouldn't have been aware of without her telling you?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    Your neighbour is fully entitled to be angry at you. You are taking the word of a liar and bad debtor with regards to the viciousness of 4(!!!) dogs, over your neighbour. That is frankly unacceptable.

    I went to see the three dogs when they were reported to me and I could see first hand that they were over friendly but not vicious. I said to the neighbour I would call over every week to make sure there wasn't a problem with the dogs but I was told I was only interested in getting my rent.
    When the dogs were first reported to me I was told the largest was the size of a small horse whereas in reality it didn't come higher than the arm of a sofa so the honesty of the neighbour was therefore in question which is why I did not act more forceably at the time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 76 ✭✭Puddle Q


    omnithanos wrote: »
    I went to see the three dogs when they were reported to me and I could see first hand that they were over friendly but not vicious. I said to the neighbour I would call over every week to make sure there wasn't a problem with the dogs but I was told I was only interested in getting my rent.
    When the dogs were first reported to me I was told the largest was the size of a small horse whereas in reality it didn't come higher than the arm of a sofa so the honesty of the neighbour was therefore in question which is why I did not act more forceably at the time.

    You could find yourself in big trouble of anyone is attacked by these dogs considering you have been warned already.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    SteM wrote: »
    By saying this you're inferring that the first neighbour who contacted you was being unreasonable even though she is the one that has to live beside this fool, she is the one that was attacked by the dog. Just because you think the 3 dogs aren't dangerous doesn’t mean she wasn't attacked by one of them.

    If the 'more reasonable' neighbour doesn’t complain about the tenant then are you just going to ignore the complaint from the first tenant? Even though she's factually correct that your tenant has 4 dogs that you wouldn't have been aware of without her telling you?

    She doesn't live beside him she lives at the other end of the street.
    She grossly exaggerated the size and temperment of the dog which she claims attacked her.
    She sent me multiple abusive texts
    I asked four other independent residents about the dogs and they all said they didn't have a problem with them.

    Hence my conclusion that she was less than reasonable.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    Puddle Q wrote: »
    You could find yourself in big trouble of anyone is attacked by these dogs considering you have been warned already.

    And based on that warning I told the tenant that the dogs could only be kept if he could assure me that they could not get out again. I also asked him to rehome one of the three as soon as he could as I considered three too many and I impressed on him that he should definitely not get any more dogs.

    I don't think I have acted unreasonably.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,875 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    With all due respect OP, it sounds like this lad could assure you that black was white.

    Out on his ear with him. Begin the process today, cover yourself for all aspects. Plenty of fair minded tenants who would reciprocate your fair minded attitude.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    With all due respect OP, it sounds like this lad could assure you that black was white.

    Out on his ear with him. Begin the process today, cover yourself for all aspects. Plenty of fair minded tenants who would reciprocate your fair minded attitude.

    I take everyone at their word whether I actually believe them or not.
    I hope so. The letter will be delivered on Monday.
    Prtb say I need to first bring his arrears to his attention in writing but I assume that this is covered by the multiple letters I have sent in the past and the fact that the arrears is mentioned in our second rental agreement which he signed in December.
    Stage two is a 14 day demand. Stage three is the 28 day notice of eviction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,105 ✭✭✭SteM


    omnithanos wrote: »
    She doesn't live beside him she lives at the other end of the street.
    She grossly exaggerated the size and temperment of the dog which she claims attacked her.
    She sent me multiple abusive texts
    I asked four other independent residents about the dogs and they all said they didn't have a problem with them.

    Hence my conclusion that she was less than reasonable.

    Oddly you never said any of that in your original post.

    You say the abuse was that you just want your rent, well I can see exact where is coming from. From her point of view she complained that she had been attacked. Then she finds out that not only did you not tell your tenant to get rid of the dog that attacked her, he's now gotten an extra one and as far as she can see you're doing nothing about it.

    Also, just because 4 neighbours haven't been attacked or don't have a problem with the dogs does not mean she was lying.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    SteM wrote: »
    Oddly you never said any of that in your original post.

    You say the abuse was that you just want your rent, well I can see exact where is coming from. From her point of view she complained that she had been attacked. Then she finds out that not only did you not tell your tenant to get rid of the dog that attacked her, he's now gotten an extra one and as far as she can see you're doing nothing about it.

    Also, just because 4 neighbours haven't been attacked or don't have a problem with the dogs does not mean she was lying.

    She appeared to be lying about both the size and temperment of the dog.
    She has a fear of dogs so I suspect her idea of being attacked was to have the dog run past.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    OP you are legally responsible for any damage caused by the dogs and can be sued for damages if they bite someone!

    Your neighbours could also take a case against you through the PRTB over the nuiscance caused by the dogs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    OP you are legally responsible for any damage caused by the dogs and can be sued for damages if they bite someone!

    Your neighbours could also take a case against you through the PRTB over the nuiscance caused by the dogs

    How can a landlord be responsible for the actions of a dog that belongs to a tenant ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 76 ✭✭Puddle Q


    omnithanos wrote: »
    And based on that warning I told the tenant that the dogs could only be kept if he could assure me that they could not get out again. I also asked him to rehome one of the three as soon as he could as I considered three too many and I impressed on him that he should definitely not get any more dogs.

    I don't think I have acted unreasonably.

    And your are trusting him because.......?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 411 ✭✭blackbird 49


    I can't understand when in receipt of rent supplement, why is it not paid directly into landlords account.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    Puddle Q wrote: »
    And your are trusting him because.......?

    I don't trust him at all....


    but I generally give people the benefit of the doubt.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    OP you are legally responsible for any damage caused by the dogs and can be sued for damages if they bite someone!

    Your neighbours could also take a case against you through the PRTB over the nuiscance caused by the dogs

    Once I deliver him the letter on Modnay ordering him to remove the newest dog aa well as any dog that can get out I surely wouldn't have any case to answer to the prtb.
    I was also unaware that the dogs were causing any nusience until I recieved a text on tuesday and got in contact with the more resonable neighbour today.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    I can't understand when in receipt of rent supplement, why is it not paid directly into landlords account.

    Apparently it is only paid directly after the tenant arranges it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    the_syco wrote: »


    Get rid of the tenant, and use an EA that will deal with this crap in future, as you don't seem to have the heart to say "no".

    I wouldn't trust an Estate Agent, from my experience they appear to be neither trustworthy nor competent.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    OP you are legally responsible for any damage caused by the dogs and can be sued for damages if they bite someone!

    Your neighbours could also take a case against you through the PRTB over the nuiscance caused by the dogs

    The tone of the texts I received from said neighbour are as follows:

    Are you for real?
    Let's get this clear the big black dog goes!!!!
    of course your happy receiving an income every month while the residents have to live in terror.
    u don't care as long as u get ur rent.

    When I got the text informing me about the fourth dog on Tuesday I replied.
    Thanks for the update. I'm dealing with it.

    To which I received the reply:
    So u are actually dealing with it this time...what exactly are u doing??????

    To which I replied today:
    I'll be issuing his first demand on Monday which will be followed up by a 28 day notice of eviction if he doesn't comply. The eviction process could take up to a year to get him out but I will tell him that if he leaves voluntarily I won't pursue him for arrears.

    Based on this exchange I don't see how I could be perceived as being legally responsible for any damage caused by the dogs or sued for damages if they bite someone.

    If you want a real laugh I could document the texts between myself and the Tenant on Tuesday evening.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭Chemical Byrne


    OP what has happened here is simple. You gave an inch, he took a mile!

    It'll be very hard to roll back on this as you've set a terrible precedent of leniency.

    I might take some flak for saying this but accepting a RA tenant was your first mistake.

    Personally if it were me, I'd be of the opinion that as having the dogs was against the terms of the lease he should be given the options of either :
    A. getting rid of the dogs (rehome, put down, who cares. It's his problem, not yours) or
    B. termination of the tenancy on grounds of breaching the condition of his lease.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78 ✭✭Tommo 76


    omnithanos wrote: »
    I wouldn't trust an Estate Agent, from my experience they appear to be neither trustworthy nor competent.


    No offence but you are saying Estate Agents are not competent?

    Seriously, you need to do up an EXACT figure of arrears, not just about this or that much, an exact figure, and make him aware of it (registered letter) so that you can say you made him aware of arrears, otherwise it could come across as a gentlemans agreement, oh sure I got a fella to fix the damp in the room, it was 3 grand to do it hence my rental reduction (you say no we agreed 400 euro, judge says - wheres the proof??, no evidence for you, your word vs his).

    You actually seem very genuine, too genuine, which is good to see but means you are getting totally shafted. This person knows that, its not a case he hasnt the money as when you pressure him to pay he does, but he knows he gets away with it. You would get someone in to deal with this, be it a friend or family member that he doesnt know, because he knows you are a soft touch, so get them to explain they are now managing it, and pull him up on everything that's out of line. I really don't understand why you are letting him away with this at all?

    You warn him about not having dogs without getting written permission, then he gets 3 dogs, and a little while later he has a fourth after you warn him what the neighbour said and no more allowed, he is taking the p!ss totally out of you, making you look very silly, yet you roll over and allow it. Another thing I would say, it is important to get your neighbours on side, they didn't sign up for this.

    Step back, and take a long look at this situation, you are out of pocket over 6000, six thousand euros, six thousand!!! Its not a case he is short 10 euro or 20 euro, but he is basically over the period of 3 years, down over 6 months rent @ 975 a month. Thats a sixth of your income. Apologies if this seems a harsh reply but you need to get rid of this tennant.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    Tommo 76 wrote: »
    No offence but you are saying Estate Agents are not competent?

    Seriously, you need to do up an EXACT figure of arrears, not just about this or that much, an exact figure, and make him aware of it (registered letter) so that you can say you made him aware of arrears, otherwise it could come across as a gentlemans agreement, oh sure I got a fella to fix the damp in the room, it was 3 grand to do it hence my rental reduction (you say no we agreed 400 euro, judge says - wheres the proof??, no evidence for you, your word vs his).

    You actually seem very genuine, too genuine, which is good to see but means you are getting totally shafted. This person knows that, its not a case he hasnt the money as when you pressure him to pay he does, but he knows he gets away with it. You would get someone in to deal with this, be it a friend or family member that he doesnt know, because he knows you are a soft touch, so get them to explain they are now managing it, and pull him up on everything that's out of line. I really don't understand why you are letting him away with this at all?

    You warn him about not having dogs without getting written permission, then he gets 3 dogs, and a little while later he has a fourth after you warn him what the neighbour said and no more allowed, he is taking the p!ss totally out of you, making you look very silly, yet you roll over and allow it. Another thing I would say, it is important to get your neighbours on side, they didn't sign up for this.

    Step back, and take a long look at this situation, you are out of pocket over 6000, six thousand euros, six thousand!!! Its not a case he is short 10 euro or 20 euro, but he is basically over the period of 3 years, down over 6 months rent @ 975 a month. Thats a sixth of your income. Apologies if this seems a harsh reply but you need to get rid of this tennant.

    I had put the exact figure for arrears into our second agreement. I'll have to calculate an updated figure. I have the agreement figure for the ceiling repair stored in a text and I'll be starting the process to evict on Monday.

    And yeah I say EA's are dodgy, don't follow regulations, don't keep records and don't even take note of meter readings. They've even changed the locks on me before. Seems to be one rule for Receivers and another for Landlords.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭DeltaWhite


    Am I the only one annoyed that this chap is getting RA but yet can afford FOUR dogs??? My tiny little dog costs enough for me and I have a job!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    He paid in €55 today woo hoo!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    DeltaWhite wrote: »
    Am I the only one annoyed that this chap is getting RA but yet can afford FOUR dogs??? My tiny little dog costs enough for me and I have a job!

    Well he's barely paying his rent so there's a saving.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 76 ✭✭Puddle Q


    omnithanos wrote: »
    He paid in €55 today woo hoo!

    Well done. Only another €5945 to go


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    I think you and others are getting hung up on the dogs and their behaviour/temperament.

    You tenant, who owes you a substantial sum of money, increased his outgoings. This is no different than him buying a new car or TV or going on holidays. He prioritised himself and his lifestyle over his financial obligations to you.

    He also breached his lease. He also placed himself into a position where 95% of the housing market won't take him, ignoring the RA.

    Good luck with the eviction and I hope you can learn a lesson from this in future.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 710 ✭✭✭omnithanos


    I think you and others are getting hung up on the dogs and their behaviour/temperament.

    You tenant, who owes you a substantial sum of money, increased his outgoings. This is no different than him buying a new car or TV or going on holidays. He prioritised himself and his lifestyle over his financial obligations to you.

    He also breached his lease. He also placed himself into a position where 95% of the housing market won't take him, ignoring the RA.

    Good luck with the eviction and I hope you can learn a lesson from this in future.

    Don't trust anyone and if someone leaves you a cent short kick up an incredible fuss from the start.
    I'm using your line about he prioritising himself over his financial obligations to me in my letter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,012 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    omnithanos wrote: »
    Don't trust anyone and if someone leaves you a cent short kick up an incredible fuss from the start.
    I'm using your line about he prioritising himself over his financial obligations to me in my letter.

    Get advice from a solicitor. Do not send a letter stating the above. I have unfortunately heard first hand of PRTB judgements that go the wrong way because the landlord failed to follow the process to the ninth degree. Then they start the process all over again.

    You will be evicting him for breaching his lease(dogs) and being in arrears. Thats it. Don't add anything else to the fire. Don't insult his money management skills or decisions in a letter. Don't make it personal, you're a business and he is not paying you for a service. Period.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,072 ✭✭✭sunnysoutheast


    Get advice from a solicitor. Do not send a letter stating the above. I have unfortunately heard first hand of PRTB judgements that go the wrong way because the landlord failed to follow the process to the ninth degree. Then they start the process all over again.

    You will be evicting him for breaching his lease(dogs) and being in arrears. Thats it. Don't add anything else to the fire. Don't insult his money management skills or decisions in a letter. Don't make it personal, you're a business and he is not paying you for a service. Period.

    This is the best advice you will get in this thread.

    Bear in mind that this is almost certainly only the start of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,316 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Puddle Q wrote: »
    You could find yourself in big trouble of anyone is attacked by these dogs considering you have been warned already.
    As they're not his dogs, I don't see how. If the neighbour was actually attacked, surely they would've contacted the authorities?
    omnithanos wrote: »
    I wouldn't trust an Estate Agent, from my experience they appear to be neither trustworthy nor competent.
    About that...
    omnithanos wrote: »
    in his first year at the property he had gone into arrears of over €5,000.
    You're down €5,000 that you'll never see. Even if you get a PTRB ruling, he can just ignore it, or pay €5 a month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭ScottStorm


    Sell the house, you said that ea's are untrustworthy? Well unfortunately as a landlord you are incompetent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭king_of_inismac


    Ah give the guy a break. He made not be as professional as he needs to be to be a landlord, but he sounds like a honest decent guy.

    The tenant is the problem here. Not the decent landlord.

    Hope it works out for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭Beta Canis Majoris


    omnithanos wrote: »
    He paid in €55 today woo hoo!

    That was nice of him.


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