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Piaggio mp3 500 (Any Advice)

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  • #2
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    What is the reason you went with a 3 Wheeler ? Specifically.


  • #3
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    listermint wrote: »
    What is the reason you went with a 3 Wheeler ? Specifically.
    I don't have a motor bike license and have never driven a motorbike.

    And I can drive one of these on a car license.


  • #4
    gerrowadat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭gerrowadat


    Of the first page of results on youtube for them, 2 of them are of lads coming off them. Think about if this is really a loophole you want to be exploiting.


  • #5
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    blinding wrote: »
    I don't have a motor bike license and have never driven a motorbike.

    And I can drive one of these on a car license.

    can you not drive a 'Moped' 50CC on a car license ?


  • #6
    KTR1C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭KTR1C


    listermint wrote: »
    can you not drive a 'Moped' 50CC on a car license ?

    No, no you can't. Its a big misconception because they used to add the "M" licence when you got a car licence.


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  • #7
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    listermint wrote: »
    can you not drive a 'Moped' 50CC on a car license ?
    This is a bit bigger 500cc.


  • #8
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    KTR1C wrote: »
    No, no you can't. Its a big misconception because they used to add the "M" licence when you got a car licence.

    Whats the misconception about it?

    They did used to add it so if you have it on your license then you can drive one.

    If however you are applying now you cant.

    No so much a misconception as a change in the rules for new applicants.


  • #9
    KTR1C
    Closed Accounts Posts: 241 ✭✭KTR1C


    listermint wrote: »
    Whats the misconception about it?

    They did used to add it so if you have it on your license then you can drive one.

    If however you are applying now you cant.

    No so much a misconception as a change in the rules for new applicants.

    The misconception being you can drive a 50cc moped on a "car" licence.


  • #10
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,216 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    KTR1C wrote: »
    The misconception being you can drive a 50cc moped on a "car" licence.

    You 'could' on a B License as M 'Was' thrown in. If we are going to be semantic about it......


  • #11
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    gerrowadat wrote: »
    Of the first page of results on youtube for them, 2 of them are of lads coming off them. Think about if this is really a loophole you want to be exploiting.
    Thanks for that . That certainly puts one thinking when one of the main reasons for looking at them is for safety.


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  • #12
    gerrowadat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭gerrowadat


    blinding wrote: »
    Thanks for that . That certainly puts one thinking when one of the main reasons for looking at them is for safety.

    You're only as safe as your skills. If safety on the road is your goal then stay in a car. You're not going to be filtering on one of these to any great extent. I don't think the third wheel would add much in terms of stability, falling over is the least of your worries on the bike usually (it's usually what you're going to hit next, or what just hit you).

    And, I'd be very wary of going out on one without any training. I did my IBT last year and honestly would have had accidents a number of times since then if I hadn't had the training on forward observation, anticipation, shoulder checks, etc. It's a completely different set of skills than driving a car.


  • #13
    ldnboy87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 ✭ldnboy87


    another point to note is that these aren't allowed in the motorcycle parking bays in central London as they have 3 wheels. I'm not 100% but I think I came across that somewhere when I was looking in to getting my scooter.

    Might be better doing your CBT and getting a 125cc bike.


  • #14
    testicle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,429 ✭✭✭testicle


    How much are these things?


  • #15
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,447 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    blinding wrote: »
    And I can drive one of these on a car license.

    Says who?

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • #16
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Says who?
    The DVLA.


  • #17
    gerrowadat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭gerrowadat


    I'd imagine the third wheel would have it classified as a trike, which is a B license.


  • #18
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,447 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    blinding wrote: »
    The DVLA.

    Where?

    I tried searching earlier and didn't find anything on the DVLA site, but did find a newspaper article from 2011 with car-based trike manufacturers giving out stink because all trikes in the UK were going to need a bike licence from then on, even though they don't lean over.

    This one does lean over. To all intents and purposes it's a bike. It would be insane to allow car drivers to ride one without a bike licence, especially if it's without CBT as well.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • #19
    chasm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭chasm


    There was a thread on here before about these bikes:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=89616461

    I read earlier that MAG Ireland intend covering the subject of Trike licencing soon :)


  • #20
    Ayrtonf7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Ayrtonf7


    testicle wrote: »
    How much are these things?

    Worth considering OP!

    May actually work out cheaper to do training and pick up a 125. Way more economical than the 500cc MP3


  • #21
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Ayrtonf7 wrote: »
    Worth considering OP!

    May actually work out cheaper to do training and pick up a 125. Way more economical than the 500cc MP3
    I am beginning to think that myself.

    They are expensive and probably expensive to repair and probably not any/much safer than an normal motorbike.

    Thanks everybody for your help.


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  • #22
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,820 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    gerrowadat wrote: »
    I'd imagine the third wheel would have it classified as a trike, which is a B license.

    It comes in 2 versions with different width track. One qualifies it as car licence eligible.

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  • #23
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,447 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    galwaytt wrote: »
    It comes in 2 versions with different width track. One qualifies it as car licence eligible.

    Citation from NDLS or RSA please because I looked and didn't find one.

    The current EU driver licensing directive appears to insist that going forward, all trikes (even non-leaning) should be on an A category licence.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



  • #24
    chasm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭chasm


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Citation from NDLS or RSA please because I looked and didn't find one.

    The current EU driver licensing directive appears to insist that going forward, all trikes (even non-leaning) should be on an A category licence.

    Yes, Trikes come under the various A categories since 19th January 2013. A full Cat B licence held prior to that date entitled holders to ride trikes and they still retain that entitlement.

    https://www.ndls.ie/licence-categories.html
    Tricycle: Where a person had an entitlement to the category B full licence prior to 19 January 2013 that also covered them to ride tricycles. They still retain that entitlement. All first full Licences issued for the category B from 19 January 2013 would not have this entitlement and therefore they must take out the appropriate Bike category to ride a trike. The appropriate bike category will depend on the CC of the Tricycle.

    Moped: Where a person was issued the category B full licence prior to 21 October 2006 that also covered them to ride mopeds and therefore are entitled to the moped category AM provided the category B licence has not expired for more than 10 years.


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