Just got sky and told by neighbour property management don't allow it

murphyaii

We just got sky into our rented 2 bed apartment as we were tired of upc tv.
they installed a dish out the back and now it's up and running.
then got told by a canadian neighbour that the property management company don't allow sky dishes.
can this be legal?:mad:

snubbleste

Yes.

Next!

Tigger

Is yours the only sky dish on the building?

Paulw

murphyaii wrote: »

We just got sky into our rented 2 bed apartment as we were tired of upc tv.
they installed a dish out the back and now it's up and running.
then got told by a canadian neighbour that the property management company don't allow sky dishes.
can this be legal?:mad:

Yep. Most managed developments have a clause that forbids the erection of a satellite dish. Some developments have a shared Sky dish. You should have asked about that first.

Other than that, yes, the management company can forbid a dish, request you remove it, and if you fail, they can remove it from the property.

murphyaii

a neighbour in the same estate has it in the next row at the front of their house.

Miaireland

Probably worth checking your lease.

Greenmachine

murphyaii wrote: »

a neighbour in the same estate has it in the next row at the front of their house.

If your neighbour is in a house, as opposed to an apartment then there is no comparison to be made. Houses tend not to have property management companies except maybe gated communities.

the groutch

if you really did want to change to Sky it might be worth talking to some of your neighbours, and to the directors of the management company if they live there, to see could you drum up enough interest to get a shared dish from Sky.

athtrasna

murphyaii wrote: »

We just got sky into our rented 2 bed apartment as we were tired of upc tv.
they installed a dish out the back and now it's up and running.
then got told by a canadian neighbour that the property management company don't allow sky dishes.
can this be legal?:mad:

Yes it's legal. And normal in apartment dwellings. And if they drilled a hole in the wall you are now responsible for vandalising common property. Being tired of upc gives you no rights or entitlements to get a satellite dish.

athtrasna

the groutch wrote: »

if you really did want to change to Sky it might be worth talking to some of your neighbours, and to the directors of the management company if they live there, to see could you drum up enough interest to get a shared dish from Sky.

It's usually a condition of planning permission that dishes are banned. Also the OP is a tenant and has no rights to interfere with management company business.

helimachoptor

Op call up explain the situation, if your development has a shared dish you can get sky that way, if not UPC is your only option

Endthescam

No the eu have ruled on this.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-913_en.htm?locale=en

the groutch

athtrasna wrote: »

It's usually a condition of planning permission that dishes are banned. Also the OP is a tenant and has no rights to interfere with management company business.

ok, didn't read he was only a tennant

athtrasna

Endthescam wrote: »

No the eu have ruled on this.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-913_en.htm?locale=en

This is not applicable. It was a recommendation 14 years ago. Has not been introduced or ratified.

godtabh

Did you ask the landlord? He'll probably be pissed too for new holes in his wall

Endthescam

athtrasna wrote: »

This is not applicable. It was a recommendation 14 years ago. Has not been introduced or ratified.

It doesn't have to be. They can take it to Europe as others have do e so successfully.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023359/Having-satellite-dish-human-right-says-European-court.html

foggy_lad

Endthescam wrote: »

No the eu have ruled on this.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-913_en.htm?locale=en

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-913_en.htm?locale=en

Architectural and town-planning obstacles

Concerns of an architectural and town-planning nature, which are often cited in this context, can be met by solutions which make it possible, where necessary and technically feasible, to minimise the visual and aesthetic impact of satellite dishes without impairing quality of reception, under reasonable conditions and at reasonable cost; such solutions can, for example, involve the location of the dish (indoors rather than outdoors) or the type of dish (e.g. a collective dish rather than numerous individual dishes).

seamus

Endthescam wrote: »

It doesn't have to be. They can take it to Europe as others have do e so successfully.

It doesn't really apply in this case for a few reasons.

However the primary reason is that the OP is not banned from having a satellite dish, they're just not permitted to mount it on the building because the building doesn't belong to them.

It would be like sticking your dish on your neighbour's house and them claiming you have a legal right to do it.

The ruling really only prevents unnecessary restrictions on the ability of a private individual to mount a dish on their own dwelling. It doesn't give a blanket "right" to a satellite dish. I've seen plenty of people with dishes sitting in mounts on balconies. Perfectly allowed because they're not attached to anything.

In this case, it is possible to get Sky to mount a communal dish on the roof on the property (with the management company consent), which then feeds all of the apartments. Sky require a certain amount of signups before they'll do it though.

Larbre34

athtrasna wrote: »

It's usually a condition of planning permission that dishes are banned. Also the OP is a tenant and has no rights to interfere with management company business.

Not always, in some older group developments the Management Company have adopted a policy of banning dishes with the consent of the owners making up the Company.

Id suggest its more common than not that dishes are banned in apartment developments.

Gumbo

murphyaii wrote: »

We just got sky into our rented 2 bed apartment as we were tired of upc tv.
they installed a dish out the back and now it's up and running.
then got told by a canadian neighbour that the property management company don't allow sky dishes.
can this be legal?:mad:

How did you fix the dish to the Apartment?

_Kaiser_

I've seen "dishes" shaped as things like outdoor lights and such - probably get some examples on the Satellite forum - that can then be put out on the balcony (assuming it faces the right direction etc)

Maybe that's an option?

what2do

And the bad news is that they can remove them and I think you could be charged for that pleasure!

mickdw

This just highlights the utter madness of property 'ownership' where management companies are involved.

riclad

look on the satelite forum,on boards.ie
What some people do is put a small dish on a balcony,
if your building faces in the right direction ,
you can get a signal .
It can be placed so it is not visible from ground level .
if the balcony has got a solid floor ,
ie not just a metal frame type balcony .
also paint the dish white ,or grey ,
same color as the balcony to blend in .

IN cases where putting installing a dish on the walls is not allowed .
My Friend lives in an apartment ,
every unit is wired for sky tv,
from a dish on the roof.
Even people who buy an apartment have no legal right to put up a dish .

athtrasna

mickdw wrote: »

This just highlights the utter madness of property 'ownership' where management companies are involved.

The OP is not an owner and had no right to install a dish.

Grandpa Hassan

Whether this is a flat or a freehold house is irrelevant. I'm amazed that a tenant can think that they can drill holes in the wall of the landlords property!

murphyaii

Endthescam wrote: »

No the eu have ruled on this.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-01-913_en.htm?locale=en

As i thought.
How the hell can it be illegal to mount a dish?
only in this banana republic would they make it illegal.
good to see europe voted the right way on this.

athtrasna

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Whether this is a flat or a freehold house is irrelevant. I'm amazed that a tenant can think that they can drill holes in the wall of the landlords property!

It's not even the landlord's property, it's management company property, meaning the landlord will be in trouble with the mc. It's at least vandalism, verging on criminal damage.

Kenny Logins

murphyaii wrote: »

We just got sky into our rented 2 bed apartment as we were tired of upc tv.
they installed a dish out the back and now it's up and running.
then got told by a canadian neighbour that the property management company don't allow sky dishes.
can this be legal?:mad:

Check to see if the block has a shared dish. Just plug into that.

ceegee

murphyaii wrote: »

As i thought.
How the hell can it be illegal to mount a dish?
only in this banana republic would they make it illegal.
good to see europe voted the right way on this.

How is it illegal to drill holes in other peoples property?

murphyaii

it is a ground floor apartment.
dish is out the back.
think i'll hang some plastic flowers off it to brighten it up.
it is not vandalism, jaysus, the things people will say.

godtabh

murphyaii wrote: »

it is a ground floor apartment.
dish is out the back.
think i'll hang some plastic flowers off it to brighten it up.
it is not vandalism, jaysus, the things people will say.

It will probably be gone in a few days. I wouldnt put to much effort into it.

Our management company charges the cost of a cherry picker, man hours and disposal rates for the removal of satellite dishes.

athtrasna

murphyaii wrote: »

it is a ground floor apartment.
dish is out the back.
think i'll hang some plastic flowers off it to brighten it up.
it is not vandalism, jaysus, the things people will say.

Was a hole drilled in the wall to feed the cable into the apartment?

Paulw

murphyaii wrote: »

As i thought.
How the hell can it be illegal to mount a dish?
only in this banana republic would they make it illegal.
good to see europe voted the right way on this.

You are more than welcome to take a case to the European court, to get permission to have a dish. Until then, the management company are well within their rights to remove the dish and charge you an admin fee for it.

Axwell

murphyaii wrote: »

it is a ground floor apartment.
dish is out the back.
think i'll hang some plastic flowers off it to brighten it up.
it is not vandalism, jaysus, the things people will say.

You rent the apartment you dont own it so drilling holes in outside walls to run cables without having permission to do so from our landlord can easily be considered vandalism.

Also generally speaking external walls do not belong to the property owner in such properties as this so even if you were the owner you do not own the external wall and therefore dont have permission to put a satellite dish on it. As such you are more than likely breaking the terms of your lease contract and the landlords own contract with the property management company.


Its unlikely the satellite will remain there for long so going forward the best option is to speak to the management company about a communal dish for Sky, they will only do so though if enough people are looking for it.

athtrasna

Mod note: Please stay on topic and do not advocate or applaud potential damage to management company property.

Remind Me Tomorrow

In the OPs case yes they can take it down. you don't own the apartment and the landlord doesn't own the walls which you have drilled into.

But it is not always the case that the management company can enforce a no dish policy. My management company has a no dish policy based on them being deemed "ugly". They tried to enforce the rule on freehold houses within the estate. Needless to say all the houses have dishes. They couldn't give a clear definition of ugly and also couldn't get around the fact that it is more illegal for them to enter someone's property without permission and steal their dish than it is to mount an "ugly" item on your wall.

snubbleste

I already answered this with one word in post #2, so, what are the last 35 posts about?

It's absolutely crazy that management companies ban dishes like this. A satellite dish is pretty much a necessity in this day and age, they should either allow people put up their own dishes or provide a communal one.

athtrasna

Lionel Noisy Phlegm wrote: »

It's absolutely crazy that management companies ban dishes like this. A satellite dish is pretty much a necessity in this day and age, they should either allow people put up their own dishes or provide a communal one.

We don't know who has banned the dish in this case, whether it's a management company decision or a planning permission issue. Speculation without facts is not helpful. We do know that the development has upc so a satellite dish is not a "necessity' in this case.

Larbre34

A certain auction company who deals in distressed assets drilled a sale board into the brickwork of a common property building in our development. The MC went after them and they had to have the holes professionally filled and pay costs.

Satellite dishes are dealt with similarly.

Grandpa Hassan

Lionel Noisy Phlegm wrote: »

It's absolutely crazy that management companies ban dishes like this. A satellite dish is pretty much a necessity in this day and age, they should either allow people put up their own dishes or provide a communal one.

I completely support the manco in my apartments banning dishes (and washing clothes/keeping bikes on balconies etc). The place looks great, and is beautifully landscaped. Dishes everywhere would ruin the aesthetics competely

Kenny Logins

Lionel Noisy Phlegm wrote: »

It's absolutely crazy that management companies ban dishes like this. A satellite dish is pretty much a necessity in this day and age, they should either allow people put up their own dishes or provide a communal one.

OP still hasn't let us know if there is a shared dish installed or not.

endacl

murphyaii wrote: »

As i thought.
How the hell can it be illegal to mount a dish?
only in this banana republic would they make it illegal.
good to see europe voted the right way on this.

You're making a mountain out of this. It's not illegal to mount a dish. The owner of the property may deny you permission to mount one to their property. For whatever reason they choose. That's their business. 'Banana republic'? That just comes across as a bit silly. Buy a gaff. You can bolt whatever you like to it then. Europe didn't vote on the situation you outline. You signed a lease agreeing to abide by the common rules laid down by the management company. You could always move?

mickdw

athtrasna wrote: »

The OP is not an owner and had no right to install a dish.

The landlord or owners in these cases have no right to install a dish either. Its idiotic.

redappple

athtrasna wrote: »

Being tired of upc gives you no rights or entitlements to get a satellite dish.

Couldn't agree more. You can't honestly think that all of us renting in apartments/built up areas are choosing UPC by choice . . ?!!!:D

endacl

mickdw wrote: »

The landlord or owners in these cases have no right to install a dish either. Its idiotic.

That's as may be, but they did agree to it. Satellite dishes weren't invented since these properties were built and sold.

endacl

redappple wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. You can't honestly think that all of us renting in apartments/built up areas are choosing UPC by choice . . ?!!!:D

Of course you are. D'telly isn't compulsory y'know!

Murph_D

riclad wrote: »

look on the satelite forum,on boards.ie
What some people do is put a small dish on a balcony,
if your building faces in the right direction ,
you can get a signal .
It can be placed so it is not visible from ground level .
if the balcony has got a solid floor ,
ie not just a metal frame type balcony .
also paint the dish white ,or grey ,
same color as the balcony to blend in .

IN cases where putting installing a dish on the walls is not allowed .
My Friend lives in an apartment ,
every unit is wired for sky tv,
from a dish on the roof.
Even people who buy an apartment have no legal right to put up a dish .

Reads like a Paul Durcan poem. Lovely.

Alias G

mickdw wrote: »

This just highlights the utter madness of property 'ownership' where management companies are involved.

No it doesn't. Its quite feasible to get satellite TV with out the whole block plastering the building with satellites. They can often be installed more discreetly on the balcony for example. The same goes for those who decorate the front of their house with a dish which is usually in violation of local planning laws. It is usually perfectly feasible to install on the side of the house or on the chimney without being an utter eyesore.

Santa Cruz

Lionel Noisy Phlegm wrote: »

It's absolutely crazy that management companies ban dishes like this. A satellite dish is pretty much a necessity in this day and age, they should either allow people put up their own dishes or provide a communal one.

The management company is made up of the owners of the property. They can change the rules by holding an E.G.M. If you don't like the rules don't join the club