Light aircraft down in Dublin mts

Preset No.3

The only information that I have is that there is reports of a light aircraft that has crashed on Mount Leinster. Rescue 117 on scene. Hill walker saw the aircraft go down.

Sky King

According to KCLR news it was on the Blackstairs mountains, not Mt Leinster, and there has been two fatalities.

tricky D

SAR over the Blackstairs.

sjb25

Rescue117 now seems landed in this area hasn't moved so it must be around there

I'm not far away at all heard a plane going round earlier

Charlie-Bravo

What app do you use for marine sjb25?

sjb25

astrofluff wrote: »

What app do you use for marine sjb25?

Ship finder just the free version

Nforce

http://www.marinetraffic.com/

R117 appears to be parked up at Coolree

pepe the prawn

RTE reporting it was a Cessna.

fits

Oh no . Just heard there was a rescue helicopter up there.

Simon Gruber Says

Any information on where the aircraft originated? Really hope they're OK.

BMJD

RTE reporting 2 fatalities. R.I.P.

JillyQ

BMJD wrote: »

RTE reporting 2 fatalities. R.I.P.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/two-men-have-died-after-their-light-aircraft-crashes-into-mountain-31249830.html

Same in the indo. RIP

Storm 10

BMJD wrote: »

RTE reporting 2 fatalities. R.I.P.

Coastguard confirm Rescue 117 went to the scene both persons on board deceased, RIP very sad news

sjb25

Simon Gruber Says wrote: »

Any information on where the aircraft originated? Really hope they're OK.

Rte are saying Ballyboy in Co Offaly ( should read Meath)two on board deceased RIP

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0524/703454-light-aircraft-crash/

duskyjoe

Dreadful news. I knew the two. Devastated. Ballyboy co Meath it should have read.

sjb25

duskyjoe wrote: »

Dreadful news. I knew the two. Devastated. Ballyboy co Meath it should have read.

Edited my post thanks lesson in copy and paste

Terrible news RIP

Wanderer78

duskyjoe wrote: »

Dreadful news. I knew the two. Devastated. Ballyboy co Meath it should have read.

im sorry to hear this news. rip

JCX BXC

Just got the RTE news alert.

Anyone know what aircraft type it is (seen a report that its a Cessna)

Lockheed

Plane took off very near to where I am now. Really upset to hear the news. R.I.P.

N7777G

Carnacalla wrote: »

Just got the RTE news alert.

Anyone know what aircraft type it is (seen a report that its a Cessna)

It was Ballyboy-based Cessna 182 N247P :- https://flic.kr/p/ngpF6x

Shocking news, RIP.

logie101

N7777G wrote: »

It's believed to be Cessna 182 N247P :- https://flic.kr/p/ngpF6x

Shocking news, RIP.

Gee a big powerful safe aircraft like that. You would wonder what went wrong.

sad news. RIP.

b757

N7777G wrote: »

It's believed to be Cessna 182 N247P :- https://flic.kr/p/ngpF6x

Shocking news, RIP.

If so, I'm nearly certain I saw that aircraft on FR24 earlier on. Can't playback to see what time.

It was operating around Wicklow Mtns heading in a southerly direction as far as I remember.

RIP to all involved.

Xpro

A very very experienced pilot too. My heart goes out to the families. RIP

Simon Gruber Says

I'm sure the hearts of the Irish GA community and the rest of the country go out to the families of the pilots. Very sad news. RIP

Lockheed

b757 wrote: »

If so, I'm nearly certain I saw that aircraft on FR24 earlier on. Can't playback to see what time.

It was operating around Wicklow Mtns heading in a southerly direction as far as I remember.

RIP to all involved.

I saw it on FR24 a good while back. The plane got picked up by plane tracking, so that could help out the Air Accident team.

fr336

RIP.

Alaba320

Lockheed wrote: »

I saw it on FR24 a good while back. The plane got picked up by plane tracking, so that could help out the Air Accident team.

I'd like to think that the AAIU will use something a little more sophisticated than an iPhone app to track the aircraft movement

arubex

Alaba320 wrote: »

I'd like to think that the AAIU will use something a little more sophisticated than an iPhone app to track the aircraft movement

Not particularly. If it was flying VFR in an area of radar-masking then MLAT-derived position plotting on an external service such as FR24 can be very useful.

Alaba320

Alaba320 wrote: »

I'd like to think that the AAIU will use something a little more sophisticated than an iPhone app to track the aircraft movement

AAIU will use ANYTHING that will give them a clearer picture of what happened.

PippaChic

I saw the plane take off! I live near the airfield and the pilot would regularly fly the plane in a loop a few times, landing and taking off again - when I didn't see the plane return as normal I guessed he had gone down the country.

I hope neither of them suffered. My heart goes out to their families, may they RIP

imurdaddy

PippaChic wrote: »

I saw the plane take off! I live near the airfield and the pilot would regularly fly the plane in a loop a few times, landing and taking off again - when I didn't see the plane return as normal I guessed he had gone down the country.

I hope neither of them suffered. My heart goes out to their families, may they RIP

Sad stuff folks, it just shows enjoying life while you can as we never know what tomorrow holds. RIP.

Xpro

Really sad stuff, and even more weird as to what happened on such a nice day..

Crash Site

jetfiremuck

Heard from the news that there were 2 dogs on board an Alsatian and another dog. We're they restrained or in a travel kennel. They may have contributed to the accident

Sky King

Anything may have contributed to the accident. Best leave the conjecture to the AAIU.

Reoil

They had their dogs with them. Perhaps that might have been a distraction for them?

smurfjed

They may have contributed to the accident

Is it fair to speculate like that?

FWVT

smurfjed wrote: »

Is it fair to speculate like that?

I don't get why people are so sensitive about speculation on accidents. Unfortunately we can do nothing to change what happened, but we can use what we know from it to learn for the future. Of course the official investigation will be the only source of true learning, but for now certain facts have been divulged.

We know the weather was reported to be good (although we don't know at exactly what time it occurred). We also know that two dogs were on board the 4-seater light aircraft. That is a fact (even more certain than the weather conditions). It is therefore ok to say that one possibility could be something to do with the dogs. It is just a possibility, and one that will be considered in the investigation.

To say this is not being disrespectful to the unfortunate men who lost their lives or their families. Unfortunately what has happened has happened, so let there be outpourings of grief, but at the same time let people also discuss the facts so that we can all learn from it...if that is possible at this early stage.

RIP

I think it's considered disrespectful on the basis the men that some on here may personally know are barely cold and people are PUBLICALLY discussing theories on how they MAY have died. I'm not even aware if these men are buried yet, it's not just a Boards thing or an Irish thing I have seen this respect being sought internationally in crashes. Few facts are known at this point. What's to learn beyond speculation at this point. Let the investigators investigate and produce their initial findings then let educated discussion commence.

FWVT

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think it's considered disrespectful on the basis the men that some on here may personally know are barely cold and people are PUBLICALLY discussing theories on how they MAY have died. I'm not even aware if these men are buried yet, it's not just a Boards thing or an Irish thing I have seen this respect being sought internationally in crashes. Few facts are known at this point. What's to learn beyond speculation at this point. Let the investigators investigate and produce their initial findings then let educated discussion commence.

Again, regardless of whether it's done only here or everywhere else, what is wrong with publicly discussing how the accident may have occurred when using only the facts that we DO know? I'm not saying we should start speculating on what the men themselves may or may not have done, I'm just saying that one fact we do.know is that dogs were on board the small aircraft and this could be considered one area of investigation. You're not allowed drive a car with a dog unrestrained.

Staph

As someone who knows one of the men well, I think it's totally inappropriate for you to comment like this. You are not an investigator and it's not your position to speculate.
This is truly a tragic accident, and it is painful for their family and friends. Please consider this in your further 'musings'.

Sky King

Aside from the obvious disrespect for those involved, it is damaging for GA to have totally unqualified, uninformed people spouting garbage about what may or may not have caused an accident. I have seen this sort of thing regurgitated verbatim from internet forums in trashy newspapers after accidents and it is not good for the sport.

notharrypotter

I don't get why people are so sensitive about speculation on accidents.

I think Mark Twain covered it best.

“A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”

I will use the earlier posts to give an example.

I'm just saying that one fact we do.know is that dogs were on board the small aircraft

Take a few choice words and we have.
The dogs were flying the plane!!!!!!!!!!!!



It is very easy to postulate in the absence of all facts.

Post 22 is an example of well meaning offering of information.

If so, I'm nearly certain I saw that aircraft on FR24 earlier on. Can't playback to see what time.

It was operating around Wicklow Mtns heading in a southerly direction as far as I remember.

This was then supported by post 25

I saw it on FR24 a good while back. The plane got picked up by plane tracking,

Although post 22 was careful to cover themselves post 25 is categorical in their assertions of what is truth.

Post 27 tried to insert an element of reality

I'd like to think that the AAIU will use something a little more sophisticated than an iPhone app to track the aircraft movement

And was promptly put in his place by post 28.

Not particularly. If it was flying VFR in an area of radar-masking then MLAT-derived position plotting on an external service such as FR24 can be very useful.

Post 28 is very careful in their use of language.

The danger is that the subtle differences between the facts become lost quite quickly. And the nuances of the English language can be used to support a claim while giving the claimant an out.

what is wrong with publicly discussing how the accident may have occurred when using only the facts that we DO know

Taken from the perspective of a person who may lack the technical or professional knowledge it is easy to believe:

The dogs were flying the plane and FR24 is far superior to the millions of euro worth of surveillance equipment used by the IAA.



This was an unfortunate event and condolences to the families of all involved.

FWVT

notharrypotter wrote: »

I think Mark Twain covered it best.



I will use the earlier posts to give an example.



Take a few choice words and we have.
The dogs were flying the plane!!!!!!!!!!!!



It is very easy to postulate in the absence of all facts.

Post 22 is an example of well meaning offering of information.


This was then supported by post 25


Although post 22 was careful to cover themselves post 25 is categorical in their assertions of what is truth.

Post 27 tried to insert an element of reality


And was promptly put in his place by post 28.



Post 28 is very careful in their use of language.

The danger is that the subtle differences between the facts become lost quite quickly. And the nuances of the English language can be used to support a claim while giving the claimant an out.



Taken from the perspective of a person who may lack the technical or professional knowledge it is easy to believe:

The dogs were flying the plane and FR24 is far superior to the millions of euro worth of surveillance equipment used by the IAA.



This was an unfortunate event and condolences to the families of all involved.

With respect, this is just drivel. I never said dogs were flying the plane. I would, in fact, find THAT comment disrespectful to those involved.

If political correctness is to become the rule here then why should people be allowed post links to news articles showing actual photos of the wreckage and stating that rescuers confirmed that dogs were on board? All I and the other poster have stated is that - based on this confirmed fact - one POSSIBILITY amongst MANY is that the dog(s) COULD have somehow caused a problem. That is different from actually saying that they did. Do you disagree with this?

FWVT

Staph wrote: »

As someone who knows one of the men well, I think it's totally inappropriate for you to comment like this. You are not an investigator and it's not your position to speculate.
This is truly a tragic accident, and it is painful for their family and friends. Please consider this in your further 'musings'.

Why inappropriate? Have you not already wondered what may have happened to your friend? I'm as sorry as anyone that this happened and I feel for you and everyone else who knew them.

FWVT

Sky King wrote: »

Aside from the obvious disrespect for those involved, it is damaging for GA to have totally unqualified, uninformed people spouting garbage about what may or may not have caused an accident. I have seen this sort of thing regurgitated verbatim from internet forums in trashy newspapers after accidents and it is not good for the sport.

What garbage did I spout? I only stated what was already confirmed.

notharrypotter

The following are known facts.
An aircraft has crashed.
2 people tragically lost their lives.

Other points which may have no bearing on the unfortunate incident.

There were 2 dogs onboard.
One is am Alsatian.

Conjecture in the absence of the truth leads supposed knowledgeable peoples pontificating to be taken as fact.

The intention of my post was twofold
One: To illustrate how the facts can be intermingled with other tangential details to support a pet theory. &
Two: How the facts can be presented to an individual who has no technical or professional knowledge in a field.

Your reference to the presence of the dogs coupled with your previous comment about dogs in cars leads me to assume you believe they are a factor.

I for one would prefer to wait for the AAIU report.

FWVT

notharrypotter wrote: »

The following are known facts.
An aircraft has crashed.
2 people tragically lost their lives.

Other points which may have no bearing on the unfortunate incident.

There were 2 dogs onboard.
One is am Alsatian.

Conjecture in the absence of the truth leads supposed knowledgeable peoples pontificating to be taken as fact.

The intention of my post was twofold
One: To illustrate how the facts can be intermingled with other tangential details to support a pet theory. &
Two: How the facts can be presented to an individual who has no technical or professional knowledge in a field.

Your reference to the presence of the dogs coupled with your previous comment about dogs in cars leads me to assume you believe they are a factor.

I for one would prefer to wait for the AAIU report.

Yep, me too, so if this thread is a book of condolences only and not for discussion of the crash then it should be highlighted in the title, or the thread should be closed until we get the report.

<SNIP> deleted as that retort is beneath you.

Aerohead

If we go down the road of not being able to discuss an aircraft incident we may as well close the Aviation forum altogether, sadly two people lost their lives in this crash, we know they were skilled pilots and flying in good weather so being human and like the professional pilots on PPRUNE we speculate about how this terrible crash took place, its human nature to discuss the crash and no one on here is posting in any disrespectful way about these two fine pilots. RIP guys.

pepe the prawn

Aerohead wrote: »

If we go down the road of not being able to discuss an aircraft incident we may as well close the Aviation forum altogether, sadly two people lost their lives in this crash, we know they were skilled pilots and flying in good weather so being human and like the professional pilots on PPRUNE we speculate about how this terrible crash took place, its human nature to discuss the crash and no one on here is posting in any disrespectful way about these two fine pilots. RIP guys.

Pprune.... I wouldn't believe the time of day from that site, it's largely populated by bitter armchair pilots.


As for all the other posts, talk about being dragged off topic. Two men lost their lives in a light aircraft crash, that is all that is officially known. Anything beyond that is speculation and opinion but cannot be substantiated on anything.

And I might add, no one will know for certain what happened until the AAIU release their report, which could be some time away yet, some reports can take up to two years to complete.

Tenger

“A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”

Sky King wrote: »

Anything may have contributed to the accident. Best leave the conjecture to the AAIU.

smurfjed wrote: »

Is it fair to speculate like that?

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's considered disrespectful on the basis the men that some on here may personally know are barely cold and people are PUBLICALLY discussing theories on how they MAY have died. ..... Let the investigators investigate and produce their initial findings then let educated discussion commence.

I'm going to wade in here.
The problem of speculation in this tragic incident is that people on boards.ie know the deceased and/or know the airfield the aircraft flew from. So it is very close to home.

While speculation is part of the raison d'etre of this forum we must realise that what we post can be interpreted differently than what we intend.
FWVT highlighted the presence of pets onboard, they also mentioned the regs for pets in cars. No-one suggested that he was making a solid connection but others reading that post may do so. Hence the response from notharrypotter.
Suddenly you have posts on other fora citing "the info" posted here.

Everyone must choose their words carefully. If required the mod can edit your older posts if you wish.

As an aside I would ask both of you to calm down. This is a tragic incident and any more back and forth will result in a short ban. No red or yellow cards. This is your warning.

Reoil

I think people need to calm down a bit here.
It was indeed a tragic event, but when two local people are killed in a light air crash people are slated for suggesting what may have caused the crash, but yet it's perfectly fine to suggest the reasons behind a plane with hundreds of people on board to go missing?