The peter principle

veryangryman

I heard enda today saying how it's gonna be a bright bright bright sun shiny day. Im quoting him.

Happy with the referendum but... Going back to the thread title, do you think that (like pete) he has gotten by on how long he been there coupled with some decent guys doing the heavy lifting.

Outside of enda, do you see the same happens with people that have been stuck in same position so long.

Birneybau

Pete?

porsche959

He is standing on the shoulders of giants.

Garret Fitzgerald, while he can be accused of being a waffler, founded the liberal wing of Fine Gael and it could be argued started the peace process with the Anglo-Irish agreement.

I like some people in FG. Enda Kenny's not one of them.

harry Bailey esq

I was going to start the same thread but you've beaten me to it

lizzyman

veryangryman wrote: »

I head enda today saying how it's gonna be a bright bright bright sun shiny day. Im quoting him.

Happy with the referendum but... Going back to the thread title, do you think that (like pete) he has gotten by on how long he been there coupled with some decent guys doing the heavy lifting.

Outside of enda, do you see the same happens with people that have been stuck in same position so long.

Enda, and all the other politicians who backed the referendum did so because they saw which way the wind was blowing and it was politically expedient to do so. I saw a clip recently from a few years ago where he refused to give an answer on whether he supported it or not.

Arsemageddon

veryangryman wrote: »

I head enda today...

oral sex reference?

Nib

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

One eyed Jack

porsche959 wrote: »

He is standing on the shoulders of giants.

Garret Fitzgerald, while he can be accused of being a waffler, founded the liberal wing of Fine Gael and it could be argued started the peace process with the Anglo-Irish agreement.

I like some people in FG. Enda Kenny's not one of them.

Where are people getting the idea that voting in favour of the referendum is a liberal ideology? FG and even Garrett Fitzgerald were always conservative, and still are. The referendum was just common sense at this stage. Surely the liberal stance would have been to have promoted the idea of doing away with marriage altogether rather than promoting the idea of marriage in society, no?

I mean promoting marriage as in giving more people the opportunity to enter into marriage, the idea of marriage itself being associated with conservative ideology.

Enda is the epitome of conservative really, have to give FG credit for their economic recovery policies, but socially he really tries too hard to be liked by everyone and can often trip over himself.

Chucken

Nib wrote: »

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

I thought it was just me

uch

AH sure we'll have another Mass

HamsterFace

lizzyman wrote: »

Enda, and all the other politicians who backed the referendum did so because they saw which way the wind was blowing and it was politically expedient to do so. I saw a clip recently from a few years ago where he refused to give an answer on whether he supported it or not.

And all other politicians.

This is negative horse manure in my opinion, it's criticise at all costs and is of no use. Presumptuous at best. You including varadkar there?

You don't have to agree with all a party does or says, or disagree. Life isn't black and white.

We don't know how lucky we are to have centrist government

The Diabolical Monocle

This is about peter north right ?

the evasion_kid

Chucken wrote: »

I thought it was just me

Me too I thought the post looked like a bunch of broken sticks

Chucken

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Me too I thought the post looked like a bunch of broken sticks

Something probably happened while I was on the Eurovision thread, having a laugh

silverfeather

The principle that a candidate is being judged on their performance in a previous role rather than their suitability and relevant qualities for the role they are going for. It goes not just for people but for systems. People tend to use again and again what has worked previously despite the fact it might have long exceeded it's effective scope. It says people are promoted to levels at which they are incompetent.

“in a hierarchical organization, employees tend to rise to the level of their incompetence.”

Generally outsiders to the hierarchy in companies do better.
Enda was never effective though and judging him on his present performance i think he is pants!

silverfeather

lizzyman wrote: »

Enda, and all the other politicians who backed the referendum did so because they saw which way the wind was blowing and it was politically expedient to do so. I saw a clip recently from a few years ago where he refused to give an answer on whether he supported it or not.

The yes campaign Marriage Equality and Yes equality did a brilliant job and really changed the way politics was done for this. I did a little canvassing with Yes equality and it was all so positive and vibrant. They had a 3-5 year plan for this.
Yes equality had grassroots canvassing schedules up on their sites all the time you found the one nearest your group it was all so inclusive. They had a whole canvassing guide for ordinary people. And so ordinary people got involved. It was very human.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Like most of the Fine Gael top brass Enda went for yes, obviously no conviction behind his vote considering FG's stance on the issue a few years back.


There's a General Election next year so they had to play up popular, just look at the stone cold silence from other high rankers in Fine Gael.


I suppose they don't agree but the party tells them they have to. It's very shallow really isn't it? It's why I'll never join one of these parties, values switch on popular opinion, there's no real belief or conviction behind any of their spins

silverfeather

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Like most of the Fine Gael top brass Enda went for yes, obviously no conviction behind his vote considering FG's stance on the issue a few years back.


There's a General Election next year so they had to play up popular, just look at the stone cold silence from other high rankers in Fine Gael.


I suppose they don't agree but the party tells them they have to. It's very shallow really isn't it? It's why I'll never join one of these parties, values switch on popular opinion of, there's no real belief or conviction

Agreed even Lucinda Creighton changed her vote to yes. Obviously I am glad but it shows you how disingenuous politics as a whole is though on both sides. Eamon Gilmour looked so mechanical talking about it. The grassroots campaigners were full of life and real enthusiasm during interviews.


It's the same for a lot of issues also across the board. They have paid little heed to the referendum commission in general despite how much it took to set up.

Geniass

No accusation of Sunshine and Lollipops can be leveled at this thread.

The DOOM AND GLOOM for all campaign starts now.

silverfeather

Nib wrote: »

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Uh huh.

Hermy

Geniass wrote: »

No accusation of Sunshine and Lollipops can be leveled at this thread.

The DOOM AND GLOOM for all campaign starts now.

It never went away you know.

dirtyden

Enda has been a real disappointment.

He stands for nothing apart from keeping himself in a position of leadership. He has no agenda apart from power. He has ability in politics but not in leadership and does not appear to have any coherent vision. There are many more capable people within Fine Gael but Kenny is very good at keeping his own house in order and I don't see anyone else leading Fine Gael until he decides to step aside himself.

silverfeather

dirtyden wrote: »

Enda has been a real disappointment.

He stands for nothing apart from keeping himself in a position of leadership. He has no agenda apart from power. He has ability in politics but not in leadership and does not appear to have any coherent vision. There are many more capable people within Fine Gael but Kenny is very good at keeping his own house in order and I don't see anyone else leading Fine Gael until he decides to step aside himself.

His wife is the brains and competence. Brilliant pr woman worked for haughey.

MistyCheese

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

This is about peter north right ?

Everything is about peter north, homer.
Except this.

dirtyden

silverfeather wrote: »

His wife is the brains and competence. Brilliant pr woman worked for haughey.

I did not know that. Did a quick google. Looks like she was a key member of Haughey's team whilst dating Enda. It makes you wonder was there ever any sensitive information passed between them?

ToddyDoody

veryangryman wrote: »

Do you think that (like pete) he has gotten by on how long he been there coupled with some decent guys doing the heavy lifting.

Outside of enda, do you see the same happens with people that have been stuck in same position so long.

Fine Gael seem to be able to reduce unemployment. I figure there's no great need to change that and attempt to let the construction fetish ultimately make the country almost uninhabitable again? I dunno.

Santa Cruz

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Fine Gael seem to be able to reduce unemployment. I figure there's no great need to change that and attempt to let the construction fetish ultimately make the country almost uninhabitable again? I dunno.

Who is going to build housing for people who need it? The Greens. Nothing wrong with proper construction