Forum name change?

eviltwin

In light of today's historic victory can we now change the forum name to Weddings and Marriage and get rid of the CP bit?

On an aside I'm delighted this forum may now get busier and I'm looking forward to more stories of bride and groomzillas

Milly33

delighted to hear that it will pass not sure a name change is needed

Malari

Civil partnership still exists though, doesn't it?

Vojera

Malari wrote: »

Civil partnership still exists though, doesn't it?

It will until everything is finalised. The first weddings are expected by Christmas.

fits

Some of my straight friends have expressed interest in civil partnership but im not really sure why.

Malari

Vojera wrote: »

It will until everything is finalised. The first weddings are expected by Christmas.

And when it becomes law, will civil partnerships cease to become available? Presumably there will still be people civilly partnered and not married though.

Hannibal Smith

I thought civil partnerships were going to continue? If you didnt want to marry you could still for for CP.

What happens to those with CP surely the CP doesnt automatically convert into marriage?

Malari

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

I thought civil partnerships were going to continue? If you didnt want to marry you could still for for CP.

What happens to those with CP surely the CP doesnt automatically convert into marriage?

No, not automatically. I think you will be able to apply to transfer though.

sweetie

I don't know what a tracker mortgage is.

tinkerbell

Woooop! Delighted for today's result. I LOL'd at the groomzilla comment above - there's quite a few good groomzilla stories over in AIBU on mumsnet

Vojera

Malari wrote: »

And when it becomes law, will civil partnerships cease to become available? Presumably there will still be people civilly partnered and not married though.

I assume we'll follow NZ and the UK where new civil partnerships will no longer be formed, it'll be marriage or nothing. Those already in CPs, like myself, will be able (but not compelled) to convert their CPs to full marriage by doing some paperwork at the registry office or having an optional ceremony.

I assume anyway.

Mrs OBumble

fits wrote: »

Some of my straight friends have expressed interest in civil partnership but im not really sure why.

Possibly because of the deeply ingrained patriarchal nature of marriage within Western culture.

fits

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Possibly because of the deeply ingrained patriarchal nature of marriage within Western culture.

Maybe once upon a time but is that true anymore? I just see it as a very practical way of letting the state know you are a unit.

haveringchick

fits wrote: »

Maybe once upon a time but is that true anymore? I just see it as a very practical way of letting the state know you are a unit.

I thought it was great too and slot of gay friends were delighted with it and don't feel the need to t transfer or anything.
It wasn't open to heterosexual couples.

Peregrinus

Vojera wrote: »

I assume we'll follow NZ and the UK where new civil partnerships will no longer be formed, it'll be marriage or nothing. Those already in CPs, like myself, will be able (but not compelled) to convert their CPs to full marriage by doing some paperwork at the registry office or having an optional ceremony.

I think this is the plan.

Basically, CP was devised as a kind of "separate but equal" status for same-sex couples to try to stave off the demand for same-sex marriage. It obviously didn't work from that point of view, and the perceived need which gave to it no longer exists, so it doesn't seem that there is any reason to have a separate civil partner status any more.

Since nobody can be compelled to marry, existing civil partners can continue in that status if they wish, but I think the plan is that a once same-sex couples are free to marry, the option of civil partnership will cease to be available to them, so from the day that same-sex marriage becomes possible, no new civil partnerships will be celebrated. There is no proposal to introduce a civil partnership status for opposite-sex couples.

skallywag

It's certainly a monumental moment, all the more so that the Irish constitution dictated an actual referendum on the same.

I think that calling for the forum to be immediately renamed is a case of putting the cart before the the horse though, the Civil Partnership topic still holds merit for the time being at least.

Neyite

fits wrote: »

Some of my straight friends have expressed interest in civil partnership but im not really sure why.

I thought Civil Partnerships were only available for gay people?

lazygal

Neyite wrote: »

I thought Civil Partnerships were only available for gay people?

In Ireland, yes. But similar arrangments to them exist in other countries for gay and straight people. I have cousins living in another European country where its common to be in a civil partnership, especially if you buy property together. So there might be confusion about recognising such relationships in the future here. They aren't married where they live, but they do have legally recognised relationships.

IvyTheTerrible

lazygal wrote: »

In Ireland, yes. But similar arrangments to them exist in other countries for gay and straight people. I have cousins living in another European country where its common to be in a civil partnership, especially if you buy property together. So there might be confusion about recognising such relationships in the future here. They aren't married where they live, but they do have legally recognised relationships.

Yeah, in France we have what's called "PACS", it was initially introduced as a stopgap for gay couples but straight couples use it a lot.

Mrs OBumble

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

straight couples use it a lot.

Indeed. Refer to my previous comment about the historical baggage that comes with "marriage".