Any proposals on the cards tomorrow?

Kiwi in IE

It's going to be a YES!!!! High voter turnout particularly in urban areas. Brilliant! I wonder will Iona and friends p*ss off when they find that the nation doesn't reflect their views and doesn't want to listen to their prejudice, divisive bullsh*t?

It is a bit premature, and it seems ridiculous to say congratulations for gaining something that is a right, but....

So, any wedding dates being set? Proposals?

retro:electro

I recon it will be a high yes, 69-79% yes I predict, and if not I'll eat me hat.

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Kiwi in IE wrote: »

It's going to be a YES!!!! High voter turnout particularly in urban areas. Brilliant! I wonder will Iona and friends p*ss off when they find that the nation doesn't reflect their views and doesn't want to listen to their prejudice, divisive bullsh*t?

It is a bit premature, and it seems ridiculous to say congratulations for gaining something that is a right, but....

So, any wedding dates being set? Proposals?

So you know the votes people cast in secret. Well done you.

Kiwi in IE

Susan Salty Comb wrote: »

So you know the votes people cast in secret. Well done you.

Ah take yourself off to the grumpy forum! High voter turnout, particularly in urban areas will be a yes!

barretsimpson

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

It's going to be a YES!!!! High voter turnout particularly in urban areas. Brilliant! I wonder will Iona and friends p*ss off when they find that the nation doesn't reflect their views and doesn't want to listen to their prejudice, divisive bullsh*t?

It is a bit premature, and it seems ridiculous to say congratulations for gaining something that is a right, but....

So, any wedding dates being set? Proposals?

People are perfectly entitled to vote no if they want to, and you want them to leave their own country for doing so ?

Kiwi in IE

barretsimpson wrote: »

People are perfectly entitled to vote no if they want to, and you want them to leave their own country for doing so ?

I meant p*ss off from the public forum with their ridiculous views and campaigning for 1950 to return, not out of the country. It's looking pretty certain that tomorrow they will be told their prejudice views are not reflective of the views of the majority of Irish people.

barretsimpson

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I meant p*ss off from the public forum with their ridiculous views and campaigning for 1950 to return, not out of the country. It's looking pretty certain that tomorrow they will be told their prejudice views are not reflective of the views of the majority of Irish people.

People are entitled to vote whatever way they want and to campaign for either vote.
If you can't handle that basic principle then perhaps a free and democratic country is not for you.

Aard

It might be a bit premature to go setting dates, right? Has the government actually set a date when people will be able to marry?

retro:electro

barretsimpson wrote: »

People are entitled to vote whatever way they want and to campaign for either vote.
If you can't handle that basic principle then perhaps a free and democratic country is not for you.

But surely their constant campaigning that their arguments would call for "a better ireland" would be null and void if the vote is a yes? I think they need to back off a bit tbh. They're entitled to their opinion but their constant mouthing off at any given opportunity is quite nauseating, and if tomorrow is a high yes I think we can safely say that their views do not reflect the views of the majority. Tomorrow will be a step forward for us so it's time for them to back off.

BoJack Horseman

Aard wrote: »

It might be a bit premature to go setting dates, right? Has the government actually set a date when people will be able to marry?

When someone goes down on one knee they aren't literally setting the date.... Just asking the question & seeking the commitment.

I doubt the government will pass the relevant legislation before summer (could be wrong), but I imagine the first weddings will be before the end of the year.

Kiwi in IE

Aard wrote: »

It might be a bit premature to go setting dates, right? Has the government actually set a date when people will be able to marry?

How long is it likely to take? At home it only took 4 months from the bill passing to it being in effect.

OldMrBrennan83

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barretsimpson

anna080 wrote: »

But surely their constant campaigning that their arguments would call for "a better ireland" would be null and void if the vote is a yes? I think they need to back off a bit tbh. They're entitled to their opinion but their constant mouthing off at any given opportunity is quite nauseating, and if tomorrow is a high yes I think we can safely say that their views do not reflect the views of the majority. Tomorrow will be a step forward for us so it's time for them to back off.

Its called a referendum, both sides are allowed to have their say, before during and for as long as they want afterwards, that's called free speech and democracy, and no democracy should have a problem with that. It's mind boggling that has to be explained to liberal people.

Kiwi in IE

Patww79 wrote: »

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So if someone at the next General Election say that Fine Gael can 'p*ss of with their water charges' will that be a 'disgrace to democracy'. Notice I was referring to the Iona Institute and other such groups, not your garden variety no voter. Who is being sanctimonious?

retro:electro

barretsimpson wrote: »

Its called a referendum, both sides are allowed to have their say, before during and for as long as they want afterwards, that's called free speech and democracy, and no democracy should have a problem with that. It's mind boggling that has to be explained to liberal people.

No need to be so patronising. I even said I respect their right to voice their opinion. I just think that they need to back off. I don't know anyone who supports them and they get far more attention than they're worth considering their views don't actually reflect the nation and that will be fairly evident tomorrow.

barretsimpson

anna080 wrote: »

No need to be so patronising. I even said I respect their right to voice their opinion. I just think that they need to back off. I don't know anyone who supports them and they get far more attention than they're worth considering their views don't actually reflect the nation and that will be fairly evident tomorrow.

I'm not the one demanding people in a democratic country who voted differently to me to "piss off", that's not respectful of democracy, nor is it the type of country we voted for. If that has to be explained to you, that's not my fault.

Kiwi in IE

Well my intention was a happy, feel good, celebratory thread since voter motivation and turnout is so high, indicating a yes. That didn't go to plan did it!

Guy:Incognito

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

When someone goes down on one knee they aren't literally setting the date.

Thank **** . For a sizable amount of people, like myself, its a delaying tactic.:D

More of a "this is a ring to commit to discussing the possibility in the future that discussing marriage may be on the table"

retro:electro

barretsimpson wrote: »

I'm not the one demanding people in a democratic country who voted differently to me to "piss off", that's not respectful of democracy, nor is it the type of country we voted for. If that has to be explained to you, that's not my fault.

When did I say they need to piss off? I said they need to back off, which they do. They're too forceful with their views, it's embarrassing. Can't you get your point across without being patronising? There's really no need.

barretsimpson

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Well my intention was a happy, feel good, celebratory thread since voter motivation and turnout is so high, indicating a yes. That didn't go to plan did it!

Yeah its a pity you could keep they should piss off comments out of it, and just be happy for the couples. What were you really voting for ?

retro:electro

barretsimpson wrote: »

Yeah its a pity you could keep they should piss off comments out of it, and just be happy for the couples. What were you really voting for ?

Again, who said they need to piss off? You quoted me as saying it but I didn't.. So...?

Kiwi in IE

anna080 wrote: »

When did I say they need to piss off? I said they need to back off, which they do. They're too forceful with their views, it's embarrassing. Can't you get your point across without being patronising? There's really no need.

It was me who said 'I wonder will Iona and friends (meaning M & F Matter and other such groups) p*ss off (meaning from the media, not the country) with their divisive prejudice views. Apparently that has been interpreted as me telling everyone who voted no to p*ss off out of the country and an assault upon democracy.

retro:electro

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

It was me who said 'I wonder will Iona and friends (meaning M & F Matter and other such groups) p*ss off (meaning from the media, not the country) with their divisive prejudice views. Apparently that has been interpreted as me telling everyone who voted no to p*ss off out of the country and an assault upon democracy.

And to be honest it would be a disrespect to democracy if they didn't back down. In the same way that party leaders step down after defeat, they too should respect the opinion of the majority and take a step back from the public forum. That's just my two cents, since we are talking about being "respectful to democracy" and all.

barretsimpson

anna080 wrote: »

And to be honest it would be a disrespect to democracy if they didn't back down. In the same way that politicians step down after defeat, they too should respect the opinion of the majority and take a step back from the public forum. That's just my two cents, since we are talking about being respectful to democracy and all.

Everyone has a right to the public forum, that's called democracy.
e.g. Fianna Fail lost the election, I and the majority of the electorate had different views, that does not mean they should be silenced from speaking. I don't want to live in North Korea thanks very much.

Leonard Hofstadter

I'm absolutely convinced it's a yes now, turnout apparently is the highest ever in any Irish referendum! That's absolutely incredible. Looks like the youth actually did vote for once in their lives! Amazing to see this really. I would have said something like 55-45 Yes (or lower), with such a high turnout, especially in the urban areas, I'd be amazed if it was less than 60% in favour of a Yes vote, it could even pass 65% (but we've got to be realistic, it will be incredible if it passes 60%). My facebook has been absolutely littered with people telling me they've been out to vote, and various friends saying they're voting yes and asking others to vote yes. I suppose the fact is people of my generation know someone is gay and have gay friends, so why wouldn't we want to see them get married?

In all my years being interested in politics and votes and referenda, I've never seen anything like it. The No side were an absolute disgrace with all the people they managed to insult, not just gay people but single parents and the children of single parents.

I had to lol at the 'two men can't replace a mother's love' statements, back in the 90s we were told 'hello divorce, bye bye Daddy', now 20 years later us men are redundant when it comes to parenting!

Anyway, I really look forward to tomorrow, and I hope my prediction of a yes vote is right!

retro:electro

barretsimpson wrote: »

Everyone has a right to the public forum, that's called democracy.
e.g. Fianna Fail lost the election, I and the majority of the electorate had different views, that does not mean they should be silenced from speaking. I don't want to live in North Korea thanks very much.

But don't you think it's disrespecful to democracy for them to keep spouting their nonsense if it's obviously not reflective of what the majority of the public have expressed?

barretsimpson

anna080 wrote: »

But don't you think it's disrespecful to democracy for them to keep spouting their nonsense if it's obviously not reflective of what the majority of the public have expressed?

No I don't want to live in any country where an opposing view is silenced. That's not what I voted for today, is that what you thought you were voting for ?

lottpaul

Aard wrote: »

It might be a bit premature to go setting dates, right? Has the government actually set a date when people will be able to marry?

None set yet but hopefully all will be done before the next General Election - i.e. prob Spring 2016.

Kiwi in IE

captainspeed wrote: »

I'm absolutely convinced it's a yes now, turnout apparently is the highest ever in any Irish referendum! That's absolutely incredible. Looks like the youth actually did vote for once in their lives! Amazing to see this really. I would have said something like 55-45 Yes (or lower), with such a high turnout, especially in the urban areas, I'd be amazed if it was less than 60% in favour of a Yes vote, it could even pass 65% (but we've got to be realistic, it will be incredible if it passes 60%). My facebook has been absolutely littered with people telling me they've been out to vote, and various friends saying they're voting yes and asking others to vote yes. I suppose the fact is people of my generation know someone is gay and have gay friends, so why wouldn't we want to see them get married?

In all my years being interested in politics and votes and referenda, I've never seen anything like it. The No side were an absolute disgrace with all the people they managed to insult, not just gay people but single parents and the children of single parents.

I had to lol at the 'two men can't replace a mother's love' statements, back in the 90s we were told 'hello divorce, bye bye Daddy', now 20 years later us men are redundant when it comes to parenting!

Anyway, I really look forward to tomorrow, and I hope my prediction of a yes vote is right!

The turnout is fantastic news! I have never felt so excited about the result of any vote. I think this is a really big moment in history for Ireland.

retro:electro

barretsimpson wrote: »

No I don't want to live in any country where an opposing view is silenced. That's not what I voted for today, is that what you thought you were voting for ?

Nobody is saying they need to be silenced, you need to stop being so dramatic. And no I voted for equality to marriage. Methinks you're actually not as "respectful to democracy" as you seem to think you are.

barretsimpson

anna080 wrote: »

Nobody is saying they need to be silenced, you need to stop being so dramatic. And no I voted for equality to marriage. Methinks you're actually not as "respectful to democracy" as you seem to think you are.

Then maybe you should keep it about marriage then . . .

Leonard Hofstadter

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

The turnout is fantastic news! I have never felt so excited about the result of any vote. I think this is a really big moment in history for Ireland.

Neither have I. It will be, to quote Enda Kenny, "the making of us as a nation". I'm living in England and it's been in the news over here the past few days (and they never cover anything about Ireland).

It's really amazing to see how much things have changed in such a short period of time, 22 years ago homosexual acts were a criminal offence, now we're on the cusp of being to paraphrase An Taoiseach 'the best small country in the world to be a gay person'!

Aard

lottpaul wrote: »

None set yet but hopefully all will be done before the next General Election - i.e. prob Spring 2016.

Great stuff. So there still needs to be another piece of legislation before marriage may be contracted by two persons without distinction as to their sex, right?

retro:electro

barretsimpson wrote: »

Then maybe you should keep it about marriage then . . .

Whatever that's meant to mean.

Anyway goodnight all, hopefully we will be celebrating tomorrow!

barretsimpson

anna080 wrote: »

Whatever that's meant to mean.

Marriage is for everyone regardless of circumstance.
Surely you knew what you were voting for ?

retro:electro

barretsimpson wrote: »

Marriage is for everyone regardless of circumstance.
Surely you knew what you were voting for ?

That would be why I voted yes

Kiwi in IE

barretsimpson wrote: »

Yeah its a pity you could keep they should piss off comments out of it, and just be happy for the couples. What were you really voting for ?

I voted for the type of society I want to live in, and the type of society that I want my children to grow up in, a society where equality, freedom and human rights are the building blocks.

Why are you making some sort of negative implication with that question?

lottpaul

"The Referendum Returning Officer will draw up a provisional referendum certificate from the constituency results. The provisional referendum certificate is published"....

http://www.referendum.ie/referendum_result.php

If no appeal is made then the President signs an enforcement Bill and the amendment becomes law and any amending legislation needed is drawn up by the Govt.

(Fingers crossed that there is no appeal)

Kiwi in IE

captainspeed wrote: »

Neither have I. It will be, to quote Enda Kenny, "the making of us as a nation". I'm living in England and it's been in the news over here the past few days (and they never cover anything about Ireland).

It's really amazing to see how much things have changed in such a short period of time, 22 years ago homosexual acts were a criminal offence, now we're on the cusp of being to paraphrase An Taoiseach 'the best small country in the world to be a gay person'!

It has been news in NZ as well. My mum has been texting me snippets of what the papers back home have said. I will be so proud of my adopted country tomorrow!

Aard

I wonder how many signatures are needed for such a petition....

Vojera

To answer the question in your OP, Kiwi, no dates or anything , but if it passes then on Tuesday (pay day) I'm planning to get flowers sent to my partner's work asking her to marry me all over again. We're already civil partners and did the big white wedding thing, but we've discussed having another small ceremony for our "upgrade" and going for dinner with just our very close family and friends. And she's been complaining that I haven't sent her flowers in ages, so it's a good excuse.

Kiwi in IE

Vojera wrote: »

To answer the question in your OP, Kiwi, no dates or anything , but if it passes then on Tuesday (pay day) I'm planning to get flowers sent to my partner's work asking her to marry me all over again. We're already civil partners and did the big white wedding thing, but we've discussed having another small ceremony for our "upgrade" and going for dinner with just our very close family and friends. And she's been complaining that I haven't sent her flowers in ages, so it's a good excuse.

Aw that's great news! Congratulations in advance for referendum result and proposal. The chances she will say yes are high anyway, since you are already CPs

barretsimpson

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I voted for the type of society I want to live in, and the type of society that I want my children to grow up in, a society where equality, freedom and human rights are the building blocks.

Why are you making some sort of negative implication with that question?

The type of democratic equal and free society where people who have every democratic right to vote whatever way they want to, should piss off from their own country. Very nice human rights and building blocks indeed.

Kiwi in IE

barretsimpson wrote: »

The type of democratic equal and free society where people who have every democratic right to vote whatever way they want to, should piss off from their own country. Very nice human rights and building blocks indeed.

Clearly you are going to continuously misinterpret my posts to suit whatever agenda you are attempting to push. I see little point in continuing to engage in this nonsense so I am leaving it here.

Fleawuss

Patww79 wrote: »

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Utter bilge. Sanctimony is the preserve of the self appointed self righteous spokespeople for "God". A disgrace to democracy is the catholic theocracy created in this country. Hopefully tomorrow we see a heavy body blow to the lunacy that the way to create the future is to refer to the "revelation" made by "God" to middle eastern gentlemen thousands of years ago.

wonderfulname

barretsimpson wrote: »

The type of democratic equal and free society where people who have every democratic right to vote whatever way they want to, should piss off from their own country. Very nice human rights and building blocks indeed.

Take it to PM this discussion is miles off topic.

barretsimpson

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Clearly you are going to continuously misinterpret my posts to suit whatever agenda you are attempting to push. I see little point in continuing to engage in this nonsense so I am leaving it here.

You were the one that introduced it into the OP, whereas I think today's vote and tomorrow success should be kept about marriage.

Fleawuss

Evangelise this.

J_E

lottpaul wrote: »

"The Referendum Returning Officer will draw up a provisional referendum certificate from the constituency results. The provisional referendum certificate is published"....

http://www.referendum.ie/referendum_result.php

If no appeal is made then the President signs an enforcement Bill and the amendment becomes law and any amending legislation needed is drawn up by the Govt.

(Fingers crossed that there is no appeal)

Unfortunately you can bet on an appeal will be made by 'the usual folks'

Annasopra

Fleawuss wrote: »

Evangelise this.

Keep the discussion on topic

Kiwi in IE

A massive congratulations to all you guys who are directly affected by this! I am so delighted for you, and for society as a whole. This is such a fantastic day!