pre workout

tommyboy26

anyone recommend a good pre workout. current using bsn NO x plode and fancy a change.

Transform

tommyboy26 wrote: »

anyone recommend a good pre workout. current using bsn NO x plode and fancy a change.

coffee, better/change music

tommyboy26

Transform wrote: »

coffee, better/change music

dont drink coffee and dont bring my own music to the gym i find it distracts me.

the crap music played in the gym just motivates me to concentrate more on my weights

Transform

tommyboy26 wrote: »

dont drink coffee and dont bring my own music to the gym i find it distracts me.

the crap music played in the gym just motivates me to concentrate more on my weights

since when did everyone need pre workout, back in the day i just went to the gym and trained.

rif you constantly need pre workout then you might want to pick a more exciting hobby

Alf Veedersane

tommyboy26 wrote: »

the crap music played in the gym just motivates me to concentrate more on my weights

Ask them to keep playing the crap music and you're sorted.

power pants

edited for being unpleasant

Connorzee

To answer the OP's question and not berate him on why they want it...

Dorian Yates' Nox Pump (comes in a box of sachets or a tub) or Cellucor C4 i find have been good for me. Nox Pump in particular.

guile4582

I went through a phase of using preworkout stuff, but since I now workout first thing in the morning, a protein shake seems to do me and my sessions are still as intense if not more..so (and again not to berate OP also), I honestly think they are a waste of money. Proper sleep and rest should be the only pre workout you need.

I take the shake to put something in my stomach, rather than get up earlier than is necessary to eat and allow digestive time.

but to each their own.

LuckyLloyd

Am I missing out not taking a pre workout? I find I can generate a reasonable amount of intensity as is. To those who indulge - do you find it makes a massive difference?

DVDM93

I find the following intensifies my workout; a hot drink, music and pre workout.

I don't know why but my hot drink just seems to wake me up, I drink flavoured green tea. Whether or not there's any 'stimulant' in this that does this, I don't know. It certainly warms me up and I like the feeling. It's just part of my routine now and I always have it before I train.

Music. As 'Transform' mentioned, changing music makes a surprising difference. I find that after a few weeks I'd get bored of the same playlist and no longer distracted by the music and too concentrated on the workout. Sounds cheesy but sometimes I get lost in a song and the time just flies. Eminem or when the beat drops in a good dance song really gives me an extra kick. Jesus that sounds cringey af.

I've used a few pre workouts and find they help. Whether this is placebo effect I don't know, but they certainly give me a 'buzz'. I feel my whole body tingling and my focus is crazy. I find it works, gives me an extra kick. The best I've used is from the brand 'Trec Nutrition' and it's called 'S.A.W.' (Super Aggressive Workout) I used Cellucor C4 too and found I built up a tolerance tii it way too quickly, it wasn't great for me tbh.

Now look, I'm not gonna argue with anyone who says this is all placebo effect. But it works for me and I find my workouts a lot more intense, and less so without this routine.

tl;dr - I'm probably talking sh1te anyway.

MightyMandarin

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Am I missing out not taking a pre workout? I find I can generate a reasonable amount of intensity as is. To those who indulge - do you find it makes a massive difference?

I find that a pre workout when I'm feeling wrecked or just feeling bad, can turn a crappy session into a good one.

I don't see the point in buying pre workout, as pretty much the only useful ingredient I want from a pwo is caffeine; so I just use caffeine tablets and something like Mountain Dew instead.

You could always go full Kali muscle and make some hyphy mud either, which is equally effective.

JJayoo

I always take a protein shaker of coffee when gyming. Normal or decaf doesn't matter I have just developed a habit that I like while in the gym/shed, that and the 7 spoons of sugar I put in

I think the habit/routine of taking a pre workout is a huge part of it's placebo.

Also the more extreme the name the more extreme the gainz

Transform

other notable placebos - knee wraps, wrist wraps, belt, earphones etc

There comes a time when you have to just train your a$$ off and get in touch with what youre trying to achieve.

If you 'need' a pre workout to get you through a session then maybe just maybe that might be a session you should be taking easier anyway

when ever topics like this come up i always think of Mikko Salo (crossfit legend, yes you can all roll eyes now).

Go to 8.30mins in this video (qualifying workout for crossfit comp, so important workout for him) -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF97uSPBDkM

Interviewer asks are they going to cheer for him - "cheering is for ladies"

"if you need music for training then go get another hobby"

His mate just says "mental silence"

JJayoo

Thing about preworkouts is that if you did find one that actually gave you a tangible boost the only way to actually retain that boost is to restrict yourself to only use it occasionally, if you were to use it every session then your body will become tolerant to it in the same way as it does with caffeine.

Beetroot juice apparently is a proven Preworkout, something to do with the nitrates in it being converted to nitrate oxide?

power pants

Transform wrote: »

other notable placebos - knee wraps, wrist wraps, belt, earphones etc

There comes a time when you have to just train your a$$ off and get in touch with what youre trying to achieve.

If you 'need' a pre workout to get you through a session then maybe just maybe that might be a session you should be taking easier anyway

when ever topics like this come up i always think of Mikko Salo (crossfit legend, yes you can all roll eyes now).

Go to 8.30mins in this video (qualifying workout for crossfit comp, so important workout for him) -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF97uSPBDkM

Interviewer asks are they going to cheer for him - "cheering is for ladies"

"if you need music for training then go get another hobby"

His mate just says "mental silence"

Ive never used knee wraps but always thought they were beneficial if used correctly?

Likewise with a belt, I always use mine when lifting my higher end weights squatting and deadlifting

I remember seeing some guy in the gym with these metal things hanging from his wrist to clamp onto the bar when doing deadlifts. I did think wtf :eek::rolleyes:

Transform

power pants wrote: »

Ive never used knee wraps but always thought they were beneficial if used correctly?

Likewise with a belt, I always use mine when lifting my higher end weights squatting and deadlifting

I remember seeing some guy in the gym with these metal things hanging from his wrist to clamp onto the bar when doing deadlifts. I did think wtf :eek::rolleyes:

ah yes i use all of them but the point im badly making is that people can become so reliant on them that they can convince themselves they need them to take a piss.

MightyMandarin

Transform wrote: »

ah yes i use all of them but the point im badly making is that people can become so reliant on them that they can convince themselves they need them to take a piss.

I've found since I started training beltless completely that my form has improved a lot and my abs and lower back are a lot stronger.

I've heard that some competitive powerlifters train 'equipment-less' for a few months in the offseason too.

LuckyLloyd

MightyMandarin wrote: »

I've found since I started training beltless completely that my form has improved a lot and my abs and lower back are a lot stronger.

I've heard that some competitive powerlifters train 'equipment-less' for a few months in the offseason too.

My opinion on belts is that people should train beltless for their first couple of years of training but eventually you will reach a stage where your abs, etc can only do so much and a belt becomes an aid to help you maintain good form at heavy loads. I use a belt for heavier Squats and Pressing reps but don't use it for Deadlifts yet.

I do think people can get hung up on equipped versus non equipped PRs and other nonsense and beginners need to learn how to brace and breathe correctly through a full range of motion and put time in training same for a period.

Transform

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

My opinion on belts is that people should train beltless for their first couple of years of training but eventually you will reach a stage where your abs, etc can only do so much and a belt becomes an aid to help you maintain good form at heavy loads. I use a belt for heavier Squats and Pressing reps but don't use it for Deadlifts yet.

I do think people can get hung up on equipped versus non equipped PRs and other nonsense and beginners need to learn how to brace and breathe correctly through a full range of motion and put time in training same for a period.

most people that use belts havent a rashers why and how to use them for bracing.

I see this in almost every video i watch on squat and possibly the single biggest thing i have to get people to work on in the beginning

power pants

*googles bracing*

guile4582

best thing i ever did was lose the belts and the gloves..lifts have gone through the roof....

i accidentally miscounted plates the other day and set a PB because i have beat into myself how to properly approach the lift and maintained perfect form and have improved my grip, after 3 reps i was like, hmm something is different. daft punk music, or no explode didn't aid me getting that PB

power pants

Not trolling (honest) but how would your lifts go through the roof by not using a belt anymore? I understand you are naturally stronger by not using a belt compared to using a belt but surely ditching a belt would not result in an instant improvement?

as for the gloves, yeah they are pointless imo, hands and hands and chalk

DVDM93

power pants wrote: »

Not trolling (honest) but how would your lifts go through the roof by not using a belt anymore? I understand you are naturally stronger by not using a belt compared to using a belt but surely ditching a belt would not result in an instant improvement?

as for the gloves, yeah they are pointless imo, hands and hands and chalk

Whatever about belts, do power pants help with lifting? :P

power pants

decided to ditch them like the belt and go commando tbh

Alf Veedersane

power pants wrote: »

Not trolling (honest) but how would your lifts go through the roof by not using a belt anymore?

If it wasn't being used properly in the first place.

guile4582

power pants wrote: »

Not trolling (honest) but how would your lifts go through the roof by not using a belt anymore? I understand you are naturally stronger by not using a belt compared to using a belt but surely ditching a belt would not result in an instant improvement?

as for the gloves, yeah they are pointless imo, hands and hands and chalk

Sorry, it wasn't instant, but if you took a year when i lifted with all the mumbo jumbo and compared the same time period to when i ditched all the mumbo jumbo, the rate at which I increase poundage is quicker. like you say i became a better lifter and naturally stronger without das belt-enkirchen

shall i draw a graph?

power pants

I am fond of the odd graph , wouldnt say no if you did do one

guile4582

haha..i'm a pie chart man myself

DVDM93

guile4582 wrote: »

haha..i'm a pie chart man myself

Mmmmm pie.

power pants

anyone know of any hipster pie makers out there we can all hero worship and imply to others they are losing out in life if they have not tried that particular pie?

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guile4582

power pants wrote: »

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must be that no explode you're guzzling down

power pants

I recall a gym I used to train at where everyone took their pre training drinks. Train and chat for 30 mins then finish with a nice protein shake and extra strong joint of weed in the gym.

I always left there wondering if it was me that was doing it all wrong

DVDM93

power pants wrote: »

anyone know of any hipster pie makers out there we can all hero worship and imply to others they are losing out in life if they have not tried that particular pie?

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Meridian peanut butter pie is the bestest, you'd love it.

deadlybuzzman

Transform wrote: »

ah yes i use all of them but the point im badly making is that people can become so reliant on them that they can convince themselves they need them to take a piss.

In fairness I gotta use straps when I take a piss :pac:

LuckyLloyd

Transform wrote: »

most people that use belts havent a rashers why and how to use them for bracing.

I see this in almost every video i watch on squat and possibly the single biggest thing i have to get people to work on in the beginning

I obviously agree!!

Mellor

guile4582 wrote: »

Sorry, it wasn't instant, but if you took a year when i lifted with all the mumbo jumbo and compared the same time period to when i ditched all the mumbo jumbo, the rate at which I increase poundage is quicker. like you say i became a better lifter and naturally stronger without das belt-enkirchen

shall i draw a graph?

That doesn't mean the belts was bad, it means your training was bad tbh.

Most of the bells and whistles are unnessecery, at least the way you see them being used.

tonto24

Jack3d is the bizz

Transform

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If it wasn't being used properly in the first place.

exactly

the belt should only act as a means to learn to stay tight and should never be used in the way people think which is to "protect their back"

read this - http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2013/05/17/breathing-101/

i also mentioned its importance here - http://www.dominicmunnelly.ie/2014/09/the-7-year-program-to-become-world-class/

more sh1t you wont see looking for your exercise or program of the week on tnation

Alf Veedersane

Transform wrote: »

exactly

the belt should only act as a means to learn to stay tight and should never be used in the way people think which is to "protect their back"

read this - http://www.jtsstrength.com/articles/2013/05/17/breathing-101/

i also mentioned its importance here - http://www.dominicmunnelly.ie/2014/09/the-7-year-program-to-become-world-class/

more sh1t you wont see looking for your exercise or program of the week on tnation

I watched the JTS video ages ago and putting it into practice you realise the difference it makes to breathe and brace properly.

Taking a big breath and feeling the belt tight on you doesn't necessarily mean you're tight, as I learned.

power pants

bracing just means to keep yourself tight as if expecting to be punched in the guts?

Alf Veedersane

power pants wrote: »

bracing just means to keep yourself tight as if expecting to be punched in the guts?

If being punched in the guts is a possibility, then yes.

power pants

its always a possibility when im around other people

I have to brace similarly ish for classical singing and breath support, the early days did invole my teacher trying to push me over while singing
Lol

Alf Veedersane

bluewolf wrote: »

I have to brace similarly ish for classical singing and breath support, the early days did invole my teacher trying to push me over while singing
Lol

That sh*t is functional.

Transform

bluewolf wrote: »

I have to brace similarly ish for classical singing and breath support, the early days did invole my teacher trying to push me over while singing
Lol

great idea!

Transform

power pants wrote: »

bracing just means to keep yourself tight as if expecting to be punched in the guts?

No not quite the same as the expansion should be 360degrees into the low back not just the stomach

i did provide a link

kevkelly90

tommyboy26 wrote: »

anyone recommend a good pre workout. current using bsn NO x plode and fancy a change.

Nothing worse than looking for advice and getting replies from smart assed knowitall "gym pros".

I have varied my pre workouts usually sticking with one that I like until its pulled off the shelf. Then find another. The current one I like is the new jack3d (not the micro). Also I would recommend C4.

let me finish by saying this. I've been working out religiously 10 years and I learned everything by trial and error. I am not a trainer but I take care of myself and I am in good shape. I started taking pre workouts 5 years ago and usually take a break of one month every so often. I LOVE taken pre workouts. Its not that I need to but I want to. I do not particularity like going to the gym, to look at me or be my friend or family member you would not believe that to be true but trust me after 5 years of going, I got bored. But I love the results and would not have it any other way. Pre workouts get me mentally pumped and for me that serves its purpose. But yeah I posted a question like this on other forums plenty of times in the past and got the same similar answers by complete tossers.

Hope that helps

guile4582

kevkelly90 wrote: »

But yeah I posted a question like this on other forums plenty of times in the past and got the same similar answers by complete tossers.

Hope that helps

not a fair assessment really.

I agree with what you say, different strokes, different folks, but there was also a time I thought I needed a cigarette after every meal, that was 10 years ago and believe it or not I don't need a cigarette after every meal the last 10 years

People as well informed as yourself are offering their thoughts on a question regarding pre workout supplements. If anything they are trying to save a guy a buck by stating they believe you do not need a supplement (like I no longer need a smoke to complete a meal), before a workout in order to attain your goals and have a high intense workout. You think the opposite, fair enough. But there are good arguments being raised here about placebos and routine and downright marketing genius!

so when you are off it for a month, do your workouts go down in intensity? do you use something else pre workout to substitute?

Are you not able to workout without some sort of pre workout routine? Interesting to know and this can help the OP make up their mind


.....anyone got a Johnny blue?

kevkelly90

First two answers where:

"coffee, better/change music"

"since when did everyone need pre workout, back in the day i just went to the gym and trained. If you constantly need pre workout then you might want to pick a more exciting hobby"


How is that helpful? Exactly the answers I was expecting to see when I clicked on to his question.

When I go off for a month. Nothing changes physically, just my enthusiasm is not there really. As I said Its a mental state of mind. I don't particularly enjoy working out.

For a workout I DO NOT need a pre workout but I like the effect it has on me and it makes my workout more enjoyable. The reason I stop for a month or so is when I'm starting to feel no effect from it.

Transform

kevkelly90 wrote: »

First two answers where:

"coffee, better/change music"

"since when did everyone need pre workout, back in the day i just went to the gym and trained. If you constantly need pre workout then you might want to pick a more exciting hobby"


How is that helpful? Exactly the answers I was expecting to see when I clicked on to his question.

When I go off for a month. Nothing changes physically, just my enthusiasm is not there really. As I said Its a mental state of mind. I don't particularly enjoy working out.

For a workout I DO NOT need a pre workout but I like the effect it has on me and it makes my workout more enjoyable. The reason I stop for a month or so is when I'm starting to feel no effect from it.

make your point grand but suggesting i was a complete know it all was just downright hurtful

MightyMandarin

kevkelly90 wrote: »

First two answers where:

"coffee, better/change music"

"since when did everyone need pre workout, back in the day i just went to the gym and trained. If you constantly need pre workout then you might want to pick a more exciting hobby"


How is that helpful? Exactly the answers I was expecting to see when I clicked on to his question.

The answers are helpful because the folks on here don't want people to waste their money on stuff which, for the most part, is just crap that supp companies try to sell.

Coffee and music are two of the best stimulants out there, so why bother spending €30 on a pwo, when you can get these two for almost nothing.

The only decent ingredient in pre workouts is caffeine anyway, so what's the point of buying a pwo, when you can get a bag of caffeine powder and some fruit juice for a few euro and make your own pwo.

Also, Transform was right in saying that most people shouldn't need pwo's because they really don't. Lifting is only boring if you make it boring imo.