Golovkin vs Munroe Jnr, Gonzalez vs Sosa

HigginsJ

Who is showing the GGG - Monroe fight tonight?

FTA69

HigginsJ wrote: »

Who is showing the GGG - Monroe fight tonight?

Sure by the time you get up to get the bottle opener out of the kitchen the fight will be over.

yabadabado

HigginsJ wrote: »

Who is showing the GGG - Monroe fight tonight?

Boxnation have it.

HigginsJ

FTA69 wrote: »

Sure by the time you get up to get the bottle opener out of the kitchen the fight will be over.

Think Monroe will manage to keep his distance till the 6th.

Big Ears

Anyone else up watching this ?

Tremendous stuff from Gonzalez there, and confirming my believe that he's the p4p best fighter in the World at the moment. A sensational performance to blow away a quality fighter like Edgar Sosa in 2 rounds.

Big night for Chocolatito, first fight on HBO and he'll get a big push from them nowm huge support for him in the arena too !

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Golovkin vs Munroe jnr still to come. Not many picking Monroe to win, but a lot feeling he could give Golvokin a tricky night. Monroe is a slippery southpaw with a slick style, but I reckon Golovkin will be well able to cut off the ring, apply pressure and get the stoppage in 3-4 rounds.

SHOVELLER

Flyweight Chocolatito a very sharp puncher

dismantles Sosa in Round 2. Very sporting at the end after knocking him down 3 times.

Now 43-0.

Huge amount of sponsors on both fighters trunks!

efb

Watching. Love GGG.

efb

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Flyweight Chocolatito a very sharp puncher

dismantles Sosa in Round 2. Very sporting at the end after knocking him down 3 times.

Now 43-0.

Huge amount of sponsors on both fighters trunks!

Gots to pay the bills

SHOVELLER

Why the spoilers????

efb

Yeah I'm on the phone won't be doing spoilers

efb

How many rounds? Inside 5 I reckon

Big Ears

pac_man wrote: »

Does he beat Inoue?

Isn't that the million dollar question. IMO if they were to fight soon, and do it at Flyweight then Gonzalez would win. I'm sure it'd be a very competitive fight, but I don't think Inoue would be able to deal with Gonzalez backing him up and applying pressure at the moment.

But if Inoue were to improve much more, it'd be hard to pikc against him against anyone below Super-Bantamweight.

efb

Brian Vera- didn't he beat Lee?

Big Ears

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Why the spoilers????

I threw them on because the fight was so short, and many tuning in for Golovkin may have missed the fight and want to catch it later. They'd probably hear the result anyway, but just thought it was best to use them.

efb

Easy 1st for GGG some good right hands 10-9

efb

Vera was the first guy to beat Lee

Would Lee go up against GGG?

SHOVELLER

What a shot

efb

Nice!

efb

He's gone!- not quite

efb

How is he still standing???

SHOVELLER

Cant see Monroe surviving past this round. He knows the game is up.

efb

20-16

Big Ears

efb wrote: »

Brian Vera- didn't he beat Lee?

Yes, early in Andy's career and the stoppage was controversial. Lee avenged the defeat with a shutout win (including a knockdown).

Vera has some goods wins in his career, Sergio Mora (x2), Sergey Dzinzurik, Andy Lee, Sebastien Demers.

Golovkin should get this done soon.

efb

Big Ears wrote: »

Yes, early in Andy's career and the stoppage was controversial. Lee avenged the defeat with a shutout win (including a knockdown).

Vera has some goods wins in his career, Sergio Mora (x2), Sergey Dzinzurik, Andy Lee, Sebastien Demers.

Golovkin should get this done soon.

I remember that fight- Andy still making the same mistakes imho

efb

30-25 I give that to GGG

efb

Eddie Murphy wonder did he bring his post op Hooker with him???

efb

39-35 gonna give Monroe that one

SHOVELLER

Looks like GGG is biding his time here and looking for the KO. Fair balls to Monroe so far.

Big Ears

efb wrote: »

Would Lee go up against GGG?

He was all set to fight him before, but GGG's father past away and the fight was cancelled.

Sensational stuff from Monroe so far tbh, but he's still not winning.

efb

I gave him the 4th, felt GGG had more meaningful punches in r3. GGG some good punches r5

efb

49-44 GGG big punches landed there

SHOVELLER

'I'm done'

efb

Starts every round with a big one.

Too late getting up think ref was right he didn't look at the races

efb

I don't think GGG would land much on PBF Floyd too cute and quick

Strongbow10

Jesus the fans are going crazy for Golovkin here

Hes gas in the interviews, his English is funny too hes either extremely polite or very cheeky its hard to make out!

"big drama show"

"Max, no need to hurry", when Kellerman is wrapping up

LEGEND

Big Ears

efb wrote: »

Starts every round with a big one.

Too late getting up think ref was right he didn't look at the races

He intentionally tried to get up just after the count. Jack Reiss told him he just made the count (he didn't imo), as it was a good fight and probably didn't want a controversial count out. He asked him did he want to continue and Monroe shook his head.

Some will question Monroe's heart after this, but he put up a great show for 5 and a bit rounds, and had been shaken up a lot and still tried to box and fight. He likely just knew the game was up and how unlikely victory would be from fighting on.

efb

Big Ears wrote: »

He intentionally tried to get up just after the count. Jack Reiss told him he just made the count (he didn't imo), as it was a good fight and probably didn't want a controversial count out. He asked him did he want to continue and Monroe shook his head.

Some will question Monroe's heart after this, but he put up a great show for 5 and a bit rounds, and had been shaken up a lot and still tried to box and fight. He likely just knew the game was up and how unlikely victory would be from fighting on.

Fcuk me he deserves big credit for getting past R2

efb

pac_man wrote: »

GGG would destroy Mayweather.

We'll never know I reckon

Strongbow10

pac_man wrote: »

GGG would destroy Mayweather.

Unfair to expect Mayweather to take on that fight, it would be crazy to move up to middleweight.

Love to see GGG move up to super middle.

GGG v Froch would be a fight for the fans, then let him take on Andre Ward.

Froch wouldn't go for it though.

efb

@HBOboxing: WATCH: @GGGBoxing says he is ready for @RealMiguelCotto or @Canelo #GolovkinMonroe http://t.co/ngJ40JHu0i

efb

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Unfair to expect Mayweather to take on that fight, it would be crazy to move up to middleweight.

Love to see GGG move up to super middle.

GGG v Froch would be a fight for the fans, then let him take on Andre Ward.

Froch wouldn't go for it though.

Apparently GGG's team offered light middle - uncle said no way

SHOVELLER

They used subtitles for a pre fight interview with Golovkin! Clean, media friendly fighter who is a knock out artist means popularity here.

HBO finish up their programme an hour early.

efb

SHOVELLER wrote: »

They used subtitles for a pre fight interview with Golovkin! Clean, media friendly fighter who is a knock out artist means popularity here.

HBO finish up their programme an hour early.

He even gives the other guy a few free rounds to make it interesting - can see him being a huge fans fave

Alpha_zero

It's worth noting that in the post fight interview when asked about the Ward fight, GGG stated that would happen down the line, much the same as Canelo's official line on fighting GGG.

Cotto is too small for 160 and should not fight GGG, both his Middleweight fights have had catch weights. Let's face it 160 is a pretty mediocre division which has added to the hype of GGG plus HBO are really doing their part too. 160 has a lot of evenly matched but pretty average level fighters evident in the frequent changing of the belt holders.

GGG needs to move to 168 and then we will see what he is made of.

Alpha_zero

pac_man wrote: »

Would it be unfair for GGG to move up to 168? He's not exactly the biggest middleweight himself, considering he's been quoted as saying that he could make 154 for a fight with Mayweather.

Absolutely not 168 is where we will see what GGG is really made of, as 160 is a pretty mediocre division and if Canelo wants to stay in his division of 155 for a year or two then he will have no choice.

Saying he can make 154 and actually doing it are 2 different things. when is the last time he made 154, not since he has been fighting on HBO anyway. GGG needs to stop talking about fighting smaller guys like Cotto and Mayweather.

The Canelo fight would be good however he is avoiding GGG like GGG is avoiding Ward.

HigginsJ

Alpha_zero wrote: »

Absolutely not 168 is where we will see what GGG is really made of, as 160 is a pretty mediocre division and if Canelo wants to stay in his division of 155 for a year or two then he will have no choice.

Saying he can make 154 and actually doing it are 2 different things. when is the last time he made 154, not since he has been fighting on HBO anyway. GGG needs to stop talking about fighting smaller guys like Cotto and Mayweather.

The Canelo fight would be good however he is avoiding GGG like GGG is avoiding Ward.

Tbf I don't think you can sat anyone is avoiding Ward. He is finally getting back in the ring but the Smith fight is nothing but a tune up and it is a catch weight above SMW. There is talks that he will move up to LH and if he does there is no way the GGG fight happens.

GGG looks like he is comfortably making 160lbs, anyone know what he weighs on fight nights? I think Canelo is one of the biggest fights out there for both guys. If GGG could unify the division in the next 12 months then I think the Canelo fight would be there.

Talib Fiasco

Lawnmower Tim wrote: »

Golovkin is p4p number 1. It would be insanity for Mayweather to fight him, he would be decapitated.

Golovkin hasn't beaten anyone significant to even be in the top 5 p4p.

Talib Fiasco

Lawnmower Tim wrote: »

Martin Murray was significant, it's not just who you beat it's how you beat them.

Who's better than him?

Na p4p is more about who you beat. Martin Murray was a decent win but even at that it isn't his best win. He's still not top 5 p4p..He might be top 10 with a push though. Floyd, Roman G, Manny, Wlad, Estrada, Marquez, Bradley, Kovalev, Rigondeaux rank higher than him

Talib Fiasco

Lawnmower Tim wrote: »

Marquez and Bradley ahead of Golovkin, seriously. Marquez is washed up and Bradley struggled in several of his recent fights.

They've still beaten world class opponents on numerous occasions and thats why they're ahead of him p4p

Big Ears

Alpha_zero wrote: »

GGG needs to move to 168 and then we will see what he is made of.

Alpha_zero wrote: »

Absolutely not 168 is where we will see what GGG is really made of, as 160 is a pretty mediocre division and if Canelo wants to stay in his division of 155 for a year or two then he will have no choice.

You so sure about that ?
I mean yes the majority of names at Middleweight have been cleaned out by Golovkin and there's only a few left, but Super-Middleweight is every bit as shallow a division imo.

Let's look at the top guys:
1. Andre Ward- semi-retired, has only fought 3 times in the last 4 years, and hasn't fought in a year and a half. He's making a comeback soon, but it's only Paul Smith and the fight is made at 172 lbs, whether he's even a Super-Middleweight anymore who knows, or if he'll actually fight in the next 18 months after he beats Smith....

2.Carl Froch- Also semi-retired, had basically resigned himself to fighting Chavez jnr or retiring, and that fight never materialised. It's been almost a year since he fought and there's no fight on the horizon for him. Maybe if Degale beats Dirrell Sky could put the money up for one more fight, but I think it's likely we'll see Froch retire before the year is out.

3. Arthur Abraham- A long hard career and he's 35 now, and not looking the fighter he was. I reckon if he loses his belt we could see him retire. Fighting Stieglitz for the 27th time next.

4. George Groves- Hasn't looked great since he was knocked out by International Superstar Carl Froch in front of 80,000 people at Wembley. Still quite young, and definitely a fighter with plenty of potential, but style wise he doesn't match up too well with Golovkin imo. Fights Badou Jack next.

5. James Degale- Has looked very good of late, and could conceivably become the top man in the division in a couple of years, but faces a very tough test in Andre Dirrell in his next fight.

6. Robert Stieglitz- Looking a bit shopworn of late and has been in a lot of wars. There seemed to be a big improvement in his game 3-4 years ago, but the fights with Abraham have been very tough and he's no spring chicken either. I think if he loses to Abraham he'll likely retire.

7. Gilbert Ramirez- Decent unbeaten Mexican but is very raw, massive at the weight, and likely will have permanetly moved up to Light-Heavyweight before he gets the chance to take on the best at Super-Middleweight.

8. Andre Dirrell- Went into a semi-retirement of his own a couple of times in the last few years, but he's back fighting regularly now and will face Degale next week. His first proper fight in 5 years !

9. Badou Jack- Caused a major upset of Anthony Dirrell in his last fight. Most gave him little chance as Derek Edwards had stopped him in a round, and he only drew with Marco Antonio Periban. The younger Dirrell was highly overated imo.

10. Lost to Badou in his last fight, and needed 2 attempts to get over old man Bika.

11. Fedor Chudinov- Got the win over a badly faded Sturm in his last fight, and possesses a good chin and strong power. But he's very basic and not that big at the weight either, very green aswell.


So what we've got is a lot of guys who could retire or move up very soon, and then most of the other guys (Degale, Andre Dirrell, George Groves, Badou Jack) are matched against each other. If Degale and Groves were to win they would likely be matched against each other in the near future and kept away from a guy like Golovkin till they do.

So Golovkin moves up, and is left with maybe 2 guys to fight, and a division even shallower than Middleweight after that....., what then ?, Light-Heavyweight ?

At the moment he's got Canelo (once he's done with Cotto/Geale), Lee, Quillin, Lemiuex-N'Dam winner, Jacobs, Heiland, BJS. Quillin and Jacobs are likely fights he can't make, and he'll have to wait for Canelo, but there's still as many fights left for him there as at Super-Middleweight.
Unless he can get a fight with Ward/Froch soon he may aswell wait till the waters settle a little at 168 and we get a few guys who establish themselves as the #1/#2.

megadodge

Big Ears wrote: »

You so sure about that ?
I mean yes the majority of names at Middleweight have been cleaned out by Golovkin and there's only a few left, but Super-Middleweight is every bit as shallow a division imo.

Let's look at the top guys:
1. Andre Ward- semi-retired, has only fought 3 times in the last 4 years, and hasn't fought in a year and a half. He's making a comeback soon, but it's only Paul Smith and the fight is made at 172 lbs, whether he's even a Super-Middleweight anymore who knows, or if he'll actually fight in the next 18 months after he beats Smith....

2.Carl Froch- Also semi-retired, had basically resigned himself to fighting Chavez jnr or retiring, and that fight never materialised. It's been almost a year since he fought and there's no fight on the horizon for him. Maybe if Degale beats Dirrell Sky could put the money up for one more fight, but I think it's likely we'll see Froch retire before the year is out.

3. Arthur Abraham- A long hard career and he's 35 now, and not looking the fighter he was. I reckon if he loses his belt we could see him retire. Fighting Stieglitz for the 27th time next.

4. George Groves- Hasn't looked great since he was knocked out by International Superstar Carl Froch in front of 80,000 people at Wembley. Still quite young, and definitely a fighter with plenty of potential, but style wise he doesn't match up too well with Golovkin imo. Fights Badou Jack next.

5. James Degale- Has looked very good of late, and could conceivably become the top man in the division in a couple of years, but faces a very tough test in Andre Dirrell in his next fight.

6. Robert Stieglitz- Looking a bit shopworn of late and has been in a lot of wars. There seemed to be a big improvement in his game 3-4 years ago, but the fights with Abraham have been very tough and he's no spring chicken either. I think if he loses to Abraham he'll likely retire.

7. Gilbert Ramirez- Decent unbeaten Mexican but is very raw, massive at the weight, and likely will have permanetly moved up to Light-Heavyweight before he gets the chance to take on the best at Super-Middleweight.

8. Andre Dirrell- Went into a semi-retirement of his own a couple of times in the last few years, but he's back fighting regularly now and will face Degale next week. His first proper fight in 5 years !

9. Badou Jack- Caused a major upset of Anthony Dirrell in his last fight. Most gave him little chance as Derek Edwards had stopped him in a round, and he only drew with Marco Antonio Periban. The younger Dirrell was highly overated imo.

10. Lost to Badou in his last fight, and needed 2 attempts to get over old man Bika.

11. Fedor Chudinov- Got the win over a badly faded Sturm in his last fight, and possesses a good chin and strong power. But he's very basic and not that big at the weight either, very green aswell.


So what we've got is a lot of guys who could retire or move up very soon, and then most of the other guys (Degale, Andre Dirrell, George Groves, Badou Jack) are matched against each other. If Degale and Groves were to win they would likely be matched against each other in the near future and kept away from a guy like Golovkin till they do.

So Golovkin moves up, and is left with maybe 2 guys to fight, and a division even shallower than Middleweight after that....., what then ?, Light-Heavyweight ?

At the moment he's got Canelo (once he's done with Cotto/Geale), Lee, Quillin, Lemiuex-N'Dam winner, Jacobs, Heiland, BJS. Quillin and Jacobs are likely fights he can't make, and he'll have to wait for Canelo, but there's still as many fights left for him there as at Super-Middleweight.
Unless he can get a fight with Ward/Froch soon he may aswell wait till the waters settle a little at 168 and we get a few guys who establish themselves as the #1/#2.

As usual, Big Ears, a well thought out, detailed reply to a not-very well thought out claim.