I have a pain in my h***

bryangiggsy

Paying for triathlons

Joey Hannon €50
Athy €58
Tri an Mhi €90
Athlone Half €120
Kinsale €45
Lost Sheep €96

add club membership €50 and TI membership €60

€560 down b4 a ball is even kicked $$$$%&%*^^£^$£

Rant over

sconhome

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Paying for triathlons

Joey Hannon €50
Athy €58
Tri an Mhi €90
Athlone Half €120
Kinsale €45
Lost Sheep €96

add club membership €50 and TI membership €60

€560 down b4 a ball is even kicked $$$$%&%*^^£^$£

Rant over

Ah sure it could be worse you could be drinking it or smoking it.

Mr Tango

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Paying for triathlons

Joey Hannon €50
Athy €58
Tri an Mhi €90
Athlone Half €120
Kinsale €45
Lost Sheep €96

add club membership €50 and TI membership €60

€560 down b4 a ball is even kicked $$$$%&%*^^£^$£

Rant over

Think that is roughly what I paid for entry to Ironman Austria!!. At least that's a few more races.

RacoonQueen

Jaysus Brian, you're becoming a total moan in your old age.
Race entry, swim sessions, bike stuff, runners, gear, race entry, TI membership, club membership, coaching....if I didn't spend money on all these things I wouldn't have a totally out of date day to day wardrobe

tunney

It is about a month since his junk training thread.

bryangiggsy

Just cranky which must mean im training hard

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Just cranky which must mean im training hard

Or too much junk miles tiring you out? Pushing too hard to get your threshold pace under 4:30 per km?

shansey

Race entries have gotten a little more expensive..there used to be the odd club race you could get for €35 or there abouts.. seems to be min €50 now even for non NS.

I do think there should be a facility for refunds for illness.. within reason.. high prevalence of colds and flus in the triathlete world.

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Paying for triathlons

Joey Hannon €50
Athy €58
Tri an Mhi €90
Athlone Half €120
Kinsale €45
Lost Sheep €96

add club membership €50 and TI membership €60

€560 down b4 a ball is even kicked $$$$%&%*^^£^$£

Rant over

To be honest you, and others like you, are to blame for the ones in red.

Athy and Athlone are entirely commercial ventures, profit driven. You are paying the price that they ask for willingly. Its your fault that these races have survived. Just don't do them if the price isn't to your liking.

"But wait dave you have to do these races to get NS points"

Wes Murphy way back when proposed a cap on the costs for races that could be considered for the PL (predecessor to NS), he didn't get supported at the AGM as far as I can remember.

As much as it does not seem it TI is an organisation for the members and Age Groupers CAN change the way things are done when they affect Age Groupers. Table a motion, change things.

Bambaata

tunney wrote: »

As much as it does not seem it TI is an organisation for the members and Age Groupers CAN change the way things are done when they affect Age Groupers. Table a motion, change things.

Completely agree with this, i went to the AGM this year a bit of a sceptic but if a motion is tabled and is backed up with a good discussion with some support beforehand its very likely to get passed as its voted on at the AGM by everyone attending.

bryangiggsy

tunney wrote: »

Or too much junk miles tiring you out? Pushing too hard to get your threshold pace under 4:30 per km?

Junk miles dont make u tired. They just inflate your ego!


3 x 15 at 4.30 per km (my tempo) this morning followed by a bike race tonight.....that will make me tired

SCOL

You also forgot to price of the year membership to the gym ,upkeep of the bike, new pair of runners, gels etc


That's why I gave it up !!!! too expensive.

tunney

SCOL wrote: »

You also forgot to price of the year membership to the gym ,upkeep of the bike, new pair of runners, gels etc


That's why I gave it up !!!! too expensive.

Now that I no longer race I spent MORE money. Alcohol, junk food, etc. Plus I am fatter and less happy about myself!

Its not just all costs, there are benefits too!

bryangiggsy

tunney wrote: »

Now that I no longer race I spent MORE money. Alcohol, junk food, etc. Plus I am fatter and less happy about myself!

Its not just all costs, there are benefits too!

Could cost be the reason a lot of people move into bike racing instead ?

peter kern

i would think that up to now in the top 5 of the most profitable irish triathlons per entry , you would likely have 3 races in the top 5 that are organised by "non profit" clubs.

I am not disagreeing with your point but I would think if you go into details an for profit race would have to be approx 30-40 % more expensive than a club race to make the same profit margin per athlete. ( people in the know like BTH please correct me if thats wrong ) But vat, corporation tax , labor costs, higher race license fees , often higher fees to councils etc do add up .

tunney wrote: »

To be honest you, and others like you, are to blame for the ones in red.

Athy and Athlone are entirely commercial ventures, profit driven. You are paying the price that they ask for willingly. Its your fault that these races have survived. Just don't do them if the price isn't to your liking.

"But wait dave you have to do these races to get NS points"

Wes Murphy way back when proposed a cap on the costs for races that could be considered for the PL (predecessor to NS), he didn't get supported at the AGM as far as I can remember.

As much as it does not seem it TI is an organisation for the members and Age Groupers CAN change the way things are done when they affect Age Groupers. Table a motion, change things.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Have a Snickers Bryan:)

speedyj

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Athlone Half €120
Rant over

You did "well" there, it's now €140 plus I think 5 transaction cost.

We have a problem with transfers/refund policies generally in that they are not standardised in any way.

I want to enter Athlone, but at this price am not prepared to run the risk of being injured say 3 weeks out and having no option for either a partial refund or chance to transfer. I say this because I got burned at Lost Sheep last year when I found I had to travel with work and asked to arrange a transfer on August 7th - the request was flat out denied.

So my policy now is to wait until as late as possible to enter "expensive" races, and if I miss out well then I miss out. I'd guess it's not good for organisers either in terms of planning to have entries arriving at last minute, but if there's not a reasonable transfer/refund policy then..

sconhome

Only 2 races entered this year and Mrs AKW tackled me last night about how much it cost. It's a bit like that motto about dying and hoping your wife doesn't sell your bikes for what you told her they cost.

ray o

The Future?

Race Entry ONLY €30

Extra offerings to make you day more enjoyable;

Access to 1st swim wave (subject to availability) €10
Express Registration (at entry to transistion) €10
Personal Bog Roll in "goodie bag" €2
Portaloo Fast Pass €10
Access to exclusive swim wave waiting tent €5 (dry grass, vaseline, gas heaters)

rainbow kirby

The crazy price of races is pretty much why I'm probably only going to do around 3 tris this summer! The London Triathlon was £94.50 this year, and that's just Olympic distance... :eek:

Even the relatively small sprint I'll start my season with in July is nearly 50 quid.

rooneyjm

Duathlons and Aquathons are run at a fraction of the price, why?

Belpark Duathlon 18 euro
Trim Duathlon 21 euro I think
Pulse Aquathon 15 euro

Something doesn't add up.

sconhome

rooneyjm wrote: »

Duathlons and Aquathons are run at a fraction of the price, why?

Belpark Duathlon 18 euro
Trim Duathlon 21 euro I think
Pulse Aquathon 15 euro

Something doesn't add up.

All club events. Run as not for profit most likely by clubs.

Oryx

Im currently trying to claw back over e1400 in outlay for an IM event. Now thats kerching. Its only when youre trying to get it back you realise how insane it is. Local events are cashing in though too. Dont like it? Do cheaper events where available.

On a separate note, something I never realised is that booking accomodation with Nirvana gives automatic insurance for your entry fee. Worth knowing.

ray o

rooneyjm wrote: »

Duathlons and Aquathons are run at a fraction of the price, why?

Belpark Duathlon 18 euro
Trim Duathlon 21 euro I think
Pulse Aquathon 15 euro

Something doesn't add up.

I think Duathlons & Aquathons are by their nature cheaper to run than Triathlons. However Nenagh TC manage to put their triathlons on for €35. An awful shame the North Tipp Sprint didn't get the numbers to enable the club to go ahead with it this year. (there is one example of people not voting with their wallet). I do appreciate that there is alot of competition down that neck of the woods early in the season but it was an excellent race and a pity it wasn't supported this year.

Oryx

Duathlons pull from a larger pool of people too, so maybe it's easier to break even on events like that.

rooneyjm

AKW wrote: »

All club events. Run as not for profit most likely by clubs.

I'd like to think they would make something to put back into the kitty but it just seems a big jump from 20 to 40/45 for one extra discipline.

Yeah Nenagh was a good warm up race, did it a couple of times, great for beginners. Why did they move it from the start of May, there's a gap there for a pool based tri within striking distance of Dublin.

rooneyjm

ray o wrote: »

I think Duathlons & Aquathons are by their nature cheaper to run than Triathlons. However Nenagh TC manage to put their triathlons on for €35. An awful shame the North Tipp Sprint didn't get the numbers to enable the club to go ahead with it this year. (there is one example of people not voting with their wallet). I do appreciate that there is alot of competition down that neck of the woods early in the season but it was an excellent race and a pity it wasn't supported this year.

Didnt realise they cancelled from lack of interest they always got good numbers? If they move it back to the start of May ill go next yr.

bryangiggsy

What adds up the costs is the Finisher tech t shirt.....jacket or rucksack.
HOTW charges 65 and i heard took a hit on the rucksacks they got last year.

Am going to start an online petition to see if there is support out there for a cap to be put on the entry fee in triathlons in Ireland. If there is enough support i will present it to TI. The price of triathlons should be encouraging people into the sport not the opposite.

Sprint cost €30
Olympic €40
Half Iron €60

People dont need the bells and whistles.....tshirts,jackets....or a hot meal afterwards (particularly in sprint/olympic)
A banana and a bottle of water will do

tunney

rooneyjm wrote: »

I'd like to think they would make something to put back into the kitty but it just seems a big jump from 20 to 40/45 for one extra discipline.

Yeah Nenagh was a good warm up race, did it a couple of times, great for beginners. Why did they move it from the start of May, there's a gap there for a pool based tri within striking distance of Dublin.

You'd like to think that. Thats nice. However its completely untrue.

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

What adds up the costs is the Finisher tech t shirt.....jacket or rucksack.
HOTW charges 65 and i heard took a hit on the rucksacks they got last year.

Am going to start an online petition to see if there is support out there for a cap to be put on the entry fee in triathlons in Ireland. If there is enough support i will present it to TI. The price of triathlons should be encouraging people into the sport not the opposite.

Sprint cost €30
Olympic €40
Half Iron €60

People dont need the bells and whistles.....tshirts,jackets....or a hot meal afterwards (particularly in sprint/olympic)
A banana and a bottle of water will do

You don't want these things as you do lots of races. The bucket lister who does one season and is gone - they want all these things. They are teh target market now Bryan.

bryangiggsy

tunney wrote: »

You don't want these things as you do lots of races. The bucket lister who does one season and is gone - they want all these things. They are teh target market now Bryan.

I dont agree Dave..maybe in Athy or Athlone but in most other races the majority of folk are repeat customers not daytrippers

RacoonQueen

rooneyjm wrote: »

Duathlons and Aquathons are run at a fraction of the price, why?

Belpark Duathlon 18 euro
Trim Duathlon 21 euro I think
Pulse Aquathon 15 euro

Something doesn't add up.

I believe that these are the races that clubs DO make money on. There are less overheads for duathlons and aquathlons. Less roads to close (if any) Belpark use phoenix park and it doesn't really inconvenience anyone majorly. Also races are over quicker as they're shorter so less time for roads to be closed, less time for any guards that are needed to be out etc
Aquathlon is a swim and a run along the beach. No roads to close...couple of guards on duty and TI official and a safety boat. The rest comes from club volunteering.
Most clubs, I'd imagine are just looking to break even on a race - aquathlons/duathlons are the moneymakers (from what I've heard)

At the end of the day, the clubs need money to continue running...thats why I support club road races as a runner rather than commercial events because I know what it takes to keep an athletics club going.

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

I dont agree Dave..maybe in Athy or Athlone but in most other races the majority of folk are repeat customers not daytrippers

Would be very very good to get the membership retention figures for last few years.

tunney

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I believe that these are the races that clubs DO make money on. There are less overheads for duathlons and aquathlons. Less roads to close (if any) Belpark use phoenix park and it doesn't really inconvenience anyone majorly. Also races are over quicker as they're shorter so less time for roads to be closed, less time for any guards that are needed to be out etc
Aquathlon is a swim and a run along the beach. No roads to close...couple of guards on duty and TI official and a safety boat. The rest comes from club volunteering.
Most clubs, I'd imagine are just looking to break even on a race - aquathlons/duathlons are the moneymakers (from what I've heard)

At the end of the day, the clubs need money to continue running...thats why I support club road races as a runner rather than commercial events because I know what it takes to keep an athletics club going.

I remember when I was in Belpark and we ran the duathlons, with less numbers, the profit was savage. For a period it did all go back into the club, subsided gear, training, Christmas parties etc. I loved that old course, particularly one corner........

shansey

ive paid €30 for sprints, got a meal, good t-shirt and goody bag and paid €50 for sprints and got none of that.

Both were run by local clubs

kingQuez

I'm happy to do a race and get no shirt/medal etc. these days, but there are races that I'd hate to see change their format if a cap were introduced.

What I have noticed is that it can be hard to figure out the price of a race ahead of entering it. Some organizers websites list prices, others don't. The TI website doesn't list prices on the overview listings page until you sign in to enter a race.

Might a first step be to try and make the pricing a little more transparent, so that people can weigh up their options?

ShineyShiney

Sometimes in discussion on entry price and cost of running events I think that there is a risk factor that is ignored.

his_dudeness

tunney wrote: »

You don't want these things as you do lots of races. The bucket lister who does one season and is gone - they want all these things. They are teh target market now Bryan.

bryangiggsy wrote: »

I dont agree Dave..maybe in Athy or Athlone but in most other races the majority of folk are repeat customers not daytrippers

Every race is going to be someones first race and they're possibly/probably going to want some memento from it, whether they gone on to be a repeat customer or not. Would a two-tier gear/no gear structure work?

There is a lack of transparency regarding exactly which races are club races and which are for-profit races, which I'm sure could be easily incorporated into the TI website

peter kern

ShineyShiney wrote: »

Sometimes in discussion on entry price and cost of running events I think that there is a risk factor that is ignored.

This is one thing people forget ... There was a time when ironman was Very close to go bankrupt.
For every race that makes good money there is prob 3that just break even or lose money

Kurt_Godel

Attracta Doherty Pink'n'Gold Tri yesterday in Cavan... €30 entry for the Sprint. For that you got:

Well marshalled and clear course
Chip timing
Safety kayaks
Insurance
Water, iso drinks at finish
Free entry for under 16's (and plenty of races for them)
Fundraiser for good cause
No TI card necessary...

One of the best organised Tri's I've done, hats off the Muckno Tri for organising, especially at that price point.

gerfmurphy

can I add beautiful swim and loads of prizes
consistently a great event every year

mossym

Louh Derg Sprint was the same story, 30 euros entry, TI registered raec, good course, well marshalled, chip timing, race belt as prize in the goody bag, and one of the best post race spreads you'll see in a truly beautiful location.

Fiftyplus

Why the seemingly increasing tendency for medals in triathlons? Mine, like many I suspect, go straight in the bin - would be interesting to know what percentage of triathletes would opt for a medal or a cheaper entry fee.

68 lost souls

Fiftyplus wrote: »

Why the seemingly increasing tendency for medals in triathlons? Mine, like many I suspect, go straight in the bin - would be interesting to know what percentage of triathletes would opt for a medal or a cheaper entry fee.

Mine go no the mantelpiece.

I believe a lot of chip timing companies are offering them as part of the package to draw the cusom of the races.

rainbow kirby

Fiftyplus wrote: »

Why the seemingly increasing tendency for medals in triathlons? Mine, like many I suspect, go straight in the bin - would be interesting to know what percentage of triathletes would opt for a medal or a cheaper entry fee.

Cheaper entry fee every time tbh! I can understand people doing their first or doing it as a charity endeavour wanting one, but when you've got a drawerload of them at home from other races there's very little point.

A *GOOD* t-shirt (well cut without too many sponsor logos) is sometimes worth it though but too many race organisers seem to think that a men's size small is acceptable as the smallest size to have (it screws over most female triathletes if that is the case).

bryangiggsy

gerfmurphy wrote: »

can I add beautiful swim and loads of prizes
consistently a great event every year

Mucknow tri club seem to be leading by example.

Sprint was 30 euro and their olympc on Aug 22nd is only 40 euro.
Fair paly to them

bryangiggsy

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Mucknow tri club seem to be leading by example.

Sprint was 30 euro and their olympc on Aug 22nd is only 40 euro.
Fair paly to them

Did the Olympic race on Saturday. Suberbly organised race. Proved beyond doubt that a high quality race can be put on at an affordable price. Hat tip to Muckno Tri Club