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End of the (diesel) road... ?

  • 30-04-2015 9:14am
    #1
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭


    ....usually, what they do There, follows Here.........er, discuss ?

    Can't say I'll lose any sleep over it tbh.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11571615/Dirty-diesel-cars-could-be-banished-as-Britain-ordered-to-cut-air-pollution.html

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #2
    BreadnBuddha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭BreadnBuddha


    Didn't we just go through all of this crap recently?

    EDIT - Yeah, we did. 'Diesel's days are numbered....'

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057377433


  • #3
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    Yawn, here we go again.....


  • #4
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ....usually, what they do There, follows Here.........er, discuss ?

    Can't say I'll lose any sleep over it tbh.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11571615/Dirty-diesel-cars-could-be-banished-as-Britain-ordered-to-cut-air-pollution.html

    The whole co2 idea was green bullsh1t to start with.
    While id like to see a push with making petrol engines more efficient, I hope it doesn't result in something like1.0L turbo being the only option across the board.


  • #5
    vectra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,626 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ....usually, what they do There, follows Here..


    Not entirely correct. They have cheap tax on all cars over there. We never followed suit.


  • #6
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    mickdw wrote: »
    The whole co2 idea was green bullsh1t to start with.
    While id like to see a push with making petrol engines more efficient, I hope it doesn't result in something like1.0L turbo being the only option across the board.

    If petrol engined cars come to the fore again you can be absolutely sure that's what the Irish will buy....piddly little engines in poverty spec cars.

    By the by I seen a brand spanking new 530i Beemer yesterday but it was NI reg obviously as you can imagine the panic caused if someone ordered one through an Irish dealer.


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  • #7
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,733 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    There should either be a larger allowance for CO2 emissions from petrol cars of say 20% or else there should be a diesel emission fee of €100 per diesel car per year lobbed on to motor tax.


  • #8
    Sabre Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    Audi is doing their bit to clean up diesel.
    https://www.sciencealert.com/audi-have-successfully-made-diesel-fuel-from-air-and-water


  • #9
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Basically, as far as I see it - anyone who thought this style of initiative to reduce C02 was a good idea ( and didn't foresee the implications of encouraging a mass switchover to diesel in urban areas, the bigger picture ) has no scientific credibility.


  • #10
    James Delaney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭James Delaney


    Hi I've just accessed this board.
    Obviously this discussion is goin on a while but there is no previous pages for me to catch up on discussion.

    So the Anti diseal crew are out in force - wanting to increase the rd rax.

    GALWAYTG & SPECIAL CIR. ....

    Can u pls explain Why u are Anti Diseal - pls list ur points. Cheers.


  • #11
    househero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭househero


    James Delaney wrote: »
    Hi I've just accessed this board.
    Obviously this discussion is goin on a while but there is no previous pages for me to catch up on discussion.

    So the Anti diseal crew are out in force - wanting to increase the rd rax.

    GALWAYTG & SPECIAL CIR. ....

    Can u pls explain Why u are Anti Diseal - pls list ur points. Cheers.

    Why does the gov ignore particulates coming from diesel engines? You can clearly see the sh. Ite coming out the back of a diesel car or bus... But the gov is obsessed with c02 and not my lungs.

    Ban smoking coal outright while your at it. Smokeless peat was much cleaner burning, but that didn't suit the c02 brigade either

    #idiots


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  • #12
    visual
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭visual


    James Delaney wrote: »
    Hi I've just accessed this board.
    Obviously this discussion is goin on a while but there is no previous pages for me to catch up on discussion.

    So the Anti diseal crew are out in force - wanting to increase the rd rax.

    GALWAYTG & SPECIAL CIR. ....

    Can u pls explain Why u are Anti Diseal - pls list ur points. Cheers.

    Because they drive 1.4 or smaller 5 speed petrol
    And don't like diesel zooming past them with the puff of black smoke as it disappears in the distance.


  • #13
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    visual wrote: »
    Because they drive 1.4 or smaller 5 speed petrol
    And don't like diesel zooming past them with the puff of black smoke as it disappears in the distance.

    ??? meee-oww.

    Unless yourself and jAMeS "sticky keys" DELAney are both environmentalists who believe this reduction in CO2 was worth the increase in genuinely harmful emissions I don't see the need for the butt hurt??


  • #14
    micks_address
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,002 ✭✭✭micks_address


    i hope my diesel doesn't go away for a while... 68mpg on my daily commute..


  • #15
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    micks_address wrote: »
    i hope my diesel doesn't go away for a while... 68mpg on my daily commute..
    They're not gonna come in the dead of night, take your diesel, beat you around the place and send you to a gulag for owning one.

    The majority of people who have done their sums will not be majorly inconvenienced day to day. 68mpg sounds like you are safe even if they bring taxes back to old "cc" system rates.


  • #16
    power pants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭power pants


    why cant they just make cars run on air or water, something that doesnt pollute the earth and is cheap to run?


  • #17
    BreadnBuddha
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭BreadnBuddha


    power pants wrote: »
    why cant they just make cars run on air or water, something that doesnt pollute the earth and is cheap to run?

    Industry and governments have no interest in a fuel source that they can't profit from or tax.

    It's as black and white as that.


  • #18
    browniepoints
    Site Banned Posts: 118 ✭✭browniepoints


    BreadnBuddha wrote: »
    Industry and governments have no interest in a fuel source that they can't profit from or tax.

    It's as black and white as that.

    Trouble is they dont get so much profits and tax from fuel anymore as cars get better MPG or less liters per 100 kilometers

    So in 2018 all car sold in the EU will have in built in tracker .In theory it will call police and ambulance and fire brigade to scene of accident automatically even if the occupants are dead or unconscious.
    In reality it is so the tracker will show where you go and tax you per mile
    So even if they make the car run on ESB or water the leeches in the guvment will still get their tax.

    The best advice is buy several cars in 2017 and avoid to ever buy a new car after 2018 as its not practical to retro fit the gizmo to older cars .They will will just pay normal toad tax instead for old cars.So for older cars it will be cheaper than the pay per mile tax added onto the normal road tax.

    Jed


  • #19
    Pov06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Pov06


    browniepoints wrote: »
    Trouble is they dont get so much profits and tax from fuel anymore as cars get better MPG or less liters per 100 kilometers

    So in 2018 all car sold in the EU will have in built in tracker .In theory it will call police and ambulance and fire brigade to scene of accident automatically even if the occupants are dead or unconscious.
    In reality it is so the tracker will show where you go and tax you per mile
    So even if they make the car run on ESB or water the leeches in the guvment will still get their tax.

    The best advice is buy several cars in 2017 and avoid to ever buy a new car after 2018 as its not practical to retro fit the gizmo to older cars .They will will just pay normal toad tax instead for old cars.So for older cars it will be cheaper than the pay per mile tax added onto the normal road tax.

    Jed

    Retrofitting a tracker literally requires you to run 1 wire to the battery and 1 small wire to any point on the chassis. What makes you say it's not practical?

    Retrofitting alarms and cruise control is hard. The difficulty of retrofitting a tracker is the same as wiring a bulb.

    If the government fitted water metres then this will be a laugh.


  • #20
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,569 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Pov06 wrote: »
    Retrofitting a tracker literally requires you to run 1 wire to the battery and 1 small wire to any point on the chassis. What makes you say it's not practical?

    Retrofitting alarms and cruise control is hard. The difficulty of retrofitting a tracker is the same as wiring a bulb.

    If the government fitted water metres then this will be a laugh.

    One would logically assume that if the point is to track every journey, then the setup on new cars will be an integral part of the show and not easily disabled. Like the skyline that only gives full power if you are at a race track.

    A 1 wire retrofit could just as easily be sitting in your shed, or be fitted with a switch, which doesn't really give the same functionality.


  • #21
    noelf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭noelf


    mickdw wrote: »
    The whole co2 idea was green bullsh1t to start with.
    While id like to see a push with making petrol engines more efficient, I hope it doesn't result in something like1.0L turbo being the only option across the board.

    I saw recently that Ford are testing cylinder shut off .. on three cylinder engines :)


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