where did all the extra houses go since 2009

renegademaster

can someone please explain to me how we have a shortage of housing now after years of emigration and so many of our migrants leaving Ireland and returning to this home countries. We had tens of thousands of surplus homes, hundreds of thousands have left our shores, yet we're in the red as far as housing is concerned

fat_bob

renegademaster wrote: »

can someone please explain to me how we have a shortage of housing now after years of emigration and so many of our migrants leaving Ireland and returning to this home countries. We had tens of thousands of surplus homes, hundreds of thousands have left our shores, yet we're in the red as far as housing is concerned

all the surplus houses are in places like roscommon

Miall108

The Ground just swallowed them up

dxhound2005

renegademaster wrote: »

can someone please explain to me how we have a shortage of housing now after years of emigration and so many of our migrants leaving Ireland and returning to this home countries. We had tens of thousands of surplus homes, hundreds of thousands have left our shores, yet we're in the red as far as housing is concerned

There is no shortage. When prices were going down nobody was buying. They were waiting for prices to down further. There was no talk of any housing shortage during those years.

When prices started rising suddenly there was a surge of buyers wanting to buy before prices rose further. In Dublin that has led to a temporary shortage but it's no different to London or New York or Tokyo or other cities. Talk of a housing crisis is just media hype.

But one major factor holding the supply back is the unique approach to re-possession in Ireland. There are 30,000 houses which could be recycled into the market if the people refusing to pay their mortgages were made to leave. In the North there are 10 times as many re-possessions and a house can be seized for non-payment of property tax there.

You might want to re-examine the sources of your information about population statistics. Overall migration is a very small factor, well outweighed by the other factors which are driving up population numbers. The population increased by one million in 20 years and continued to increase even during the "Austerity" years.

kneemos

dxhound2005 wrote: »

But one major factor holding the supply back is the unique approach to re-possession in Ireland. There are 30,000 houses which could be recycled into the market if the people refusing to pay their mortgages were made to leave. In the North there are 10 times as many re-possessions and a house can be seized for non-payment of property tax there.


Those people go live on a roundabout presumably?

dxhound2005

kneemos wrote: »

dxhound2005 wrote: »

But one major factor holding the supply back is the unique approach to re-possession in Ireland. There are 30,000 houses which could be recycled into the market if the people refusing to pay their mortgages were made to leave. In the North there are 10 times as many re-possessions and a house can be seized for non-payment of property tax there.


Those people go live on a roundabout presumably?

Too dangerous.

edword

you make a good point and theres no reason a lot of these ghost estates in roscommon, longford need to be demolished and relocated to dublin where the real shortage is. it would go a long to helping the accomodation crisis we find ourselves in

tomwaterford

edword wrote: »

you make a good point and theres no reason a lot of these ghost estates in roscommon, longford need to be demolished and relocated to dublin where the real shortage is. it would go a long to helping the accomodation crisis we find ourselves in

Or else develop an economy/job creation in roscommon etc

Sir Osis of Liver.

I presumed they were so badly built they just fell down.

Ruu

They were taken in, along with the roads during bad weather.

BoJack Horseman

tomwaterford wrote: »

Or else develop an economy/job creation in roscommon etc

Roscommon has Ireland's 2nd lowest population density (after Leitrim)

Its largest town has 6,000 people.

Were I thinking of expanding, this isn't the locale that I think would have the required labour pool.

Too small, too scattered...... Bent councillors approving unnecessary houses there won't change that.

Berserker

edword wrote: »

you make a good point and theres no reason a lot of these ghost estates in roscommon, longford need to be demolished and relocated to dublin where the real shortage is. it would go a long to helping the accomodation crisis we find ourselves in

We could also offer the properties in those areas to people who are on waiting lists for council houses in the areas where there is a housing shortage. I would imagine that they would be delighted to get a house.

Saipanne

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There is no shortage. When prices were going down nobody was buying. They were waiting for prices to down further. There was no talk of any housing shortage during those years.

When prices started rising suddenly there was a surge of buyers wanting to buy before prices rose further. In Dublin that has led to a temporary shortage but it's no different to London or New York or Tokyo or other cities. Talk of a housing crisis is just media hype.

But one major factor holding the supply back is the unique approach to re-possession in Ireland. There are 30,000 houses which could be recycled into the market if the people refusing to pay their mortgages were made to leave. In the North there are 10 times as many re-possessions and a house can be seized for non-payment of property tax there.

You might want to re-examine the sources of your information about population statistics. Overall migration is a very small factor, well outweighed by the other factors which are driving up population numbers. The population increased by one million in 20 years and continued to increase even during the "Austerity" years.

You can prove anything with "facts"

littlemisshobo

the ghost estates got exorcised it seems

C.K Dexter Haven

Location, Location, Location.