Dublin to Bangkok nonstop

shadowcomplex

I heard somewhere last year that this was in the pipeline, is it true?

man98

Nothing yet. I wouldn't expect Norwegian to put their money where their mouth is anyway.

Tenger

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I heard somewhere last year that this was in the pipeline, is it true?

As above this was rumoured to be happening when news that Norwegian Longhaul were registering their company here surfaced.

No current plans for any operate to commence DUB-BKK.

anto9

No great advantage .Ethead do Dublin Abudabi and on to Bangkok ,with just a 2 hour stop over .Its great to get out and stretch your legs ,at roughly the half way stage .

galwayjohn89

anto9 wrote: »

No great advantage .Ethead do Dublin Abudabi and on to Bangkok ,with just a 2 hour stop over .Its great to get out and stretch your legs ,at roughly the half way stage .

Etihad is 16 hours compared to roughly 12.5 direct. I know you can do 14.5 through Amsterdam to Bangkok but I'd pay an extra €100 or so to go direct.

shadowcomplex

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I heard somewhere last year that this was in the pipeline, is it true?

Maybe after they add the extra 500ft or so to the runway

Stinicker

Dublin to Doha would be much more likely than Dublin to Bangkok, I'd even wager a Dublin to Beijing service would be more likely to start than Dublin to Bangkok.

anto9

^As i said Ethiad already fly Dublin direct to Abu dhabi ,and Doha is just 580 km by road from there.
I would not hold my breath for a Dub ,Bkk service ,as i just dont see the numbers .Maybe it could be feasable for one flight a week though.

L1011

Stinicker wrote: »

Dublin to Doha would be much more likely than Dublin to Bangkok, I'd even wager a Dublin to Beijing service would be more likely to start than Dublin to Bangkok.

DY have suggested they'll do DUB-BKK to "prove" they're Irish if required. This would be under their new International division so so D8 not DY.

However, nobody is committed to DUB-PEK

Zonda999

I'd be surprised if this would happen. there are so many one stop options to BKK ex DUB. Whats more, the BKK direct market appears to have been eaten up by the ME3 to an extent. Take BA for example, now down to just a single daily 772 on this route ex LHR (I know this well, taking this flight to BKK in June! )

Ed_Stephens

anto9 wrote: »

No great advantage .Ethead do Dublin Abudabi and on to Bangkok ,with just a 2 hour stop over .Its great to get out and stretch your legs ,at roughly the half way stage .

+1 I know it's longer but it doesn't seem like it is. That halfway stretch really does me a lot of good. The only problem is if you get delayed at Abu Dhabi which seems to happen a bit with all the renovations going on there.

squonk

Walk through a door sideways. That should do it! Confucious say man who walk through door sideways almost certainly going to Bangkok!

Rawr

L1011 wrote: »

DY have suggested they'll do DUB-BKK to "prove" they're Irish if required. This would be under their new International division so so D8 not DY.

However, nobody is committed to DUB-PEK

The press here in Norway whipped up a little storm when they noticed that the Norwegian 787s had IE regs and that Norwegian International was essentially an Irish airline (and thus not subject to far stricter Norwegian labor laws). Operations-wise, Norwegian International appear to be no different to the regular Norwegian airline and use DY on their flight numbers (some kind of code-share i guess?)

Would be interesting to see if they would do DUB-BKK. I would guess their reasoning for choosing BKK would be that much of Norwegian International's crews are apparently based at BKK, and maybe mostly are staffed with people from there.

On a selfish note, if this were to happen, I'd love to see it as part of a BKK-OSL-DUB-BKK rotation. Then maybe I could take a 787 to travel between OSL and DUB (Probably never happen, but would be nice)

Panda_Turtle

Would be a great option to save some time for those heading to Thailand on holiday, but then again a few extra hours is not too bad. I'm sure if its commercially viable an airline would do it.

geecee

Stinicker wrote: »

Dublin to Doha would be much more likely than Dublin to Bangkok, I'd even wager a Dublin to Beijing service would be more likely to start than Dublin to Bangkok.

I fly DUB-BKK 3-4 times a year - usually KLM these days as its the shortest (and cheapest)

But over the years i have also flown BA, AF, SAS, Qatar, Etihad, Lufthansa, EVA (Via AMS and LHR), China (Via AMS and Rome) etc

On every flight without fail there are at least 20-30 Irish people (identifiable by their accents, and "the loop" shopping bags)

When you think of the number of flights between Europe and Bkk daily - i estimate that there are easily 500 Irish people a day flying to Bkk (of course some are transitting to OZ/NZ)

So from my perspective 4 times a week Dub-BKK direct would easily be a hit...

On the other hand - i am not sure how many BC or FC seats they would sell... So maybe the aircraft would need to be single class!

Preset No.3

A little bird told me the goat is coming to Dublin next year!

Tenger

Tell that to Stevie Kavanagh in EI....he is a proponent of the view that there is a market of approx 80 people per day to Oz from Ireland.

Tenger

Preset No.3 wrote: »

A little bird told me the goat is coming to Dublin next year!

Isnt it an Onyx?

Personally I do not give this credence (too much existing capacity and competition) but it would be a welcome development.

Panda_Turtle

Tenger wrote: »

Isnt it an Onyx?

Personally I do not give this credence (too much existing capacity and competition) but it would be a welcome development.

What are you lads talking about? Goats?onyx? Relevance to flight to bangkok?!

Panda_Turtle

Tenger wrote: »

Tell that to Stevie Kavanagh in EI....he is a proponent of the view that there is a market of approx 80 people per day to Oz from Ireland.

Wouldn't it be great to see the air lingus planes doing a one stop flight to Australia and New Zealand.

geecee

Preset No.3 wrote: »

A little bird told me the goat is coming to Dublin next year!

Excuse my ignorance - but what does "the Goat" mean?

Tell that to Stevie Kavanagh in EI....he is a proponent of the view that there is a market of approx 80 people per day to Oz from Ireland

If you add those 80 to the people that are going to NZ and the backpackers, sexpats and expats from Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos - I think you are easily hitting 400 people per day

Growler!!!

The animal is called an ORYX......

LiamaDelta

Growler!!! wrote: »

The animal is called an ORYX......

They're quite tasty too!

LiamaDelta

geecee wrote: »

If you add those 80 to the people that are going to NZ and the backpackers, sexpats and expats from Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and Laos - I think you are easily hitting 400 people per day

Seems a decent number but the above are not the high revenue passengers that airlines really need to make a LH service viable. If EI got a few code share agreements in place it would definitely be a runner I think. BKK or Singapore is an ideal hub to feed into.

olive20

But Air Lingus haven't any planes that would go that far to Bangkok. They would have to stop somewhere for Petrol

geecee

There are also all the passengers that currently fly from Glasgow, Edinburgh, Manchester and Birmingham via the Middle East carriers or AMS- all to avoid transiting through Heathrow.

They should be prime candidates for EI (or the other visionary airline) to pick up

FuzzyDunlop100

geecee wrote: »

There are also all the passengers that currently fly from Glasgow, Edinburgh, Manchester and Birmingham via the Middle East carriers or AMS- all to avoid transiting through Heathrow.

They should be prime candidates for EI (or the other visionary airline) to pick up

Precisely what Ethiopian are doing for westbound passengers

I guess either Qatar put the launch back a year it was meant to be this year.

LiamaDelta

Pretty sure I saw an oryx tail at T1 in Dub this morning? Anyone any idea what it was doing there?

Growler!!!

In for painting apparently

JCX BXC

olive20 wrote: »

But Air Lingus haven't any planes that would go that far to Bangkok. They would have to stop somewhere for Petrol

AER Lingus.

Aer is the Irish for Air and Lingus is the Latin for.........something.........

Also, wouldn't like to be putting petrol into a plane.

Nibs05

LiamaDelta wrote: »

Pretty sure I saw an oryx tail at T1 in Dub this morning? Anyone any idea what it was doing there?

Seen it parked in stand 305 earlier, checked flight rader after it departed, ithad no info to where it was going

FWVT

Carnacalla wrote: »

AER Lingus.

Aer is the Irish for Air and Lingus is the Latin for.........something.........

Also, wouldn't like to be putting petrol into a plane.

Lingus is from the Irish Liongeas (fleet).

Tenger

olive20 wrote: »

But Air Lingus haven't any planes that would go that far to Bangkok. They would have to stop somewhere for Petrol

The A330's can make it to BKK and HKG. No idea of payload restrictions however.
A350's will make it further.

FWVT

Tenger wrote: »

The A330's can make it to BKK and HKG. No idea of payload restrictions however.
A350's will make it further.

On our warmest days of the year with little wind there would be severe restrictions.

JCX BXC

FWVT wrote: »

On our warmest days of the year with little wind there would be severe restrictions.

What's warm? 30c?

Tenger

Carnacalla wrote: »

What's warm? 30c?

Have you lived in Dublin....thats like 3-4 days per year!!!!!!!

JCX BXC

Tenger wrote: »

Have you lived in Dublin....thats like 3-4 days per year!!!!!!!

3-4 days per year!?! I'm moving to Dublin.

Here in Clare, we got 30c 2 days in 2013, warmest I've felt in this century.

FWVT

Carnacalla wrote: »

What's warm? 30c?

Well here are some comparisons of density altitude at various conditions we get.

Temp/dewpoint: 0/-5 °C
Pressure: 1030 hPa
Density Altitude: -2050 ft
Air density: 1.299 kg/m3

Temp/dewpoint: 25/15 °C
Pressure: 1000 hPa
Density Altitude: 2123 ft
Air density: 1.151 kg/ m3

A 4100-ft difference in density altitudes from a 14% difference in air densities, so 14% more runway is required on the warm day. Someone can tell us what the takeoff distances for say an A330-300 would be in both cases, but we see how different things are in winter and "summer" here.

FWVT

Here are the takeoff perfomance charts for ISA and ISA + 15 degrees for the A330 family with PW4000 engines.

For DUB's 2367 m TORA there is around a 15-Tonne MTOW difference between ISA (~210 T) and ISA+15 (~225 T).

Disclaimer: I may not have any idea of what I'm talking about

ISA


ISA + 15

smurfjed

Dont forget that it does get warm in Asia and you would be flying back against the prevailing winds.... What type of engines to the EI A330 have, hopefully not PW4000's as shown above.

FWVT

smurfjed wrote: »

Dont forget that it does get warm in Asia and you would be flying back against the prevailing winds.... What type of engines to the EI A330 have, hopefully not PW4000's as shown above.

Yes but for example BKK's longest runway is 4000 m so not an issue.

All the EI A330s have the CF6-80E1A4B engines, making the difference around 13 tonnes (223 vs 210).

smurfjed

But they are flat rated at ISA+15 compared to ISA+22 for RR. So you will start to lose weight during daytime operations.

FWVT

smurfjed wrote: »

But they are flat rated at ISA+15 compared to ISA+22 for RR. So you will start to lose weight during daytime operations.

As I said in my disclaimer, I may not know what I'm talking about!

olive20

Ran the scenario for A332 on average day/winds aloft including 2 alternates and the outbound to BKK is 11.40 with alternates and restrictions on 28, max payload about 170 paxs no freight inbound 180 paxs no freight. The -300 cant do it, too far. -200 can but not viable.

Maybe when the 350 is around these parts Aer Lingus might consider if you all write in!!

JCX BXC

olive20 wrote: »

Air Lingus

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The post earlier about Aer being the Irish for Air and Lingus being the Irish for fleet was not for nothing!!!

olive20

LOL Chillax

smurfjed

Olive20, can u run the plan based on historical monthly winds rather than a daily average, especially for the winter winds....

lord lucan

Carnacalla wrote: »

AER

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The post earlier about Aer being the Irish for Air and Lingus being the Irish for fleet was not for nothing!!!

Calm down Carnacalla, it's not the end of the world!

geecee

sorry for resurrecting a zombie thread... but has anyone heard any recent news on a Dublin to Bangkok direct flight?

Every time I fly to Bkk I see that the flight has 40-50 Irish people... given the amount of carriers flying out of Europe... surely there are enough Irish flying to Bkk to fill and justify a 4 flight a week direct route?

Zonda999

Personally I don't see it happening, so many one stop options as well as the fact DUB is at the wrong end of the continent. If anyone would do it I think it would be Norweigan on a B788 or somehting like that. Theres no direct route from Manchester either, which I would imagine would se similar traffic on the genral routing.

The ME3 have a massive presense in BKK, i think thats certainly taking its toll on the probablility of more non stop Europe to Thailand flights.