Bus Éireann driver - 'Your ticket is temporary, I can throw you off if I need to'

Youngblood.III

I rarely use the bus, I was using one yesterday, multi stop between to cities, I was getting out at the 2nd stop, the driver told me that I have to buy a ticket in the office.
That's OK I said, then he tells me it will only be a temporary ticket and he will "throw me off if he needs too" his words.
I never heard anything so stupid and rude, so I asked the conductor what this driver meant before I would buy a ticket, he looked shocked and never heard any driver say this, I told him the bus number and also that I am going across the road the a private company, because they will value my business and will not be rude.
F##k you B.Eireann.

Surely if I had a valid ticket, he could not make me leave the bus, was he giving priority to longer distance travelling passengers? Surely if I entered the bus with a valid ticket, before someone else I have a right to travel on it.
Anyone else experience this Behavior ?


Private operators for me from now on.

Slippin Jimmy

Sounds bizarre. Where abouts did this happen?

mickdw

So I bus driver just told you for no reason that he might throw you of the bus?

Either he mixed you up with someone who always causes trouble or you are not telling us everything.

GTE

Youngblood.III wrote: »

he tells me it will only be a temporary ticket and he will "throw me off if he needs too" his words.
...
I asked the conductor what this driver meant before I would buy a ticket, he looked shocked and never heard any driver say this.
...
F##k you B.Eireann.

Your conclusion seems extremely unreasonable considering the conductor was shocked at the drivers actions.

Youngblood.III

mickdw wrote: »

So I bus driver just told you for no reason that he might throw you of the bus?

Either he mixed you up with someone who always causes trouble or you are not telling us everything.

Ha ha, why assume either of them reasons?
OK...
1. A ticket is a ticket, never heard of a temporary ticket.
2. If I buy the ticket, I have a right to travel? Yes.
3. What right does a driver have to remove me from a bus, without good reason.

Check this out. You could get 10 grand for yourself :P:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/passenger-humiliated-by-dublin-bus-driver-awarded-10500-in-damages-31141753.html

mickdw

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Ha ha, why assume either of them reasons?
OK...
1. A ticket is a ticket, never heard of a temporary ticket.
2. If I buy the ticket, I have a right to travel? Yes.
3. What right does a driver have to remove me from a bus, without good reason.

Why assume those reasons? I cannot think of any other reason why a rational person would behave like that.

In relation to your points above. Yes, a ticket is a ticket. It allows you to travel subject to various condition laid out. The driver has the right to remove any passenger if there are reasons to do so. This takes me back to my original opinion that either he thought you were a trouble maker or there is more to the story.
Did you perhaps fail the attitude test when boarding the bus?

Youngblood.III

mickdw wrote: »

Did you perhaps fail the attitude test when boarding the bus?

Ah....you're trying to troll.

Calina

Youngblood.III wrote: »

F##k you B.Eireann.

mickdw wrote: »

Did you perhaps fail the attitude test when boarding the bus?

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Ah....you're trying to troll.

Are you sure you didn't fail the attitude test?

Personally, my past experience in life is that people who fail the attitude test are self righteous as hell.

mickdw

Not trolling.
Bus drivers are generally reasonably minded so we can be pretty sure it was something specific about you that caused the issue. I did say he may have confused you with someone who caused him trouble previously.
Your opinion of having ticket, will travel doesn't put you beyond the control of the driver, after all he is responsible for the bus and everyone on it.

Infini

Something has to be missing here. Every possibility it couldve just been the bad apple of the place (theres always one unfortunately) but nothing to say theres something missing here that we dont know about.

end of the road

Youngblood.III wrote: »

I rarely use the bus, I was using one yesterday, multi stop between to cities, I was getting out at the 2nd stop, the driver told me that I have to buy a ticket in the office.
That's OK I said, then he tells me it will only be a temporary ticket and he will "throw me off if he needs too" his words.
I never heard anything so stupid and rude, so I asked the conductor what this driver meant before I would buy a ticket, he looked shocked and never heard any driver say this, I told him the bus number and also that I am going across the road the a private company, because they will value my business and will not be rude.
F##k you B.Eireann.

Surely if I had a valid ticket, he could not make me leave the bus, was he giving priority to longer distance travelling passengers? Surely if I entered the bus with a valid ticket, before someone else I have a right to travel on it.
Anyone else experience this Behavior ?


Private operators for me from now on.

i'm sure private operators have rude drivers as well but whatever you like

AlekSmart

end of the road wrote: »

I'm sure private operators have rude drivers as well but whatever you like

Ah yes... BUT! ..they don't have Conductors !

MadDog76

mickdw wrote: »

Why assume those reasons? I cannot think of any other reason why a rational person would behave like that.

In relation to your points above. Yes, a ticket is a ticket. It allows you to travel subject to various condition laid out. The driver has the right to remove any passenger if there are reasons to do so. This takes me back to my original opinion that either he thought you were a trouble maker or there is more to the story.
Did you perhaps fail the attitude test when boarding the bus?

Maybe the driver is an irrational person .............

mickdw

MadDog76 wrote: »

Maybe the driver is an irrational person .............

Well its like this, a bus eireann driver will 99.999 percent of the time meet an acceptable standard, given he has managed to get the job in the first place, gone through interview process etc.
Any random passenger can offer no such assurance.
On that basis alone, there is a high possibility that the random passenger is not telling the entire story.
Sure a driver can go alittle nuts so that is still a possibility however on balance I still think my initial thoughts hold true.

cython

mickdw wrote: »

Well its like this, a bus eireann driver will 99.999 percent of the time meet an acceptable standard, given he has managed to get the job in the first place, gone through interview process etc.
Any random passenger can offer no such assurance.
On that basis alone, there is a high possibility that the random passenger is not telling the entire story.
Sure a driver can go alittle nuts so that is still a possibility however on balance I still think my initial thoughts hold true.

By the logic in bold, virtually nobody should ever meet anyone who is bad at their job once the job has an interview process. In reality, we all do (and at a higher rate of incidence than .001%, I might add!), indicating that people slip through these nets all the time. I'm not saying this means the OP is correct, mind, but you're making some false statements yourself.

MadDog76

mickdw wrote: »

Well its like this, a bus eireann driver will 99.999 percent of the time meet an acceptable standard, given he has managed to get the job in the first place, gone through interview process etc.
Any random passenger can offer no such assurance.
On that basis alone, there is a high possibility that the random passenger is not telling the entire story.
Sure a driver can go alittle nuts so that is still a possibility however on balance I still think my initial thoughts hold true.

Well that's ridiculous ......... there are a LOT of irrational people in the world and a lot of them have jobs despite being irrational.

Just because someone can get get a D license and do well in a job interview doesn't mean they can't be irrational at times ........... anyway I'm not saying the Bus Driver was being irrational, I'm just saying that your assumptions about this situation being the only possible reasons for the Driver behaving the way he did is ....... well ......... irrational.

mickdw

Ok. I'm completely wrong here. So let's take the alternative view.
The bus driver was being irrational. He threatened to throw the op off the bus for no reason. He is clearly a loose canon and should not be trusted to deal with people or indeed trusted with peoples lives.
The op is clearly an upstanding member of the community.

MadDog76

mickdw wrote: »

Ok. I'm completely wrong here. So let's take the alternative view.
The bus driver was being irrational. He threatened to throw the op off the bus for no reason. He is clearly a loose canon and should not be trusted to deal with people or indeed trusted with peoples lives.
The op is clearly an upstanding member of the community.

Exactly

mickdw

MadDog76 wrote: »

Exactly

I'm glad we are all in agreement.
So now that this has been solved, who is going to call bus eireann to get that maniac driver off the road.

magentis

Er.A conductor you say?On a bus between cities?

tharmor

Goto GNIB Dublin office once...you will be happy with what happened with you !!

MadDog76

mickdw wrote: »

I'm glad we are all in agreement.
So now that this has been solved, who is going to call bus eireann to get that maniac driver off the road.

The Op I would imagine

Del2005

mickdw wrote: »

In relation to your points above. Yes, a ticket is a ticket. It allows you to travel subject to various condition laid out. The driver has the right to remove any passenger if there are reasons to do so. This takes me back to my original opinion that either he thought you were a trouble maker or there is more to the story.
Did you perhaps fail the attitude test when boarding the bus?

OT....Unless the laws have changed in the last few years a bus driver can't remove a minor from a bus, everyone else can be removed.

mickdw

Del2005 wrote: »

OT....Unless the laws have changed in the last few years a bus driver can't remove a minor from a bus, everyone else can be removed.

Fair point. Doesn't apply to the op though surely.

Youngblood.III

I made a complaint to the bus conductor on this drivers behaviour, they said they would have a chat with the driver,
There are two questions here
1. When is a ticket temporary?
2. How can a bus driver remove one passenger with a valid ticket for the 2nd stop, in favour of another passenger traveling the whole route?

mickdw

Youngblood.III wrote: »

I made a complaint to the bus conductor on this drivers behaviour, they said they would have a chat with the driver,
There are two questions here
1. When is a ticket temporary?
2. How can a bus driver remove one passenger with a valid ticket for the 2nd stop, in favour of another passenger traveling the whole route?

You are assuming that he meant in favour of another passenger. That would not be the case. He can remove you I would have thought based on behaviour he believed to be a threat or nuisance to the bus or its other passengers. He may have been warning you about behaviour because he feared you were going to cause trouble on the bus.

schemingbohemia

Methinks we're not getting the full story here.

OP - where were you travelling to and where did you get off the bus? What type of ticket did you have and what was your interaction with the driver before this alleged comment of his?

poeticmakaveli

Funny you say that, I remember I was playing in the milk cup up the north with Stella Maris (Dublin side) but when we came back to Dublin I then had to get a train back home alone to the midlands, I was 14 at the time and when the conductor came around he wouldn't accept my ticket and said I was 16 (i had no ID)he made a scene and said I was getting of at the next stop if I didn't pay,so he made me take out money and pay him! I'll never forget that and it made me bitter towards them for years,and I will also never forget his face, if I ever see him again I can promise I'll make the scene this time. What boils my blood is that he was a full grown man and I was a 14 year old kid coming back on his own and he bullied me more or less into taking money out of own pocket and paying him money as a 16 year old which I was 2 years from!!
And for information I didn't look 16, I was tall enough,skinny babyfaced kid,

Del2005 wrote:

OT....Unless the laws have changed in the last few years a bus driver can't remove a minor from a bus, everyone else can be removed.

Youngblood.III

schemingbohemia wrote: »

Methinks we're not getting the full story here.

OP - where were you travelling to and where did you get off the bus? What type of ticket did you have and what was your interaction with the driver before this alleged comment of his?

OK..everyone listen and read all my comments before repeating what outers already said,

There is no "full story" I did not have any other interaction with bus driver and never have been in trouble on a bus in my life I'm in my late 30's and rarely use the bus.
It happened as I described, nothing else.

Youngblood.III

If people keep asking "we're not getting the full story here"
I'll ask the Mods to move it to conspiracy theories threads!

mickdw

But you refuse to accept my original, perfectly reasonable theory that he confused you with a previous trouble maker and as such was putting you in the picture saying that he can throw you off the bus if he sees fit.

Youngblood.III

mickdw wrote: »

But you refuse to accept my original, perfectly reasonable theory that he confused you with a previous trouble maker and as such was putting you in the picture saying that he can throw you off the bus if he sees fit.

You are theorising as you were not there, I'm giving facts as I was there, You're wrong, get over it.
In fact he mubbled something about a temporary ticket to the passenger in front of me too.
I believe the driver was going to ask me (if I traveled on this bus) to vacate my seat in favour of a person travelling further than me, if there were not enough seats.
Can a bus driver ask you to leave because of this?

SparkySpitfire

mickdw wrote: »

But you refuse to accept my original, perfectly reasonable theory that he confused you with a previous trouble maker and as such was putting you in the picture saying that he can throw you off the bus if he sees fit.

Well in that case he would do well to be sure of the person before accusing them of being somebody else.

Not to mention this being unlikely as OP would have never met this man before with his rare use of buses.

More likely he just didn't like the look of your face OP and was just having an off day.

mickdw

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Well in that case he would do well to be sure of the person before accusing them of being somebody else.

Not to mention this being unlikely as OP would have never met this man before with his rare use of buses.

More likely he just didn't like the look of your face OP and was just having an off day.

I agree and this would have been a shorter thread if the op acknowledged that the driver possibly didn't like the look of him but he is continuing to push the query of it being unfair that a driver can put him off the bus.
To be honest, it would be my opinion that he didn't like the look of his face but it was more polite for me to day he confused the op with a previous troublemaker than to say he had the appearance of a troublemaker.
We are now hearing that he spoke to person in front in a similar manner. That kinda changes the whole thing. Any other important facts missing?

Youngblood.III

mickdw wrote: »

I agree and this would have been a shorter thread if the op acknowledged that the driver possibly didn't like the look of him but he is continuing to push the query of it being unfair that a driver can put him off the bus.
To be honest, it would be my opinion that he didn't like the look of his face but it was more polite for me to day he confused the op with a previous troublemaker than to say he had the appearance of a troublemaker.
We are now hearing that he spoke to person in front in a similar manner. That kinda changes the whole thing. Any other important facts missing?

You're the one jumping to conclusions that 'I' must be in the wrong....and the bus driver is a sound fella.
Another fact is I do not have a trouble makers faces, in fact I'm quite handsome :-)

I get the feeling that you mickdw are unquestionably defending the bus driver with your marvellous theories, are you an employee or is Daddy a bus driver? Something tells me you're not telling us everything..... :-p

grouchyman

I'm curious about the conductor. What bus services have a conductor any more?

LXFlyer

grouchyman wrote: »

I'm curious about the conductor. What bus services have a conductor any more?

I think he means "inspector".

metrovick001

By any chance was this a 109 service?

Youngblood.III

grouchyman wrote: »

I'm curious about the conductor. What bus services have a conductor any more?

There was one based at the station, it was a city station. I was directed there by ticket counter person when I asked to speak to someone regarding the bus drivers comments.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Youngblood.III wrote: »

I rarely use the bus, I was using one yesterday, multi stop between to cities, I was getting out at the 2nd stop, the driver told me that I have to buy a ticket in the office.
That's OK I said, then he tells me it will only be a temporary ticket and he will "throw me off if he needs too" his words.
I never heard anything so stupid and rude, so I asked the conductor what this driver meant before I would buy a ticket, he looked shocked and never heard any driver say this, I told him the bus number and also that I am going across the road the a private company, because they will value my business and will not be rude.
F##k you B.Eireann.

Surely if I had a valid ticket, he could not make me leave the bus, was he giving priority to longer distance travelling passengers? Surely if I entered the bus with a valid ticket, before someone else I have a right to travel on it.
Anyone else experience this Behavior ?


Private operators for me from now on.

Leaving aside the incident in question my understanding of temporary ticket

There is a few of the intercity routes that only stop at certain stops on a conditional basis. IE whether they use a stop is depending on demand. IE they will use a stop if 5 or 10 people need to otherwise they will take a slightly quicker route. In this case you have a temporary ticket. Usually when this occurs there is multiple buses travelling on the same bus leaving relatively close together. Your ticket will be valid for the next service if this occurs.



Back to the incident in question, were you carrying a bag that looked like it could contain alcohol? I've noticed Bus Eireann drivers that 'go scumbag' when they think someone is going to drink on the bus.

grouchyman

Youngblood.III wrote: »

There was one based at the station, it was a city station. I was directed there by ticket counter person when I asked to speak to someone regarding the bus drivers comments.

Ah! I have you now.

ailbheg

Youngblood.III wrote: »

I believe the driver was going to ask me (if I traveled on this bus) to vacate my seat in favour of a person travelling further than me, if there were not enough seats.
Can a bus driver ask you to leave because of this?

I've seen this happen at certain times of the day in Busaras, though it was on a route that has frequent services to stops before the end point. Passengers travelling to earlier stops were asked to take the next bus (15 minutes later) to allow those travelling the full distance to make their journey as the next bus for them would be an hour later.

I'm assuming here that once the bus had left the station your ticket would no longer be considered "temporary" and you would not have to give up your seat at the next stop. While it's a pain to have to take the next bus, I can sort of see where they're coming from.

However, saying he could throw you off the bus if he needs to is probably not the best way to put it.

Youngblood.III

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Leaving aside the incident in question my understanding of temporary ticket

There is a few of the intercity routes that only stop at certain stops on a conditional basis. IE whether they use a stop is depending on demand. IE they will use a stop if 5 or 10 people need to otherwise they will take a slightly quicker route. In this case you have a temporary ticket. Usually when this occurs there is multiple buses travelling on the same bus leaving relatively close together. Your ticket will be valid for the next service if this occurs.



Back to the incident in question, were you carrying a bag that looked like it could contain alcohol? I've noticed Bus Eireann drivers that 'go scumbag' when they think someone is going to drink on the bus.

No bag with me, and yes that scenario sounds right, it was a mutli-stop route between cities, as I said in previous comments.
Can they do that? If so it sounds like a bad practice for repeat business and therefore his manner of putting that to me was very rude.
"That's a temporary ticket and I can throw you off if I need to"

Stheno

Youngblood.III wrote: »

No bag with me, and yes that scenario sounds right, it was a mutli-stop route between cities, as I said in previous comments.
Can they do that? If so it sounds like a bad practice for repeat business and therefore his manner of putting that to me was very rude.
"That's a temporary ticket and I can throw you off if I need to"

Aircoach sometimes make people without a ticket wait until they see if they have spare seats after those with tickets get on

Not dissimilar

Miaireland

ailbheg wrote: »

I've seen this happen at certain times of the day in Busaras, though it was on a route that has frequent services to stops before the end point. Passengers travelling to earlier stops were asked to take the next bus (15 minutes later) to allow those travelling the full distance to make their journey as the next bus for them would be an hour later.

I'm assuming here that once the bus had left the station your ticket would no longer be considered "temporary" and you would not have to give up your seat at the next stop. While it's a pain to have to take the next bus, I can sort of see where they're coming from.

However, saying he could throw you off the bus if he needs to is probably not the best way to put it.

The above used to be the case on the Cork to Tralee bus. I wonder is this what the driver meant.

GoldenTickets

ailbheg wrote: »

I've seen this happen at certain times of the day in Busaras, though it was on a route that has frequent services to stops before the end point. Passengers travelling to earlier stops were asked to take the next bus (15 minutes later) to allow those travelling the full distance to make their journey as the next bus for them would be an hour later.

I'm assuming here that once the bus had left the station your ticket would no longer be considered "temporary" and you would not have to give up your seat at the next stop. While it's a pain to have to take the next bus, I can sort of see where they're coming from.

However, saying he could throw you off the bus if he needs to is probably not the best way to put it.

Some sense on the thread at last.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Youngblood.III wrote: »

No bag with me, and yes that scenario sounds right, it was a mutli-stop route between cities, as I said in previous comments.
Can they do that? If so it sounds like a bad practice for repeat business and therefore his manner of putting that to me was very rude.
"That's a temporary ticket and I can throw you off if I need to"

Yes they can do that. If they put you off because of this there will be another bus in a few minutes going the same direction. If this was the case his manners were deplorable.

LXFlyer

Youngblood.III wrote: »

There was one based at the station, it was a city station. I was directed there by ticket counter person when I asked to speak to someone regarding the bus drivers comments.

That is an inspector - there are no conductors any more.

Conductors sold tickets on board a bus.

mickdw

Youngblood.III wrote: »

You're the one jumping to conclusions that 'I' must be in the wrong....and the bus driver is a sound fella.
Another fact is I do not have a trouble makers faces, in fact I'm quite handsome :-)

I get the feeling that you mickdw are unquestionably defending the bus driver with your marvellous theories, are you an employee or is Daddy a bus driver? Something tells me you're not telling us everything..... :-p

No. Not a bus driver or any relation to any bus or public service driver of any description and I have not been on a bus in a number of year. I have met a few dublin bus drivers who were not exactly full of the joys but your story just doesn't add up.

schemingbohemia

I still don't understand why the OP just doesn't state which route they were going on, it would help clear up any misunderstandings. S/he may well have encountered a driver with deplorable manners but the way in which s/he has posted has made it more difficult to understand what really happened.

For all we know once the route is clarified there may be lots of people who have had "interactions" with said driver before.