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Black Menorca

Mark Tapley wrote: »

I have read your posts with open eyes. The catholic church encouraging bigotry since time immemorial. You claim victimhood but I see you as a perpetrator.
How do you feel about actively trying to deny people equal rights? Forgive me if I am not overly concerned for your feelings.

When you enter a discussion with a comment like "Not that I think your opinion is worthy of respect", the prospects of meaningful engagement are slight to none.

Ave Sodalis

Black Menorca wrote: »

When you enter a discussion with a comment like "Not that I think your opinion is worthy of respect", the prospects of meaningful engagement are slight to none.

When you enter a discussion accusing anyone who disagrees with you in any format as being abusive, the prospects of meaningful engagement are slight to none.

Black Menorca

sup_dude wrote: »

When you enter a discussion accusing anyone who disagrees with you in any format as being abusive, the prospects of meaningful engagement are slight to none.

I couldn't agree more.

Ave Sodalis

Black Menorca wrote: »

I couldn't agree more.

Then why are you expecting a meaningful discussion?

Black Menorca

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Now that the No side seems to have lost in such a decisive manner you can't just white wash the campaign they held.

It was steeped in bigotry, lies and fear mongering. That doesn't mean all No voters are bigots, but the No camp acted like it for sure.

Maybe some No campaigners did and maybe others expressed genuinely felt fears over the unintended consequences of a Yes vote.

Either way, we have to live with the result of the vote and move on with out lives.

Being gracious in victory can only be of help to everyone going forward.

Vitriol gets us nowhere in my view.

Black Menorca

sup_dude wrote: »

Then why are you expecting a meaningful discussion?

Because in politics, there are always meaningful discussions. Especially in Ireland.

Representatives of all political parties can debate strongly and yet get along after the vote.

I see it everyday of the week in my political experiences as a very low level activist.

I just hope that can continue after this particular vote and it can happen more smoothly with a gracious and respectful reaction from both Yes and No camps.

meglome

Mark Tapley

Black Menorca wrote: »

When you enter a discussion with a comment like "Not that I think your opinion is worthy of respect", the prospects of meaningful engagement are slight to none.

So you have said. Thats convenient for you.

traprunner

Black Menorca wrote: »

Because in politics, there are always meaningful discussions. Especially in Ireland.

Representatives of all political parties can debate strongly and yet get along after the vote.

I see it everyday of the week in my political experiences as a very low level activist.

I just hope that can continue after this particular vote and it can happen more smoothly with a gracious and respectful reaction from both Yes and No camps.

Do you honestly think that the media facing No side had meaningful discussions? it's impossible to have a meaningful discussion with compulsive liars.

Hotblack Desiato

Black Menorca wrote: »

Where do all out attacks like this get us?

That's not an attack just a statement of facts, if you find facts uncomfortable that's your issue.

Black Menorca

traprunner wrote: »

Do you honestly think that the media facing No side had meaningful discussions? it's impossible to have a meaningful discussion with compulsive liars.

Its comment like this I refer to. Ungracious and disrespectful.

However I'm delighted to see good people like John Lyons, James Reilly and Mary-Lou being good winners this morning.

I never doubted it to be honest. Politicians are great people who make big sacrifices for little thanks. Good to see John, particularly, so happy. A very decent chap.

meglome

Black Menorca wrote: »

Good to see John, particularly, so happy. A very decent chap.

He's a TD in my parents constituency and he's a good guy. I've emailed him a few times and always got a helpful considered reply. I hope he doesn't suffer because labour may get it in the neck at the next election.

desertcircus

Black Menorca wrote: »

Where do all out attacks like this get us?

This barely counts as a thrown egg in terms of the artillery that deserves to be turned on the people who led the No campaign. They tried to make the referendum about adoption, despite the fact that adoption was not affected. They tried to make the referendum about surrogacy, despite the fact that surrogacy law was not affected. They kept talking about being silenced in their multiple newspaper opinion pieces and radio and TV appearances. They talked endlessly about protecting children, despite the fact that the referendum had nothing to do with it. They made nasty references to the Yes side's funding from the States despite the fact that David Quinn and John Waters has appealed to the States for funding. Those people deserve to have scorn and disgust heaped on them.

Black Menorca

meglome wrote: »

He's a TD in my parents constituency and he's a good guy. I've emailed him a few times and always got a helpful considered reply. I hope he doesn't suffer because labour may get it in the neck at the next election.

I hope this campaign will do Labour some god before the GE next year.

Guys like John and Aodhán Ó Riondan would be struggling in Dublin with the Water Charges/hard Left on constant attack mode.

The Yes campaign has put these Labour lads and lasses in a good light.

Black Menorca

desertcircus wrote: »

This barely counts as a thrown egg in terms of the artillery that deserves to be turned on the people who led the No campaign. They tried to make the referendum about adoption, despite the fact that adoption was not affected. They tried to make the referendum about surrogacy, despite the fact that surrogacy law was not affected. They kept talking about being silenced in their multiple newspaper opinion pieces and radio and TV appearances. They talked endlessly about protecting children, despite the fact that the referendum had nothing to do with it. They made nasty references to the Yes side's funding from the States despite the fact that David Quinn and John Waters has appealed to the States for funding. Those people deserve to have scorn and disgust heaped on them.

Yeah.

Each to their own.

AlphaRed

Fools, the votes are still being counted.

galljga1

AlphaRed wrote: »

Fools, the votes are still being counted.

Thanks for that, very insightful.

desertcircus

Black Menorca wrote: »

Yeah.

Each to their own.

Seriously, if you can tell me why I should regard the leaders of the No campaign with anything other than disgust, I'm all ears.

galljga1

desertcircus wrote: »

Seriously, if you can tell me why I should regard the leaders of the No campaign with anything other than disgust, I'm all ears.

Let me think.......No......Nothing......Carry On.

Black Menorca

desertcircus wrote: »

Seriously, if you can tell me why I should regard the leaders of the No campaign with anything other than disgust, I'm all ears.

Political etiquette in Ireland has always dictated that mutual respect and graciousness are shown when a campaign ends.

This has been honoured today, thankfully on both sides, apart from one or two firebrands on both sides.

Not a NSA agent

desertcircus wrote: »

Seriously, if you can tell me why I should regard the leaders of the No campaign with anything other than disgust, I'm all ears.

I sometimes pity them rather than disgust. I remember what they are trying to do then and all sympathy vanishes though.

Black Menorca

Not a NSA agent wrote: »

I sometimes pity them rather than disgust. I remember what they are trying to do then and all sympathy vanishes though.

Some of your extended family, neighbours, friends and work colleagues voted No yesterday.

Are they all part of a conspiracy against you?

tom_tarbucket

Funny.....weird.......un nerving etc watchin Gerry Adams on rte talking about it all

Not a NSA agent

Black Menorca wrote: »

Some of your extended family, neighbours, friends and work colleagues voted No yesterday.

Are they all part of a conspiracy against you?

Maybe if you read what i said and what I replied to you would see what I said rather than what you want me to say.

desertcircus wrote: »

Seriously, if you can tell me why I should regard the leaders of the No campaign with anything other than disgust, I'm all ears.

Not a NSA agent wrote: »

I sometimes pity them rather than disgust. I remember what they are trying to do then and all sympathy vanishes though.

Black Menorca

I seriously don't think any no voter is interested in your pity.

Rise above the petty hating. Embrace your victory today with good grace.

Is that too much to ask?

Hotblack Desiato

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Funny.....weird.......un nerving etc watchin Gerry Adams on rte talking about it all

It was weird seeing SF posters with 'Yes' on them for once!

Now, Gerry, what about legalising SSM in Norn Iron then??

Hotblack Desiato

AlphaRed wrote: »

Fools, the votes are still being counted.

Yeah, there are SO MANY Yes votes it's taking much longer than expected to count them :cool:

PopePalpatine

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

It was weird seeing SF posters with 'Yes' on them for once!

Now, Gerry, what about legalising SSM in Norn Iron then??

To be fair to Sinn Féin, none of them voted no. Only 4 out of 53 Unionist MLAs voted Yes.

Greenmachine

For all intensive purposes it looks like this will be a strong yes. With a turnout of about 60% only thing we could have wished for was a larger turnout. I wonder in the few constituencies where the vote was closer if they had a lower turnout than in others or if they are just fulfilling the image people have of more rural ireland.

Not a NSA agent

Greenmachine wrote: »

For all intensive purposes it looks like this will be a strong yes. With a turnout of about 60% only thing we could have wished for was a larger turnout. I wonder in the few constituencies where the vote was closer if they had a lower turnout than in others or if they are just fulfilling the image people have of more rural ireland.

http://www.rte.ie/news/results/2015/referendum/ssm/

Looking at this map the places where had a result closer to 50% had a lower turnout. There does appear to be a connection between high turnout and high yes result.