Horner Angus

High bike

Is it my imagination or if an animal is black are they automatically called Angus.Was at a mart the other day and these three black bullocks came into the ring with big buts of horns on em and the auctioneer says all Angus on the card?

limerick farmer

High bike wrote: »

Is it my imagination or if an animal is black are they automatically called Angus.Was at a mart the other day and these three black bullocks came into the ring with big buts of horns on em and the auctioneer says all Angus on the card?

since the factories started paying bonuses for angus cattle lads will call anything black anguses even jerseys

High bike

limerick farmer wrote: »

since the factories started paying bonuses for angus cattle lads will call anything black anguses even jerseys

Id say ur spot on,these 3 wouldn't have been out of place in the PHoenix Park with the. Deer

I said

If it's aa or aax on the cards what was the seller supposed to call them.what mart was it

High bike

I said wrote: »

If it's aa or aax on the cards what was the seller supposed to call them.what mart was it

up the Midlands ,u see any of them yourself?

Reggie.

High bike wrote: »

up the Midlands ,u see any of them yourself?

Gangsters

High bike

Reggie. wrote: »

Gangsters

Ah the midlands lads aren't all bad:D

Reggie.

High bike wrote: »

Ah the midlands lads aren't all bad:D

Gangsters the lot of them

Greengrass1

High bike wrote: »

Is it my imagination or if an animal is black are they automatically called Angus.Was at a mart the other day and these three black bullocks came into the ring with big buts of horns on em and the auctioneer says all Angus on the card?

I have an AA yearling here has no horns up until winter grew a pair out of no where all if a sudden.

Reggie.

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I have an AA yearling here has no horns up until winter grew a pair out of no where all if a sudden.

There's a pun in there somewhere

mf240

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I have an AA yearling here has no horns up until winter grew a pair out of no where all if a sudden.

Ive two of them . !!!Both by kya. Have six alltogher the other four didnt.

whelan2

mf240 wrote: »

Ive two of them . !!!Both by kya. Have six alltogher the other four didnt.

in fairness though they are not pb aa, i am assuming the horns are coming through from the fr side

High bike

Heard a good one today from an A.i man,he told there's murder going on at the moment over an A.I Angus bull bringing calves with horns.Makes no difference to the commercial man but I'd say the PB AA men wouldn't be too impressed

Bullocks

If the aa is crossed with a horned breed isn't there a 1 in 4 chance the off spring can have horns ? Something along those lines I think anyhow

Justjens

Had a few buts of horns when I used an Angus, but with my polled Hereford not a single animal has shown anything, so far!

I said

High bike wrote: »

up the Midlands ,u see any of them yourself?

Where in the midlands tullamore or Ballymahon

High bike

I said wrote: »

Where in the midlands tullamore or Ballymahon

i wouldn't like to say but it wasn't tullamore:D

I said

High bike wrote: »

i wouldn't like to say but it wasn't tullamore:D

Checked farmersforum there see a few aax sold there yesterday good money paid for aax and hex yesterday

blue5000

whelan2 wrote: »

in fairness though they are not pb aa, i am assuming the horns are coming through from the fr side

If a purebred angus bull is used there should be no horns in the first generation

High bike wrote: »

Heard a good one today from an A.i man,he told there's murder going on at the moment over an A.I Angus bull bringing calves with horns.Makes no difference to the commercial man but I'd say the PB AA men wouldn't be too impressed

I have had them as well from a pedigree angus bull.

Bullocks wrote: »

If the aa is crossed with a horned breed isn't there a 1 in 4 chance the off spring can have horns ? Something along those lines I think anyhow

No should all be polled if the bull is pure.

Justjens wrote: »

Had a few buts of horns when I used an Angus, but with my polled Hereford not a single animal has shown anything, so far!

I think what has happened is that angus were crossed with something else(LIM?) in Canada to give a bit more size, the herd book rules were probably not as strict over there as they are this side of the pond, the book was probably closed when the deed was done etc and those big genes with horns are still there, when they cross, probably like in KYA's pedigree horns (sh1t) happens.

tanko

Are there horns on KYA calves, if so do they all have them?

I said

Cattle are scarce them horned aax will only be hit when supplies are high again

whelan2

is kya the same bull that people where saying the calves had alot of white on them?

mf240

tanko wrote: »

Are there horns on KYA calves, if so do they all have them?

Ive only two out of around ten with horns.

But the funny thing is they were yearlings before they appeared

KatyMac

I just realised I've got a yearling with horns as well, KYA is the bull.
Cow is aax and has had 9 previous calves without as much as a butt.

stretch film

Cant understand how breeders over many years would deem a polly as the most desirable animal for breeding.
How much superior genetics were discarded in the pursuit of this minor trait. ?

stretch film

KatyMac wrote: »

I just realised I've got a yearling with horns as well, KYA is the bull.
Cow is aax and has had 9 previous calves without as much as a butt.

Have had aax wait till their yearlings here also .
With a v easy calving figure I thought KYA was a maiden heifers bull, not an option for a lady on her tenth . Are his calves good .

Base price

stretch film wrote: »

Cant understand how breeders over many years would deem a polly as the most desirable animal for breeding.
How much superior genetics were discarded in the pursuit of this minor trait. ?

It is not always about superior genetics as you call it.
What is wrong with - easy calving, hardiness, feed conversion, longevity, temperament, suitability for specific grazing conditions/winterage, mothering ability, marbling/texture/taste of meat, etc, etc :cool:

stretch film

Base price wrote: »

It is not always about superior genetics as you call it.
What is wrong with - easy calving, hardiness, feed conversion, longevity, temperament, suitability for specific grazing conditions/winterage, mothering ability, marbling/texture/taste of meat, etc, etc :cool:

Nothing . But was there easier calving, more efficient converters,longer lasting,quieter, hardier bulls cast aside because they had horns ?
Yes in the case of aa its safe to assume.
I'm a big user of aa and finished plenty once upon a time .

greysides

I imagine AA genetics were decided years ago and by the conditions of their home area.

manjou

Have had 2 different angus bulls and have had odd yearling develop buts of horns but cows are all horned. Had another breed of bull who was also polled but only on father side and not on maternal side and had alot of horned calves which developed when as calves.

Farmer Pudsey

It is a condition of the AA scheme that cattle are polled. They tend to be very strict where LM are concerned. Strictly speaking they are supposed to be bred off PB AA bulls. However some dairy farmers use 3/4 bred. I imagine if you send in AA with hornes they would not qualify for AA scheme. Some AA will develop a small flattish but on the poll and thos is acceptable however if they are a few inches long I think the stop them.

http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-Horned,-Scurred-and-Polled-Cattle

wiggy123

horns normally come off the female side--re dairy herd.. never horns-are butts.. mayb a max of 2ins... I do see!
kya not throwing calves with horns--re Pb's
another angus bull is supposedly throwing purebred stock with scurs not horns...

KatyMac

stretch film wrote: »

Have had aax wait till their yearlings here also .
With a v easy calving figure I thought KYA was a maiden heifers bull, not an option for a lady on her tenth . Are his calves good .

Yes, she has fine calves - every one of them. I used KYA because she was drifting further and further in calving date and hoped to bring her back a bit. she is one of my best mothers and I don't want to get rid of her yet.

Bellview

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

It is a condition of the AA scheme that cattle are polled. They tend to be very strict where LM are concerned. Strictly speaking they are supposed to be bred off PB AA bulls. However some dairy farmers use 3/4 bred. I imagine if you send in AA with hornes they would not qualify for AA scheme. Some AA will develop a small flattish but on the poll and thos is acceptable however if they are a few inches long I think the stop them.

http://www.wikihow.com/Identify-Horned,-Scurred-and-Polled-Cattle

Hi Pudsey yes you are correct. Where there is any doubt on the aa background the carcass is DNA tested. This rule applies to the original producer group. There is a second group and I don't know if they have same rule.

On kya given his blood line it us a little surprising that there are horns as carton roe Ernie's was a traditional bull.