do people have any sense when selling machinery

f140

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fermec-860/9023878?offset=11


just saw this. its a total disgrace. how did the machine that lets face it isn't fierce old get so crocked. almost everything is broken in it. does this seller really think he is going to sell this with these pictures of the machine stuck in mud and all green. god only knows when the engine oil was last changed.

GY A1

It's rough alright. No jack legs down digging either. Rough operator

arthur daly

Like anything if the price is right

tanko

You need to remember that there's lots of buyers on Donedeal with no sense either.

mickdw

To be fair he has advertised it as needing work.
At least the pictures show it actually working.
I'd rather those pics than ones of it sitting in a yard with a foot of grass up around the wheels.

Reggie.

f140 wrote: »

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fermec-860/9023878?offset=11


just saw this. its a total disgrace. how did the machine that lets face it isn't fierce old get so crocked. almost everything is broken in it. does this seller really think he is going to sell this with these pictures of the machine stuck in mud and all green. god only knows when the engine oil was last changed.

Dog rough. Doesn't take alot to mind a machine in farness

onyerbikepat

At least he's honest about waht he's selling. It's the old tractors with the cheap paint jobs that get to me. 'Only 4,700 hours on the clock' - RIGHT !!!!

orm0nd

it's 14 years old , & IMO not too bad at all

he said it was mechanical sound,

as said if it the price was right

Username John

We have a 135, thats the only machinery we have

Oil is changed regularly, its minded mechanically... But its looks terrible - it is a nice shade of green from being outside.
What's the alternative - build a shed to keep it inside?
I have no interest in building a shed to house it, I have better ways to spend my money to get a return on it... Nor do I have time to washing it, to stop it going a nice green colour - again, I have better ways to spend my time...

I know its good for lads to mind machines, but just cos you are one of these lads that like to have new shiney things, doesnt mean everyone should...

/rant

Reggie.

Username John wrote: »

We have a 135, thats the only machinery we have

Oil is changed regularly, its minded mechanically... But its looks terrible - it is a nice shade of green from being outside.
What's the alternative - build a shed to keep it inside?
I have no interest in building a shed to house it, I have better ways to spend my money to get a return on it... Nor do I have time to washing it, to stop it going a nice green colour - again, I have better ways to spend my time...

I know its good for lads to mind machines, but just cos you are one of these lads that like to have new shiney things, doesnt mean everyone should...

/rant

Well maybe so but I'm building a shed at the moment that should cost €2500 to €3000 max and it will house over €30000 worth of kit from the elements for at least 15 to 20 years. That adds up to roughly €150 per year to keep the kit fairly right. No that's not crazy money in my mind

White Clover

Have a nice bit of gear myself and like to keep it clean and in good order. However as said above if the price was right I wouldn't run from that. Few bits and pieces and a good wash would smarten it up rightly

farmerjj

That ad was up about a month ago, obviously over priced

whelan2

oh collects machinery for a lad who picks up things like that on dd , cleans them up and sells them on, this last while it seems to be balers that he's picking up, seems to make a fair bit at it

blue5000

The big clue is in the second left photo on bottom row:pac:

I reckon it would creak a fair bit too, nearest that ever got to a grease gun/lubrication was a burst pipe.

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

oh collects machinery for a lad who picks up things like that on dd , cleans them up and sells them on, this last while it seems to be balers that he's picking up, seems to make a fair bit at it

Round balers? I'd say that's my next port of call next year

Farmer Pudsey

I have a 2WD tractor its engins is good and I have disconnected all electrics except started and rev counter( it works). It is 30 years old I have it 12 and bought it for 4K. Service it ever year but I am not inclined to spend money on it. It is still worth about 3K at least. Broke out this year and replaced the floor:) as you had to pick your steps inside it.

Plant to fix a few led spotlights to it but that is it It has one door other has rusted off and that door is ready to fall off. Lad with digger may have made his money out of it. Would I buy it I doubt it as I see no reason to take on work however if the price was right and you had the time to tidy it up if you bought it right you be ok.

By the look of the land I expect taht he is in west cpork maybe by the sea hence the rust. A shed would not save it. On the land he is working on the legs would provide no stability as they would go two feet into ground unlerss he hit rock. Hoowever he is still rough enough

whelan2

Reggie. wrote: »

Round balers? I'd say that's my next port of call next year

mostly small square ones, any round ones he was moving where for export

rangler1

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I have a 2WD tractor its engins is good and I have disconnected all electrics except started and rev counter( it works). It is 30 years old I have it 12 and bought it for 4K. Service it ever year but I am not inclined to spend money on it. It is still worth about 3K at least. Broke out this year and replaced the floor:) as you had to pick your steps inside it.

Plant to fix a few led spotlights to it but that is it It has one door other has rusted off and that door is ready to fall off. Lad with digger may have made his money out of it. Would I buy it I doubt it as I see no reason to take on work however if the price was right and you had the time to tidy it up if you bought it right you be ok.

By the look of the land I expect taht he is in west cpork maybe by the sea hence the rust. A shed would not save it. On the land he is working on the legs would provide no stability as they would go two feet into ground unlerss he hit rock. Hoowever he is still rough enough

+1
A lot of top class farmers would have little regard for machinery, much more important to manage stock, grass, etc,
Hate machinery here, yes I service it, but washing it is one step too far.
Don't know if putting it in is much of an advantage unless like the vintage collector you use airtight container, the damp air will get to them any way

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

mostly small square ones, any round ones he was moving where for export

Yeah the square balers are coming back I think

Chemical Byrne

I think the ad is not misleading at least, he states that it needs tidying.

What is far far worse is people hyping up a machine that is thoroughly wrecked.
Example: my father advertised a combine as GWO and immaculate despite the fact that it was always stored outside, the underside was full of rust holes patched up with epoxy filler, non funtional reel speed adjustment, a banjaxed exhaust and some problem with running the thrasher without running the header which should have been possible and they're the problems I can think of.

The problems are twofold: 1. you're going after the wrong buyer, people who see the ad are looking for and expect to see a tidy machine and will be pissed off that you basically lied and wasted their time. 2.Fellas looking for a rough-fair machine and willing to put some money into it will disregard the immaculate ads as it is not what they are after.
That strategy does not work for any party involved.

Chemical Byrne

rangler1 wrote: »

+1
A lot of top class farmers would have little regard for machinery, much more important to manage stock, grass, etc,
Hate machinery here, yes I service it, but washing it is one step too far.
Don't know if putting it in is much of an advantage unless like the vintage collector you use airtight container, the damp air will get to them any way

Wonder about that some times myself. Had a newish wood chipper stored in a lean to shed for a few yrs. Paintwork was perfect and shining when it went in. When I tool it out a few weeks ago you'd swear was left out in the weather all this time. The paint was blistered and peeling all over the top of it from the dampness and condensation in the air.

tom_k

This is about a rough as I've seen in a while :eek:

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7000-dp/9162244?offset=4

Reggie.

[quote="Chemical Byrne;9511 123 I wonder about that some times myself. Had a newish wood chipper stored in a lean to shed for a few yrs. Paintwork was perfect and shining when it went in. When I tool it out a few weeks ago you'd swear was left out in the weather all this time. The paint was blistered and peeling all over the top of it from the dampness and condensation in the air.[/quote]

That was just the bad finish of the machine itself as ive seen it before. I put two machines into a shed

in the same amount of time one was rusting badly and the other one was still like new.
its all about the paint prep the machine got.

Reggie.

rangler1 wrote: »

+1
A lot of top class farmers would have little regard for machinery, much more important to manage stock, grass, etc,
Hate machinery here, yes I service it, but washing it is one step too far.
Don't know if putting it in is much of an advantage unless like the vintage collector you use airtight container, the damp air will get to them any way

Can't see how washing a machine is a step too far.

sure you wouldn't drive your car around for years and never wash it surly

ferryman35

.......a very interesting & insightful thread.....considering the fortnight that's in it....

I'd have thought that the best overall results would only require a certain minimum level of mechanisation on most farms but each to their own on that regard.....but...

is it not alarming to hear such strong sentiment against basic maintenance?

- a look around the mart carpark would indicate that these sentiments are not confined to a few posts on boards. The other sentient often expressed here is that people don't bother with machinery because they don't know much about using it - fair play to the ones who realise it but what about the those that don't?

Is it surprising that there are so many farm machinery accidents if people either don't know how to use them, don't look after them or worse, both?

I bought a machine in Germany that was 20 years old and when I brought it in my colleagues here would not believe that it was more than 2 years old. The devil (and the profit) is in the detail.

Username John

Reggie. wrote: »

Can't see how washing a machine is a step too far.

sure you wouldn't drive your car around for years and never wash it surly

Well it depends - are you going to a wedding?

If you're not going to a wedding, sure why wash it?

Username John

ferryman35 wrote: »

.......a very interesting & insightful thread.....considering the fortnight that's in it....

I'd have thought that the best overall results would only require a certain minimum level of mechanisation on most farms but each to their own on that regard.....but...

is it not alarming to hear such strong sentiment against basic maintenance?

- a look around the mart carpark would indicate that these sentiments are not confined to a few posts on boards. The other sentient often expressed here is that people don't bother with machinery because they don't know much about using it - fair play to the ones who realise it but what about the those that don't?

Is it surprising that there are so many farm machinery accidents if people either don't know how to use them, don't look after them or worse, both?

I bought a machine in Germany that was 20 years old and when I brought it in my colleagues here would not believe that it was more than 2 years old. The devil (and the profit) is in the detail.

I think people aren't against basic maintenance, in the posts that people said their machines are a bit 'rough looking' - they all stated the machines are serviced...

haha - this thread is descending into lads trying to justify their OCD for cleanliness... but sure tis next to Godliness they say...

I said

Well I find most people who have fcuk all regard for machinery have fcuk all regard for everything else.

Reggie.

Username John wrote: »

I think people aren't against basic maintenance, in the posts that people said their machines are a bit 'rough looking' - they all stated the machines are serviced...

haha - this thread is descending into lads trying to justify their OCD for cleanliness... but sure tis next to Godliness they say...

That as it may be John but when people claim to wash a machine the odd time is a waste of time or never do it at all. I have to ask where is their pride. Someone in your yard and you have a machine that's a maybe a few years old and shows signs of never been cleaned or looked after. I personnally would be too impressed as it would give me the impression that the owner W's a sloppy operator.

Simple example here. A Neighbour came into garage one time with one of the front hubs of the tractor grinding like hell. Due to the amount of dirt on the hubs and rim he never noticed the hub seal had failed and all oil was gone. Now what if he was doing 40k down a main road and it locked up and God forbid he ended up in an accident.

A simple powerwashing the odd time would have shown up the oil on the rim and saved over nearly 3k worth if damage. This is why I never understand why lads claim it's a waste of time to clean machines and never do it. From a simple safety and basic maintaince point of view this is when I spot possible problems with machines before they become an issue. If not only saving money it could simply save an injury/life in an extreme case.

patjack

I said wrote: »

Well I find most people who have fcuk all regard for machinery have fcuk all regard for everything else.

Agree, but I also know lads who wouldn't be into machinery, keep their machinery serviced, greased etc and that would be it.

As in they wouldn't be going so far as using Son of a Gun inside the cab on a regular basis

the_blue_oval

Makes working with machinery a lot less of a chore if you keep them someway clean and tidy.
No getting covered in oil and shyte when youre stuck between The back end and a fert spreader, and no rooting through and getting covered in shyte when you have to do a repair.


Wouldn't be the best for washing them myself but would do it a couple of times in the year just for the practicality of it. That hour with the powerwasher saves a lot of cursing and swearing when it comes to doing anything with machinery

eric prydz

Username John wrote: »

Well it depends - are you going to a wedding?

If you're not going to a wedding, sure why wash it?

So I take I that you don't wash yourself atall unless your going to a wedding:eek:

Username John

eric prydz wrote: »

So I take I that you don't wash yourself atall unless your going to a wedding:eek:

Ah - I wouldn't say that now...











Obviously it would depend on whose wedding it was, whether I'd wash me self or not...

whelan2

some people have time to keep their machinery nice and clean and fair play to them, we would wash everything every few months. One thing that we make sure of is that theres no crap on the floor of the tractor /digger. Neighbour got his foot caught in a baler twine while getting out of his tractor and was off work for months , in hospital for a good while too

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

some people have time to keep their machinery nice and clean and fair play to them, we would wash everything every few months. One thing that we make sure of is that theres no crap on the floor of the tractor /digger. Neighbour got his foot caught in a baler twine while getting out of his tractor and was off work for months , in hospital for a good while too

That's understandable

Base price

I am not a diesel head (except for vans) however I do expect all machinery to work as it is supposed to do. Therefore we maintain, service and occasionally power hose all machinery/tractors/50b.
However our enterprise is cattle and we prefer to exert our time maintaining them rather than inanimate machines.
Personally I would have no problems with that DD ad. The seller shows several pics of the digger and states that it needs work. We can talk about how he should have trigged/polished it up for sale but at the end of the day we don't know his circumstances.
At the end of the day it is buyer beware and if you don't like it then don't go there.

Farmer Pudsey

whelan2 wrote: »

some people have time to keep their machinery nice and clean and fair play to them, we would wash everything every few months. One thing that we make sure of is that theres no crap on the floor of the tractor /digger. Neighbour got his foot caught in a baler twine while getting out of his tractor and was off work for months , in hospital for a good while too

Not an issue with my old 2wd until I put new floor in it. Anything on floor fell through the holes in it.;)

Nekarsulm

That Fermec in the opening post doesn't look like it got much grease in its life time. I'd like to see black grease around pins and joints, especially where the excess has almost turned to rock over the years.
When you see red stains from joints, it not so good.
And how did he lose a pallet fork?

However, the pivot joints on the 4 in 1 look tight.

Miname

I'd have no issue buying a machine like that or even the ford once it was priced accordingly. A bit of a fixer upper. Nothing can't be repaired on any machine, whether it's justifiable financially is the main question. I've seen some really fancy looking machines sold that were heaps of muck mechanically. At least you know what your going to look at. Everything around my farm works, but wouldn't be fancy looking and I definitely wouldn't judge anybody by how clean their machinery is. A serious farmer I knew ran his farm with a David brown selectimatic and some very very basic implements. He spent his spare cash on himself.

Zoo4m8

I can't understand lads who moan and whinge about the price of this and the cost of that..who will fight you tooth and nail over a fiver a head on a couple of bullocks..and then go and buy an expensive piece of machinery and go and treat it like they got it for free..never serviced, left out in the weather and in a couple years blocks a gap in a ditch and off they go to buy another..wtf!
I changed the tractor three years ago, got five grand more than the going rate for the particular model , it was clean ,everything worked and was serviced on time with a service history..not saying what a great lad I am..it's just basic shaggin' finances surely..

Farmer Pudsey

Zoo4m8 wrote: »

I can't understand lads who moan and whinge about the price of this and the cost of that..who will fight you tooth and nail over a fiver a head on a couple of bullocks..and then go and buy an expensive piece of machinery and go and treat it like they got it for free..never serviced, left out in the weather and in a couple years blocks a gap in a ditch and off they go to buy another..wtf!
I changed the tractor three years ago, got five grand more than the going rate for the particular model , it was clean ,everything worked and was serviced on time with a service history..not saying what a great lad I am..it's just basic shaggin' finances surely..

I have walked out of a yard over 10 euro/head and over 20/head on cattle. It is just as much buyers as sellers issue. As other posters said on this thread most things can be fixed it the price you pay for anything that matters. If you bought that magine at 6-7K less that average market value and spend 3-4 between time and materials if engine, gears and pumps etc were ok you would have a goodish machine. Also I say few enough here ever lived near the sea with machinery.

Zoo4m8

I have walked out of yards for less again..till I got sense and got out of the cattle fifteen years ago..:)
I agree that that particular machine could mean value, I suppose my point was a more general one, for instance there wouldn't be many who would pay , say, three grand for a good bull and then let him starve in the corner of a shed..that's why I don't understand why some will pay huge money for a tractor and then treat it as worthless..
Neighbour has a fleet of Masseys, in the yard the other day and there was grass growing out of the ****e on the mudguard of a once grand three year old one! Sorry, I just don't get it..
Oh yes ,and I live beside the sea..

onyerbikepat

Over 2,000 views on the add now. I wonder if he washed it, would he have got as much interest. Them cute hoors down in Cork

Farmer Pudsey

Zoo4m8 wrote: »

I have walked out of yards for less again..till I got sense and got out of the cattle fifteen years ago..:)
I agree that that particular machine could mean value, I suppose my point was a more general one, for instance there wouldn't be many who would pay , say, three grand for a good bull and then let him starve in the corner of a shed..that's why I don't understand why some will pay huge money for a tractor and then treat it as worthless..
Neighbour has a fleet of Masseys, in the yard the other day and there was grass growing out of the ****e on the mudguard of a once grand three year old one! Sorry, I just don't get it..
Oh yes ,and I live beside the sea..

Do not bet on it.

Reggie.

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Do not bet on it.

Unfortunately so

Muckit

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Not an issue with my old 2wd until I put new floor in it. Anything on floor fell through the holes in it.;)

I'd say she's an old orange fiat? 680 or 780? The floor always went over the cab mounting.

Farmer Pudsey

Muckit wrote: »

I'd say she's an old orange fiat? 680 or 780? The floor always went over the cab mounting.

No guess again

Nekarsulm

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

No guess again

Massey 590 or similar.......?

Farmer Pudsey

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Massey 590 or similar.......?

5 seriers massey had a good enough body and only one side door. MF590 would be about 75-80HP anyway. Mine is 60ish.

Guess again

a postere

tanko wrote: »

You need to remember that there's lots of buyers on Donedeal with no sense either.

much more a case of people who like to pretend their utter shyte is worth something fantasise that there are and are willing to spend €3 on pretending it . . .

Nekarsulm

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

5 seriers massey had a good enough body and only one side door. MF590 would be about 75-80HP anyway. Mine is 60ish.

Guess again

OK last guess. Davey Brown 1290?