Jurgen Klopp: Where next?

CSF

Mr.H wrote: »

Pep wanted a young player that already knew his philosophy............. hardly different from Rodgers signing Allen, Moyes signing Fellani, Wenger signing Henry and so on. Managers sign young players from old clubs because they already had them playing their way.

He didnt sign Bale either but is he not as good as Thiago either?

but then I'm not one of the best coaches on the planet

All of whom are better players than Barkley to be fair.

How the hell did this thread become Barkley v Thiago?

Mr.H

CSF wrote: »

All of whom are better players than Barkley to be fair.

How the hell did this thread become Barkley v Thiago?

Because someone disregarded the rest of my post and tried to get a cheap laugh

Will I Amnt

Mr.H wrote: »

Because someone disregarded the rest of my post and tried to get a cheap laugh

I just wanted to be sure it definitely was Thiago Alcantara before I commented on it. When you post something like that it tends to stick out...

Mr.H

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I just wanted to be sure it definitely was Thiago Alcantara before I commented on it. When you post something like that it tends to stick out...

It was a big post with a lot of really good points

That comment was pure opinion and was obviously not meant to start a debate

TheDoc

City wouldn't tempt him, don't know why people are getting that link from. City are briefing they have zero intention of replacing Pellgerini. That might change if they slip out of top 4, but he will be there next season.

All the indication is City are eagerly awaiting Guardiolas contract to expire, and offer him the moon and stars to join them. Klopp isn't going to go there for a season. Also the City project is not enticing, a full rebuild job? Not sure he will want that.

I'd say Arsenal is potentialy where he will end up, but not likely next season, but the year after. I imagine he will take some time off to wait for the right opportunity, and it will be Arsenal or Germany. Depending on the situation, Barca could also be a viable option. Think everyone tunnel visioning on England a bit too much. I'd imagine when he made the comments about managing in England, it was with 1/2 clubs in mind. And those clubs weren't City or Chelsea.

Bobby Baccala

Fulham!

CSF

I do feel we're a little too guilty here of assuming we know the man better than we do. Associating him with Dortmund the club and the fans as one and assuming he would automatically gravitate to a similar club, when in reality, coming from Mainz, Dortmund was probably as attractive an option as he could have gotten, irrelevant of Dortmund's human qualities as a club. I don't think he was turning down bigger clubs because he was so enamoured with Dortmund.

If Real don't come knocking, it's far from implausible to suggest Man City would be the most attractive option he could get now.

Boskowski

I can't see him going to the likes of City, PSG or Real. Not only would he not want to go there but more importantly they wouldn't want him either. That'll be like Enda Kenny going to the Green Party. It just wouldn't fit.

I always thought his next appointment would be Germany. Of course the timing may be an issue on this one now.

I'd say City's next manager will be Pep. If Bayern go out on Tuesday he won't make it through the summer and he'd fit much better with City.

Klopp, well, I don't know. Someone said Newcastle and that doesn't seem crazy. The PL club that's sort of the English Dortmund is Liverpool but they'd be crazy to abandon the Rogers project at the first sight of bumpy road and I don't think they will. Arsenal maybe if Wenger made a decision similar to Klopp. But I can't see Arsenal making that move, it would have to come from Wenger. Only thing I'm pretty sure about is it won't be City or Real. Would never work and both parties would know that too.

Oranage2

I'd imagine City are a much better option than Liverpool. Unlimited funds with a clear expectation and a high wage vs the 5th biggest club in England in terms of financial power, probably 6th in attractiveness for new players and fans with delusional expectations. At this point a project club like Liverpool would be a step below Klopp, his stock might not be this high again and he needs to take advantage of it with a big move. Though I think Rodgers deserves at least one more season but he needs to get rid of the transfer committee and take 100 % responsibility for signings!

Ulysses Gaze

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'd imagine City are a much better option than Liverpool. Unlimited funds with a clear expectation and a high wage vs the 5th biggest club in England in terms of financial power, probably 6th in attractiveness for new players and fans with delusional expectations. At this point a project club like Liverpool would be a step below Klopp, his stock might not be this high again and he needs to take advantage of it with a big move. Though I think Rodgers deserves at least one more season but he needs to get rid of the transfer committee and take 100 % responsibility for signings!

City have unlimited funds but FFP will limit what they can spend to an extent.

token101

I don't think he'd be a good fit at City unless Soriano and Begiristain go which I doubt is going to happen.

OneEightSeven wrote: »

Alan Pardew will be heading to Anfield. Klopp is too big for Liverpool.

He's not. Liverpool are still a massive, underachieving club and he would go there in a heartbeat.

jonny666 wrote: »

If you have ambition and belief as a top a manger you don't manage Liverpool. You go to places where leagues and CLs will be won.

If he had that sort of belief, he'd back himself to bring back the glory days, particularly with owners who are clearly prepared to pump money into the club. If Rodgers goes this summer, he's favourite, no question.

I could see Rodgers leaving this summer, Klopp taking over at L'Pool and Rodgers heading to West Ham. Might throw a £1 double on that!

tritium

Rumours today linking him with Liverpool and even west ham.

Not sure what my thoughts on Klopp are. I don't know enough about the Bundeslige to know if there are extenuating circumstances for the season they've had. I'd maybe wonder if he might be suffering a bit from the Jack Charlton effect - looks like a world beater for a few seasons but gets found out when other managers cotton on to the key piece of his tactics and even incorporate it themselves sometimes...

CSF

Rumours are just that, rumours. Hes clearly not going to be the next West Ham manager

Ludo

CSF wrote: »

Rumours are just that, rumours. Hes clearly not going to be the next West Ham manager

I dunno about that. Maybe he fancies a "project". They are moving into the Olympic Stadium after next season etc so it would certainly be an interesting upcoming club with potential. Owners are spending money also. Prove himself and become a legend by getting into the CL.

Disclaimer: I am a West Ham fan so I "may" be dreaming :-)

tritium

CSF wrote: »

Rumours are just that, rumours. Hes clearly not going to be the next West Ham manager

And I never said he was. The point is more that there's a bit if touting going on. Whether its the press making up a good story, the club bigging themselves to other possible candidates or the man himself generating a bit of smoke.

I don't think anyone expects to see him at west jam, though stranger things have happened.....

CSF

tritium wrote: »

And I never said he was. The point is more that there's a bit if touting going on. Whether its the press making up a good story, the club bigging themselves to other possible candidates or the man himself generating a bit of smoke.

I don't think anyone expects to see him at west jam, though stranger things have happened.....

I'm just saying, he's gonna be linked with every club that have any kind of reason to suggest they may change managers.

The tabloids will write anything. They need no encouragement from club or manager. No snippet of truth required.

Oat23

Ludo wrote: »

Disclaimer: I am a West Ham fan so I "may" be dreaming :-)

Hallucinating, not dreaming :pac:

The Golden Miller

Can anyone actually see him or picture him coming to England? No. It ain't gonna happen. He is also gonna want to get out of Germany for a bit, and it won't be to Barca or Madrid either. The shrewd punter would put money on him heading to an Italian team. Could very well end up at Roma as Rudi Garcia has lost it altogether. Or Napoli, who have stagnated under Benitez, which was always gonna happen. I'll never understand why they hired him in the first place. I'd say Mancini will be given another year at Inter as Inter are retards, and they seem to love watching this one man continually run their club into the ground. And I'd say Milan will stay loyal to Inzaghi since he is a fan favorite. So it looks like Roma or Napoli. The fit would be perfect. The two clubs have massive ambitions which have yet to materialise, and they are getting desperate for it to happen soon, and going to one of these two moderately big clubs would let him perfectly put his own stamp on them to take them to the next level.

eagle eye

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Can anyone actually see him or picture him coming to England? No. It ain't gonna happen. He is also gonna want to get out of Germany for a bit, and it won't be to Barca or Madrid either. The shrewd punter would put money on him heading to an Italian team.

No, the smart money would be on him managing in the Premier league. He has already dropped numerous hints that he wants to work in the Premier league.

The Golden Miller

eagle eye wrote: »

No, the smart money would be on him managing in the Premier league. He has already dropped numerous hints that he wants to work in the Premier league.

To Liverpool or United. He ain't gonna get those jobs. Rodgers is in for the long haul, and Van Gaal is there for another few years too

MightyMandarin

The Golden Miller wrote: »

To Liverpool or United. He ain't gonna get those jobs. Rodgers is in for the long haul, and Van Gaal is there for another few years too

Really? I'm a liverpool fan and Rodgers is testing my patience, and I imagine John Henry's too. If he does poorly in the market this summer and we have another disastrous start next season, I wouldn't be surprised to see him gone.

The Golden Miller

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Really? I'm a liverpool fan and Rodgers is testing my patience, and I imagine John Henry's too. If he does poorly in the market this summer and we have another disastrous start next season, I wouldn't be surprised to see him gone.

Liverpool tend to make a point of giving a manager a good run despite how he is actually performing if he gets the fans on side at the start, to show how they are loyal and that you "will never walk alone". Hodgson was an exception and I don't think the fans ever really took to him. If Dalglish actually relegated them, the fans would still have been happy to support him, because for Liverpool fans, it seems to run deeper than just results (although I'm exaggerating with the relegation). I like that about Liverpool though.

MightyMandarin

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Liverpool tend to make a point of giving a manager a good run despite how he is actually performing if he gets the fans on side at the start, to show how they are loyal and that you "will never walk alone". Hodgson was an exception and I don't think the fans ever really took to him. If Dalglish actually relegated them, the fans would still have been happy to support him, because for Liverpool fans, it seems to run deeper than just results (although I'm exaggerating with the relegation). I like that about Liverpool though.

People thought United weren't 'a sacking club' until they sacked Moyes last year. Rodgers might get a chance in the next few months, despite this season being a total disaster. I still wouldn't be surprised to see Henry go for Klopp. He's a more experienced manager and has more experience in Europe and with top players.

The Golden Miller

MightyMandarin wrote: »

People thought United weren't 'a sacking club' until they sacked Moyes last year. Rodgers might get a chance in the next few months, despite this season being a total disaster. I still wouldn't be surprised to see Henry go for Klopp. He's a more experienced manager and has more experience in Europe and with top players.

Would you really like to see Rodgers go? He's picked it up lately after a terrible start to the season. If they could just put one season together with their form of late, they would go close to winning it. I think he needs to be given one more season. If he fails again, then ye, the door

MightyMandarin

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Would you really like to see Rodgers go? He's picked it up lately after a terrible start to the season. If they could just put one season together with their form of late, they would go close to winning it. I think he needs to be given one more season. If he fails again, then ye, the door

The problem is there's no accountability with the signings we made. This 'transfer committee' b*llocks means that we don't know who scouted or sanctioned the purchase of Lovren, Balotelli etc. It's clear Rodgers went after Sanchez, Mkhitaryan, Costa, Willian, Salah etc. and for whatever reason they didn't come, but we don't know if he really wanted Balotelli here. I think if he was given free reign over the transfer dealings then we could really assess his ability there, because he's shown with the likes of Sturridge and Coutinho that he has a good eye for some players.

I think if we manage to sign a top striker then our chances of top4 and a trophy will be much, much higher. We have a decent squad but not a great starting XI. If we spend millions in the summer and make another poor start, I think he'll be shown the door.

The Golden Miller

MightyMandarin wrote: »

The problem is there's no accountability with the signings we made. This 'transfer committee' b*llocks means that we don't know who scouted or sanctioned the purchase of Lovren, Balotelli etc. It's clear Rodgers went after Sanchez, Mkhitaryan, Costa, Willian, Salah etc. and for whatever reason they didn't come, but we don't know if he really wanted Balotelli here. I think if he was given free reign over the transfer dealings then we could really assess his ability there, because he's shown with the likes of Sturridge and Coutinho that he has a good eye for some players.

I think if we manage to sign a top striker then our chances of top4 and a trophy will be much, much higher. We have a decent squad but not a great starting XI. If we spend millions in the summer and make another poor start, I think he'll be shown the door.

Exactly. It's quite baffling. This has been a trend with Liverpool for some time now and still isn't getting addressed. I just don't understand what the powers that be in Liverpool are saying to each other when they are about to throw out big money on the likes of Charlie Adams etc. Shouldn't a club of their magnitude and history who are aspiring to be the best be asking themselves, is this guy at the level where he'll help us become one of the best teams in the world? Would he be getting on the Real Madrid team or would they even look twice at him? The dogs on the street could tell you the answer to both is no. But regardless, Liverpool fire ahead and spend big on these mediocre players regardless. And it's always an English player with a few good months of form, basically unproven over a long period. Since Benitez came, I'd love to see the figures are of the money they have actually thrown away. Over 500 million I'd say. It's astounding really

Harry Palmr

Rafa Honigstein apparently suggesting on TalkSport that if Liverpool came calling he'd not turn the club down. Also the Geordies seem to think he is interested today.

Will I Amnt

Speaking to people close to him in November, where it was already on the cards that he might move to England, it was understood he wanted to move to an established Champions League club," he told Hawksbee and Jacobs. "He’s also realistic enough to know that there aren’t that many likely offers from top four clubs coming in.

“At the same time, in so far as a emotional connection, and an ideal fit, Borussia Dortmund to Liverpool is the closest resemblance you can find. The fans are a huge part of the club, they also sing you’ll never walk alone. There’s a special kind of atmosphere in the city. It would be very hard for Jurgen Klopp to turn Liverpool down."


Read more at http://talksport.com/football/jurgen-klopp-would-find-it-very-hard-turn-liverpool-down-150429144976#jJAI6ZXyzSPeqmJp.99

Not much in that other than him assuming he would like to manage a similar club to Dortmund.

monkey9

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Not much in that other than him assuming he would like to manage a similar club to Dortmund.

I think Klopp has a genuine fondness and respect for Liverpool. I'm just basing this on stuff I have seen myself and read about.

I don't think it's outlandish to think he'd want to manage Liverpool.

Harry Palmr

and they sounded him out before hiring Rodgers (obviously he wasn't really available in 2012!)