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Did Real Madrid's Dani Carvajal bite Atletico Madrid's Mario Mandzukic?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,450 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    That is disgraceful behaviour. Carvajal should be banned for that, deserves the same punishment as somebody else who was discussed here recently.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    What is it with Madrid though? All joking aside about the one who wont be named. Madrid seem to always attract or at least recruit players that have less than a good moral stance on gamesmanship.

    They have some world class that have gone through that side but they also have some thugs.

    Varane has shown this year he is no angel but we have also seen Ramos, Pepe, Mourinho, Figo, Zidane and now Carvajal who have all been less than respectful to their fellow players. I know I am missing one or two more obvious players.

    There has also been a couple of other unsavory characters that have been linked with them. Which I find a bit rich when they came out and talked about their code of conduct contract a few years back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭NomadicGray


    Didn't think it looked like a bite, considering manduzkics flop from the hit he would have surely had a fit had he felt a bite


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    Absolute scummy behaviour and should be retrospectively banned. What does be going through a human being's head to think it's ok to bite someone? In a game of football? And then punch them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    Didn't think it looked like a bite, considering manduzkics flop from the hit he would have surely had a fit had he felt a bite

    It clearly was an attempt to bite him, he probably didn't get the grip he tried for and so punched him. Despicable carry on.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭circadian


    Had the game on in the background but it seems like Real were targeting Mandzukic and knocking him around a fair bit.

    Get the feeling this was a display of players frustration as Mandzukic wasn't for backing down.

    Terrible, cynical and dirty behaviour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Didn't see any bite in the video


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    22 seconds in

    Carvajal-bite.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭RasTa


    Mr.H wrote: »
    22 seconds in

    Carvajal-bite.jpg

    Nah, no bite there and the image is pointless. Look at the second clip in real time at 30 secs. He gets an arm in his face holding him off, slight swing and then gives him a dig in return.

    Handbags really


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Theres no evidence of any bite, his mouth looks closed and theres nothing coming out so far from Mandzukic or Atletico, its a non-story IMO.

    He did however throw a punch at him whihc he should be punished for.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭simonw


    Completely agree that if he had been bitten he would have called attention to it, nothing in it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,602 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    Mandzukic kept his arm in his face for a long time there, that'd have pissed me off. Don't think it's a bite tbh but that would have been the quickest way to cause Mandzukic harm so wouldn't rule it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    Mr.H wrote: »
    22 seconds in

    There's no way you can tell whether he's biting or not in that picture. It's the same in the video, inconclusive. With Mandzukic not saying anything and not showing the world bite marks on his arm, the evidence is very flimsy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    I don't know what you lads are looking at, it looks to me like he moves his head in towards the arm of Mandzukic, whether he actually got the bite in is debatable but it definitely looks like he tried to,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,262 ✭✭✭✭GavRedKing


    Mandzukic reacted like he'd being stabbed by Ramos earlier, had Carvajal bit him there he'd have gone over the edge all together, he had little to no reaction what so ever and theres nothing being made of this by anyone involved with Mandzukic or the club.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    I don't know what you lads are looking at, it looks to me like he moves his head in towards the arm of Mandzukic, whether he actually got the bite in is debatable but it definitely looks like he tried to,

    He does move his face into Mario's arm, but it's a bit of a leap to say he was trying to bite him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    Pro. F wrote: »
    He does move his face into Mario's arm, but it's a bit of a leap to say he was trying to bite him.

    A logical leap I'd have thought. What else would he be doing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,107 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    A logical leap I'd have thought. What else would he be doing?

    Gav's point is important though. He would have lost the plot if it happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    circadian wrote: »
    Had the game on in the background but it seems like Real were targeting Mandzukic and knocking him around a fair bit.

    Get the feeling this was a display of players frustration as Mandzukic wasn't for backing down.

    Terrible, cynical and dirty behaviour.

    Watching the game was different, Mandzukic was diving and playacting all night trying to get the opposition booked and was an utter embarrassment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭elefant


    Mandzukic was complaining about absolutely everything for the entire game. Non-stop. I'm struggling to remember a player whinge as much in a game as him last night. Considering this, I'm sure if he had been bitten his reaction would have been very, very obvious.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    to be fair its not 100% that he bit him. Very difficult to tell. But what shouldnt be lost in this debate is how dirty a team they are. That is something they should be called out on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    elefant wrote: »
    Mandzukic was complaining about absolutely everything for the entire game. Non-stop. I'm struggling to remember a player whinge as much in a game as him last night. Considering this, I'm sure if he had been bitten his reaction would have been very, very obvious.

    if I was punched and molested the way he was last night I would be fuming


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,954 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Wouldn't have previously had Carvajal pegged as the sort. Who knows though? Nothing conclusive but it defo looks like he might have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭elefant


    Mr.H wrote: »
    to be fair its not 100% that he bit him. Very difficult to tell. But what shouldnt be lost in this debate is how dirty a team they are. That is something they should be called out on

    I'd be the first to criticize Real Madrid, but if anything Athletico are worse. Their 'gamesmanship' is a huge part of what their game is based on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭elefant


    Mr.H wrote: »
    if I was punched and molested the way he was last night I would be fuming

    He was playing as a striker, and committed the most fouls of any player in champions league this season. Surprising he wasn't sent off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭NomadicGray


    It clearly was an attempt to bite him, he probably didn't get the grip he tried for and so punched him. Despicable carry on.

    It wasn't though


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Gav's point is important though. He would have lost the plot if it happened.

    I don't think he actually bit him but I do think he tried to and when he couldn't get a grip punched him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    It wasn't though

    His head chases the arm of Mandzukic, unless he was trying to lick him or wipe his runny nose then an attempt to bite seems a plausible explanation to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Handbags, who cares.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Mr.H wrote: »
    What is it with Madrid though? All joking aside about the one who wont be named. Madrid seem to always attract or at least recruit players that have less than a good moral stance on gamesmanship.

    They have some world class that have gone through that side but they also have some thugs.

    Varane has shown this year he is no angel but we have also seen Ramos, Pepe, Mourinho, Figo, Zidane and now Carvajal who have all been less than respectful to their fellow players. I know I am missing one or two more obvious players.

    There has also been a couple of other unsavory characters that have been linked with them. Which I find a bit rich when they came out and talked about their code of conduct contract a few years back

    They really should have gone for Suarez


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    CSF wrote: »
    defo ... might have.

    I definitely might have a million pounds.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,219 ✭✭✭✭Pro. F


    A logical leap I'd have thought. What else would he be doing?

    It wouldn't surprise me if it turned out he did try to bite him, or if he was just mushing his face into his arm for no useful reason. It looks like common enough type of movement of somebody who is wound up to me. He could have been just trying to push back against his arm, maybe to draw more contact and incite Mandzukic to lash out. A whole lot of agitated energy and a desire to cause a fight with Mandzukic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Handbags, who cares.

    Trying to bite somebody and then punching them, is not handbags. It's pathetic.

    You aren't more of a manly man for saying its handbags.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Kirby wrote: »
    Trying to bite somebody and then punching them, is not handbags. It's pathetic.

    You aren't more of a manly man for saying its handbags.

    Yeah it's pathetic, lumped in with all the petty kicking and pushing and diving commonplace in La Liga (and elite football generally). I just couldn't give a ****. In the grander scheme of things neither player was injured or hurt so no harm, no foul imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,465 ✭✭✭SM01


    Inconclusive from that footage / still. Can't say for definite either way so I'd presume innocence.


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  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,774 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick



    And for those of us that don't speak Spanish?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito





    Ah, I see , great.



    I dont see. Cant speak a word of Spanish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭dmc17


    gimmick wrote: »
    And for those of us that don't speak Spanish?

    My Spanish wouldn't be the best but I'll give it a shot...

    "I awoke this morning only to notice that a large portion of my forearm was missing. There appeared what looked like teeth marks around the missing portion. The only logical explanation is that I must have bitten it off whilst sleeping"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Mandzukic said there was no bite.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,694 ✭✭✭BMJD


    What does be going through a human being's head to think it's ok to bite someone?
    extreme hunger I'd say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,450 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    GavRedKing wrote: »
    Mandzukic reacted like he'd being stabbed by Ramos earlier, had Carvajal bit him there he'd have gone over the edge all together, he had little to no reaction what so ever and theres nothing being made of this by anyone involved with Mandzukic or the club.
    He was pumping blood after the incident with Ramos so I'm not so sure his reaction was that bad in hindsight. It didn't look that bad on tv, I didn't think there was anything in it but when I seen the blood I was wondering if the camera angles had fooled us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    no foul imo.

    You'd be screaming for a red if if that happend to a Liverpool player. Can't just punch somebody on a pitch and expect to no punishment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    If Mandzukic was bitten we'd have definitely known about it. Possibility there was contact with the arm and teeth but think a lot of that is due to the height difference, Mandzukic is a big guy and towers over Carvajal, if I had to guess I'd say it's a bit of tussling, both men pushing the boundaries and Carvajal comes off worse so lashes out with a punch. Probably should've been a red in the game but very harmless stuff in the grand scheme. Happens all the time in the lower levels of football.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    You'd be screaming for a red if if that happend to a Liverpool player. Can't just punch somebody on a pitch and expect to no punishment.

    Yeah but nobody was hurt so it's grand. Let's do away with attempted murder while we're at it.
    "I did fire the gun your honour, but I missed, can I go home now?"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    You'd be screaming for a red if if that happend to a Liverpool player. Can't just punch somebody on a pitch and expect to no punishment.

    'No harm, no foul' is an expression. Essentially he gave him a light tap in the midriff and Mandzukic theatrically fell over like he'd been shot. If the ref sees it, sure - red card / no complaints. But he missed it and it's a non incident in the grander scheme of things. Not worth getting excited over imo.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Potentially leg breaking tackles are much worse than this tbh.

    Bad form and deserving of a ban obviously.


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,774 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    gimmick wrote: »
    And for those of us that don't speak Spanish?

    Sorry, I thought I'd posted a translation but it's roughly, "Good morning! Yesterday's match was very hard and both teams gave everything, but for me there was no controversy, no bite, no nothing."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Fair play to him, good attitude. Some posters in this thread could take a cue from him.


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