Missing irish girl in Scotland Karen Buckley

lukesmom

Her poor parents. Only read about it yesterday but it doesn't look good

http://m.rte.ie/news/2015/0414/693967-karen-buckley/

DavidRamsay99

She apparently was seen talking to a guy on CCTV near the Sanctuary on Dumbarton Road, went back to a guy's flat on Dorchester Ave where they were intimate and then was last seen walking back to the city center at 4am because she didn't like to take cabs.
She's missing for more than 48 hours so this doesn't look good.

lukesmom

Yes and the fact that they have found her handbag in a nearby park hope to God her parents get the strength to cope with whatever the outcome.

Laois_Man

The head cop at the press conference wouldn't exactly inspire confidence in you!

Yer man who she was seen talking to on CCTV and who then brought her back to his place by car was traced, he didn't come forward

She preferred to walk in the dark rather than take a taxi or take another lift from him or even wait another couple of hours before leaving

Her handbag has been found in a park near his gaff

She supposedly spent 3 hours with this fella without texting or phoning anyone in all that time, even though she had walked out of the nightclub, sober and would have known her friends would be worried.

All very odd.

Fr_Dougal

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

She apparently was seen talking to a guy on CCTV near the Sanctuary on Dumbarton Road, went back to a guy's flat on Dorchester Ave where they were intimate and then was last seen walking back to the city center at 4am because she didn't like to take cabs.
She's missing for more than 48 hours so this doesn't look good.

No, she hasn't been heard from since she 'left' the guys house at 4am. Very suspect.

lukesmom

Laois_Man wrote: »

The head cop at the press conference wouldn't exactly inspire confidence in you!

Yer man who she was seen talking to on CCTV and who then brought her back to his place by car was traced, he didn't come forward

She preferred to walk in the dark rather than take a taxi or take another lift from him or even wait another couple of hours before leaving

Her handbag has been found in a park near his gaff

She supposedly spent 3 hours with this fella without texting or phoning anyone in all that time, even though she had walked out of the nightclub, sober and would have known her friends would be worried.

All very odd.

Yes and she left the club without her coat.

arayess

But cops have seen cctv and they report she went back willingly. I think it's too early to judge the police.
Kinda odd she forgot her coat and didn't tell her pals she was going but with drink taken maybe she didn't think of it.


Hope she is found safe and well.

Menas

I do hope she is found well....and that we dont see to any tabloidish speculation on what may have happened. Terrible time that the family are going thru now.

irishfeen

Didn't know this girl personally but recognise her from around Mallow and lots of my friend know her well, she was in the same year as me at the other school in town... god I hope she is found well - it must be hell for her family

A Dub in Glasgo

About 15 police are currently searching the park, does not look good at all

Menas

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

About 15 police are currently searching the park, does not look good at all

Is the case getting much coverage over there?

Pumpkinseeds

Seems very odd that she told her friends that she was going to the toilet and then left the club without her coat and without telling them that she was leaving. It doesn't make sense that she'd lie about going to the toilet if she was planning on leaving the club

A Dub in Glasgo

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Is the case getting much coverage over there?

Yes, since yesterday. Led the local news on STV and presumably on BBC1 Scotland. It is also the 2nd item on ITN News. The news papers have been covering extensively

This is a terrible situation that does not look it will end well

Edit: Quite prominent in the main broadsheet in Scotland

PressRun

I saw an article about this posted on Facebook yesterday. A girl commented underneath it saying that she was from the area and that she had encountered a strange man trying to get girls to get into a car with him while on a night out with friends. I wonder if it's connected. She said she was reporting it to the police. Really hoping for the best though and that it's not some creep.

LorMal

God Bless Her and her poor family

Hitchens

I thought of that basterd in Australia straightaway, I hope I'm wrong

wdmfapq4zs83hv

Has a real feel of the Jill Meagher case about it. Hope Im wrong.

Laois_Man

One of the troubling things also is, if you know your Glasgow geography, if she was leaving the guys gaff in Dorchester Ave to walk home to Hill street, she wouldn't have been walking past Dawsholm Park where her bag was found. The only reason she would have gone towards Dawsholm Park would have been to get on the subway from Kelvinsdale station but the trains don't go anywhere around 4am sort of time. Probably not a bus either

Also, while she would have crossed one bridge over the river Kelvin, she wouldn't have been following a track parallel to it or anything where she could have easily fallen in. But they are searching the river Kelvin now!

JONJO THE MISER

Sniffer dogs and a incident truck now on scene, doesnt look good, hope im wrong.

Hachiko

Glasgow is a pitful dump, was there a few times.

Hope she is found but it doesnt bode well the fact she has not contacted anyone.

A Dub in Glasgo

Laois_Man wrote: »

One of the troubling things also is, if you know your Glasgow geography, if she was leaving the guys gaff in Dorchester Ave to walk home to Hill street, she wouldn't have been walking past Dawsholm Park where her bag was found. The only reason she would have gone towards Dawsholm Park would have been to get on the subway from Kelvinsdale station but the trains don't go anywhere around 4am sort of time. Probably not a bus either

Also, while she would have crossed one bridge over the river Kelvin, she wouldn't have been following a track parallel to it or anything where she could have easily fallen in. But they are searching the river Kelvin now!

Makes no sense why anyone would leave a place at 4am on a Sunday morning to walk home - no trains, subway or buses. Walk to Great Western Road and flag a black cab if you are afraid of private hire cabs

Edit: If I remember correctly, it was lashing rain during the night

A Dub in Glasgo

Hachiko wrote: »

Glasgow is a pitful dump

No it is not

Lisha

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Sniffer dogs and a incident truck now on scene, doesnt look good, hope im wrong.

I think we all hope so.

whiskeyman

I reckon the cops know more than they've released.
The latest on info of a silver car is odd.
doesn't look good at all.
poor family and friends

beks101

I don't understand how this guy is not being called a suspect. What rules him out as a suspect?

Hachiko

She could have been drunk, what was she thinking of leaving a place at 4am. (over an hour to walk home??) Not to contact her friends is strange.

And Glasgow is a dump, when I last heard it had one of the worst crime rates, loads of unemployment and general unwanted types about and after a few visits my opinion would not change. I would not head out there myself on a night out.

back on topic, I hope some good news comes out of this.

The Backwards Man

beks101 wrote: »

I don't understand how this guy is not being called a suspect. What rules him out as a suspect?

I'd imagine he probably is a suspect, but I've seen the Polis do it that way before. They don't identify people as suspects until they have something concrete to suspect them of.

micar

whiskeyman wrote: »

I reckon the cops know more than they've released.
The latest on info of a silver car is odd.
doesn't look good at all.
poor family and friends

The poor thing!!!

The longer it goes on the less likely there will be for a good outcome.

What is the significance of the grey car? why is there a focus on its movement from 11am to 3pm on Monday Monday?

razorblunt

Not looking god, but heavens above, what possessed her to walk out the door at 4am?

Bobby Baccala

razorblunt wrote: »

Not looking god, but heavens above, what possessed her to walk out the door at 4am?

Maybe she got a bad feeling about the bloke she went home with and decided to split.

The weirdest part I find is her leaving the club without telling her mates

A Dub in Glasgo

The 4am account is from the chap with no corroboration so far

Laois_Man

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

The 4am account is from the chap with no corroboration so far

Exactly

Nobody would feel safer walking 5K home at 4am than they would getting a taxi there!

Then again, the fact that she voluntarily left the nightclub without telling anyone suggests something erratic was going on with her.

SpaceSasqwatch

beks101 wrote: »

I don't understand how this guy is not being called a suspect. What rules him out as a suspect?

maybe he has an alibi?

Streetwalker

Hachiko wrote: »

Glasgow is a pitful dump, was there a few times.

Hope she is found but it doesnt bode well the fact she has not contacted anyone.

So you where "there a few times" and that makes you an expert? Such BS

Hope the girl is found alive and well.

Atlantic Dawn

beks101 wrote: »

I don't understand how this guy is not being called a suspect. What rules him out as a suspect?

No crime has yet been committed, they are unlikely to make any move on him until they have evidence that any foul play has occurred.

dixiefly

SpaceSasqwatch wrote: »

maybe he has an alibi?

Or would there be cctv corroborating the story regarding her leaving at 4am?

I really feel for the family and her of course. What a call to get from Scotland.

SpaceSasqwatch

dixiefly wrote: »

Or would there be cctv corroborating the story regarding her leaving at 4am?

sorry thought the first guy got cleared due to his alibi? or am i missing something? a 2nd arrest?

Lia_lia

Poor girl, and her family! I am just back from Glasgow tonight, was there for the past week for work. Anytime I saw anyone that resembled her I had to look twice. Also made sure to get a taxi back to my hotel last night even though it was a 5 minute walk.

I actually really like Glasgow, didn't see it as a "dump" at all. Lovely city. Really nice people and I felt more safe than I do at home in Cork tbh. Until this happened. But these things can happen anywhere.

A Dub in Glasgo

SpaceSasqwatch wrote: »

sorry thought the first guy got cleared due to his alibi? or am i missing something? a 2nd arrest?

Nobody has been arrested. The police traced the guy who Karen met at the nightclub, they spoke to him and he said they walked to Church Street (a shot distance away) and they got into his car to his flat in Dorchester Avenue. She spent a few hours there and left to walk back to the City Centre at 4am.

Strazdas

Laois_Man wrote: »

Exactly

Nobody would feel safer walking 5K home at 4am than they would getting a taxi there!

Then again, the fact that she voluntarily left the nightclub without telling anyone suggests something erratic was going on with her.

Yes, I was thinking that myself listening to the accounts today. She left the nightclub with a man she had only just met and without even telling her friends and apparently went back to his house for an intimate encounter. She then left his house at 4am and went wandering off into the night.....sounds like the poor girl was behaving very erratically.

seventeen sheep

Strazdas wrote: »

Yes, I was thinking that myself listening to the accounts today. She left the nightclub with a man she had only just met and without even telling her friends and apparently went back to his house for an intimate encounter. She then left his house at 4am and went wandering off into the night.....sounds like the poor girl was behaving very erratically.

Ah now, sounds like an average college student on a night out.

If a guy had done similar, few people would be judging him on erratic behaviour.

spockety

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Nobody has been arrested. The police traced the guy who Karen met at the nightclub, they spoke to him and he said they walked to Church Street (a shot distance away) and they got into his car to his flat in Dorchester Avenue. She spent a few hours there and left to walk back to the City Centre at 4am.

I wonder if it will turn out that he drives a silver car..

The Black Oil

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'd imagine he probably is a suspect, but I've seen the Polis do it that way before. They don't identify people as suspects until they have something concrete to suspect them of.

It might sound like (armchair detective) police speak for he's on their radar. If you remember the tragic case of the 3 year old boy who went missing in Scotland, the police briefings, even before he was found, almost always stated his mother was being 'very co-operative'. It sounds bad, I thought that was very telling at the time.

Hopefully there is a different outcome here.

A Dub in Glasgo

spockety wrote: »

I wonder if it will turn out that he drives a silver car..

Was thinking that myself earlier

tinpib

spockety wrote: »

I wonder if it will turn out that he drives a silver car..

Yep, kinda what I was thinking.

LynnGrace

I felt for the poor parents, at the press conference. Like others, I can't help thinking of the Jill Meagher case. Poor lass, I hope she will be found, though it seems unlikely, unfortunately.

retro:electro

The poor girl is all I can say. What possessed her to leave his house at 4am? It just doesnt make sense, unless she has a bad feeling about him? It crossed my mind also that it may come out that he has a silver car. If you put the pieces together it doesn't look good.

Hitchens

Speaking at a press conference today, Detective Superintendent Jim Kerr, the officer leading the enquiry said:

“As I said this is a missing person enquiry, however, we are gravely concerned that Karen has come to some harm - whether that is due to foul play/criminality or she has taken unwell or had an accident is obviously still to be established.


That is a standard police statement and hopefully she'll be found safe

Diemos

There something more to this, look at the language used from a very early stage and the high level of police activity again from an early stage.
Even her parents language at the press conference, it's not "Karen come home" it's "if you have any information relating to Karen's whereabouts."
I hope I'm wrong but I don't think this will have a happy ending.

Laois_Man

seventeen sheep wrote: »

Ah now, sounds like an average college student on a night out.

If a guy had done similar, few people would be judging him on erratic behaviour.

But she's not a guy and when it's out of character as we're told, then it's erratic behavior!

hotmail.com

Laois_Man wrote: »

But she's not a guy and when it's out of character as we're told, then it's erratic behavior!

Out of character then suggests she was interfered with.

Some people focus on the victim's behaviour rather than the perpetrator which I find bizarre.

Anyway, I hope there is a happy outcome.