Dog's poop in our estate. Every day.

Seamus1964

People from other estates walking their dogs through our estate off the lead free to go anywhere they want. Green area where kids play (aka. dog toilet) is full of poo - dog owners don't give a damn about their dogs excrement.
Is there any signpost we can put up like " No dogs allowed in estate " or similar?

SpaceTime

You should call the litter warden's office and discuss options. It's illegal to cause dog fouling and it comes with a fine.

punisher5112

Council have signs they can put up but these people wont be bothered to be honest.

As said call or email and take pictures as proof to send.

kylith

I don't know could you ban dogs entirely. What about people living in the estate who have dogs?

Seamus1964

True...
So seems we should set up estate CCTV or something (to get proof). CCTV could benefit for other things also like speeding in estate I guess.

Satori Rae

Seamus1964 wrote: »

People from other estates walking their dogs through our estate off the lead free to go anywhere they want. Green area where kids play (aka. dog toilet) is full of poo - dog owners don't give a damn about their dogs excrement.
Is there any signpost we can put up like " No dogs allowed in estate " or similar?

I am pretty sure you would have to call your local council and they will assign someone to come out and put up signs around your green. Should be easy to google the number for them online .

Frigga_92

Seamus1964 wrote: »

People from other estates walking their dogs through our estate off the lead free to go anywhere they want. Green area where kids play (aka. dog toilet) is full of poo - dog owners don't give a damn about their dogs excrement.
Is there any signpost we can put up like " No dogs allowed in estate " or similar?

I don't think you are entitled to erect any signage like that nor ban dogs from your estate. You must consult your local Council, that is their responsibility.

Probably best to obtain evidence to support your complaint to your local Council and just keep on top of them until they do something about it.
I doubt they will put up "no dogs allowed" signs but they may put up signs indicating fines for dog fouling and may install more bins in the area.

tk123

Seamus1964 wrote: »

True...
So seems we should set up estate CCTV or something (to get proof). CCTV could benefit for other things also like speeding in estate I guess.

A dash cam might be a cheaper/quicker solution if you or any of the neighbours had one I know exactly how you feel - every day I'm dodging poo - often while carrying 1-2 bags from my own dogs! :mad: What I'd like is a sign that shows the nearest bins - there's a little green I walk in sometimes that's littered with poo - there's 5 bins in a 5 minute radius of the green so no excuse! :mad:

punisher5112

See a lot lately bag the crap but still just throw on the ground.

It's so much easier having a dog that goes toilet before they go on a walk.

Mine will go out back when they know going on a walk and then tell me by sitting if they don't need to go.

borderlinemeath

punisher5112 wrote: »

See a lot lately bag the crap but still just throw on the ground.

It's so much easier having a dog that goes toilet before they go on a walk.

Mine will go out back when they know going on a walk and then tell me by sitting if they don't need to go.

But dogs communicate by defacating, even when it's picked up and bagged their scent is left for the next dog to tell them that they're about. I do know a couple of dogs that are odd about not going when they walk but they're not very well socialised with other dogs. What is yours like with others?

punisher5112

borderlinemeath wrote: »

But dogs communicate by defacating, even when it's picked up and bagged their scent is left for the next dog to tell them that they're about. I do know a couple of dogs that are odd about not going when they walk but they're not very well socialised with other dogs. What is yours like with others?

I trained them to do as I said took a while but they copped on to it.

borderlinemeath

punisher5112 wrote: »

I trained them to do as I said took a while but they copped on to it.

Do they wee even?

I dunno, I think I'd rather let my dogs be dogs and communicate with their own kind and bring a roll of poo bags with me rather than train them into being a toilet robot

Thankfully mine tend to go fairly soon after we reach our walking destination and there's a bin close by so I can hang around til there's action. Worst case scenario there's bins at the other end for dumping the bags. I hate seeing the bags scattered around the place, you can be guaranteed the people that dump the bags don't buy the decent biodegrable ones either!

cerastes

Seamus1964 wrote: »

True...
So seems we should set up estate CCTV or something (to get proof). CCTV could benefit for other things also like speeding in estate I guess.

Get a camera and put it in the persons face and take a snap of the dog whether on their own or not, if owner present tell them to stop letting their dog do that, clean it up now, and stay away if they dont leave nearby, if the dog is on its own, it will hardly pay heed to signs! how about call the dog warden or contain the dog if possible and hand it over?

People are just ****es themselves, we also have a speeding problem, but thankfully not too many loose dogs, but Ive noticed a few, on the other hand, my dog took a pishhh and I was getting dirty looks off some nearby neighbours although it was clear no evidence of excrement, she even squats differently when doing one or the other, I know, they dont, but unless I put her in a nappy not much I can do about that.

I just saw a dog opposite our house today, just off the leash, took a dump in the grass, no owner in sight, I was tempted to encourage it to stay and hand it over to a warden.

punisher5112 wrote: »

See a lot lately bag the crap but still just throw on the ground.

It's so much easier having a dog that goes toilet before they go on a walk.

Mine will go out back when they know going on a walk and then tell me by sitting if they don't need to go.

I let my dog do or try do its business before heading out last week, needless to say, once out she still wanted to go
Nor was it solid as it usually is???? cleaned it up, the thing was, it was not a park I frequented usually, I noticed the place was littered with dog crap, so obviously most dog owners just let their animals foul the park, not really inclined to visit the place again, its the kind of thing that would lead to and justifiably warrant banning dogs and their owners from the place.

Rightwing

Seamus1964 wrote: »

People from other estates walking their dogs through our estate off the lead free to go anywhere they want. Green area where kids play (aka. dog toilet) is full of poo - dog owners don't give a damn about their dogs excrement.
Is there any signpost we can put up like " No dogs allowed in estate " or similar?

A lot of people mistake dog poo for cat poo.

punisher5112

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Do they wee even?

I dunno, I think I'd rather let my dogs be dogs and communicate with their own kind and bring a roll of poo bags with me rather than train them into being a toilet robot

Thankfully mine tend to go fairly soon after we reach our walking destination and there's a bin close by so I can hang around til there's action. Worst case scenario there's bins at the other end for dumping the bags. I hate seeing the bags scattered around the place, you can be guaranteed the people that dump the bags don't buy the decent biodegrable ones either!

Ah yeah pee anywhere Im not that bad they actually think it's a game and are so over excited about going out they are happy enough saves me ever having to pick up the crap as it was so annoying but now no need :pac:

seamus

Seamus1964 wrote: »

Is there any signpost we can put up like " No dogs allowed in estate " or similar?

Only if it's a gated estate entirely under control of the management company.

Even then you would have very little recourse against anyone bringing a dog in except to ask them to leave.

If there is a management company in place, I think it would be worth arranging to have bins put up specifically for dog **** if this is a problem. The same kinds of ones you see along the public beaches and parks.

A large part of the problem of dog poop is pure laziness and inertia. People can't be bothered picking it up and going to find a bin. If there's a bin right beside them, they'll be more inclined to do it. You can follow this up with enforcement; put up cameras in the hotspots to identify and fine the repeat offenders.

We have an issue in parts of our estate with dog ****, but I know for a fact that 3 or 4 owners are responsible for 90% of it. Dogs crap every day, often twice a day. Over the course of a couple of weeks that becomes a lot of **** on the path.

Rubberchikken

i don't know if it's still done, but years ago i trained puppies for the guide dogs for the blind, and they would be trained to 'get busy' in the back garden before leaving for their walk. made sense for future owners i guess.

op contact council. they will put up signs about dog fouling/fines etc and maybe even a bin.

i live in a large town and there are two doggy poo bins that i know of. only two:( council needs to realise that if the facility is there more people might avail of it.

i always clean up after my little dog, it's only fair:)

cocker5

seamus wrote: »

Only if it's a gated estate entirely under control of the management company.

Even then you would have very little recourse against anyone bringing a dog in except to ask them to leave.

If there is a management company in place, I think it would be worth arranging to have bins put up specifically for dog **** if this is a problem. The same kinds of ones you see along the public beaches and parks.

A large part of the problem of dog poop is pure laziness and inertia. People can't be bothered picking it up and going to find a bin. If there's a bin right beside them, they'll be more inclined to do it. You can follow this up with enforcement; put up cameras in the hotspots to identify and fine the repeat offenders.

We have an issue in parts of our estate with dog ****, but I know for a fact that 3 or 4 owners are responsible for 90% of it. Dogs crap every day, often twice a day. Over the course of a couple of weeks that becomes a lot of **** on the path.

Even if its gated, if it is full of private homes you still cannot ban dogs from an estate. Unless its an apartment block and its states in the deeds otherwise you cannot.

people who live in a gated housing estate are entitled to own dogs if they wish... unless its stated in the deeds of the house (which im sure would never be the case).

Either way Op i can sympathise, i have a dog, always pick up after him (and so i should).. and he is always on lead (as he should be) ...where i live you have 3/4 neighbours who let their dogs out for a "walk" every day for 3/4 hours unattended... crapping everywhere no doubt ... what i find is funny is their dogs are crapping all over the greens THEIR kids use !! hilarious...

Ignorance.. thats it plain and simple... they couldn't care less one way or the other... im sorry to say I doubt a few signs will stop them (in my area anyway)...

My other neighbours have two kittens (6 months or so) they just went off for 5 nights and left the kittens outside???? they were literally screaming for the last 4 nights (i did feed them).. but same thing ignorance....

BabysCoffee

Take pics of the offenders and stick the photos up on lampposts. Anyone who is tempted to not pick up may be deterred by this.

seamus

cocker5 wrote: »

Even if its gated, if it is full of private homes you still cannot ban dogs from an estate. Unless its an apartment block and its states in the deeds otherwise you cannot.

people who live in a gated housing estate are entitled to own dogs if they wish... unless its stated in the deeds of the house (which im sure would never be the case).

Private estates typically have house rules which cover both apartments (in leasehold agreements) and houses - at least the conduct of house owners on the common areas.

House rules could state that dogs are not permitted in the estate. You couldn't prevent house owners from having a dog in their home, but you could prevent them from being allowed to walk a dog out in the common areas.

House rules can be changed if a majority of owners approve it at a general meeting.

You're right, it would be quite difficult for a management company to get consensus on this rule, but I've heard of places where they've tried to ban dog walking in the estate.

cocker5

seamus wrote: »

Private estates typically have house rules which cover both apartments (in leasehold agreements) and houses - at least the conduct of house owners on the common areas.

House rules could state that dogs are not permitted in the estate. You couldn't prevent house owners from having a dog in their home, but you could prevent them from being allowed to walk a dog out in the common areas.

House rules can be changed if a majority of owners approve it at a general meeting.

You're right, it would be quite difficult for a management company to get consensus on this rule, but I've heard of places where they've tried to ban dog walking in the estate.

I just cant see it if Im honest... you buy a private house in an estate that happens to be gated etc.. they can include a dog exclusion clause kinda thing? i just cant see it im sorry. in an apartment complex then yes i can see why / how this would come about as its more communal living etc... a private house is not. anyway that's just my opinion. I know lots of people who live in a complex (all private) with both houses and apartments all under the same management company and they are different sets of rules etc as it different living conditions etc

Next thing they would try telling people how many children they can have per house / unit size... its crazy.

cerastes

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i don't know if it's still done, but years ago i trained puppies for the guide dogs for the blind, and they would be trained to 'get busy' in the back garden before leaving for their walk. made sense for future owners i guess.

op contact council. they will put up signs about dog fouling/fines etc and maybe even a bin.

i live in a large town and there are two doggy poo bins that i know of. only two:( council needs to realise that if the facility is there more people might avail of it.

i always clean up after my little dog, it's only fair:)

I think the councils have removed a lot of bins and really, Id suggest dog waste bins should really only need to be provided at known scenic spots where people might be expected to walk their dogs and not just in every town, but really as a dog owner, I see no obligation on them to provide specific dog waste bins? Id be happy if they provided and emptied standard waste bins and if thats all that is available, tied up tightly inside a couple of bags should contain it till the standard bin gets emptied.

The onus of responsibility lies with the owner, in my experience from what Ive seen, if someone wont pick up their dogs waste because they cant locate or there isnt a dog waste bin, they probably wont do it anyway, otherwise it would mean picking it up and carrying it to the bin, cant expect a bin to be everywhere a dog poos?
It will either be an unused facility or misused for other waste, I go prepared expecting I may have to cart the stuff home, so double or triple bag the stuff, bring disposable gloves, and for instances where it isnt so easy to clean up have considered bringing a small bag of sand to pour onto any remnants that cant be collected.

On a side note, had reason to visit Deerpark recently, though it would be a nice place, havent seen so much dog crap since the eighties taking a walk up and down Bray. I dont think many people go out of their way to walk their dogs from outside the area, so I suspect the majority is from locally kept dogs, pretty disgraceful.